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The Worst Thing About Avengers: Age of Ultron is Ultron (Spoilers)
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George Oscar Bluth II
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Art book is out in Hong Kong.
Pai Pai Master
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It would be fine down the line or in an unrelated movie. Like say he ends up in space as the villain in GOTG3 or something.
Until they're done with Thanos though there's no reason to bring back Ultron or any other past villains like Red Skull or Abomination.
Deified Data
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I wouldn't say that. Loki is consistently great (IMO). Redford was undeniably effective in Winter Soldier. And I thought Ultron was cool for what they had to work with. That said you're not totally off mark, the villains are definitely a weakness of the movies. Red Skull especially felt squandered. The Iron Man films have never had a memorable villain.
SoulUnison
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Yep, Ultron was really weak and confusing as a villain that we're supposed to believe is a ruthlessly efficient, hyper intelligent AI blueprinted and powered by an artifact as old as the universe that contains the pure essence of intelligence.
You know how Batman has a perfect plan to take down every League member, should the need arise, but (besides that one time,) it's ok because Bruce's always good so nobody has to worry. Ultron's supposed to be like that to the Avengers, except there's no question that he's completely not on their side and he'll exploit every advantage he has, knows or can create.
Here his plan is constantly apparently "I'll take down the Avengers with waves of minions!"
He's effectively immortal because of his ability to connect to the internet and other technology and leave countless copies and traces of himself everywhere, but he apparently only puts any of himself into the super obvious shambling Ultron bots, and when the other team takes the *most obvious possible* first step of shutting him out from spreading himself, he acts *legitimately surprised* and throws an "Well I don't even care!" temper tantrum.
He didn't think to leave a backup of himself somewhere *before* dragging himself and *all* his clones to what was about to become a massive crater in the ground? With his supposed intellect and abilities the second he was conscious and had a connection to the internet that should have been, basically, an *instant global victory condition.* How do you come back from an essentially omnipresent, hostile technology that's basically *become* technology itself? I mean, it's comics, so they'd probably make some sort of anti-Ultron anti-virus that could run on everything from a pocket calculator up, but still...
Even Ultron didn't seem to completely know what he was doing as he went. He kidnaps Widow and then just...sorta leaves her to hang out or get rescued and help destroy him or, y'know, whatever. Even if he took her as some sort of back-up bait/motivation for the Avengers to show up at his floating-meteor-city, why not just*actually* kill her once the others were definitely there/on their way? Why literally leave her healthy and defenseless *in his (at least one of his) lairs* so that the worst person possible for a solo stealth search & rescue mission (Banner) can literally just casually walk in and walk out with her?
All of this is compounded for me by the way that, earlier in the movie, Ultron tries to lampshade "Super Villain Monologues" and look like the clever, pragmatic evil do'er, ("Oh I'm so glad you asked because I really wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan!") but then he doesn't actually *do* any clever villainy and even GOES ON to *repeatedly* "explain his evil plan."
His final line is even lashing out at another character for being "naive." Really?
You know how Batman has a perfect plan to take down every League member, should the need arise, but (besides that one time,) it's ok because Bruce's always good so nobody has to worry. Ultron's supposed to be like that to the Avengers, except there's no question that he's completely not on their side and he'll exploit every advantage he has, knows or can create.
Here his plan is constantly apparently "I'll take down the Avengers with waves of minions!"
He's effectively immortal because of his ability to connect to the internet and other technology and leave countless copies and traces of himself everywhere, but he apparently only puts any of himself into the super obvious shambling Ultron bots, and when the other team takes the *most obvious possible* first step of shutting him out from spreading himself, he acts *legitimately surprised* and throws an "Well I don't even care!" temper tantrum.
He didn't think to leave a backup of himself somewhere *before* dragging himself and *all* his clones to what was about to become a massive crater in the ground? With his supposed intellect and abilities the second he was conscious and had a connection to the internet that should have been, basically, an *instant global victory condition.* How do you come back from an essentially omnipresent, hostile technology that's basically *become* technology itself? I mean, it's comics, so they'd probably make some sort of anti-Ultron anti-virus that could run on everything from a pocket calculator up, but still...
Even Ultron didn't seem to completely know what he was doing as he went. He kidnaps Widow and then just...sorta leaves her to hang out or get rescued and help destroy him or, y'know, whatever. Even if he took her as some sort of back-up bait/motivation for the Avengers to show up at his floating-meteor-city, why not just*actually* kill her once the others were definitely there/on their way? Why literally leave her healthy and defenseless *in his (at least one of his) lairs* so that the worst person possible for a solo stealth search & rescue mission (Banner) can literally just casually walk in and walk out with her?
All of this is compounded for me by the way that, earlier in the movie, Ultron tries to lampshade "Super Villain Monologues" and look like the clever, pragmatic evil do'er, ("Oh I'm so glad you asked because I really wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan!") but then he doesn't actually *do* any clever villainy and even GOES ON to *repeatedly* "explain his evil plan."
His final line is even lashing out at another character for being "naive." Really?
I agree, he wasn't nearly menacing enough. His humor wasn't that big of an issue, since he's basically created by Stark but his actions throughout the movie just made him fall in line with every other disposable enemy that's been in the MCU. Kinda surprised that Loki is still on top
Pai Pai Master
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He blatantly admits that he only kidnapped Nat so he could have someone to talk to.
SoulUnison
Banned
But she's still an Avenger. The group who are at the *very top* of his kill list. He was practically *born* wanting these specific people dead and he just leaves her alone and *completely* unharmed to be rescued, turn around and help to foil his big evil scheme and apparently kill him.
James Spader's voice keeps saying "I'm a serious threat" but Ultron keeps *doing,* like, every weird counter-intuitive thing he can think of like it's a nervous tic, or something.
She's bait and he wants her to bring the team to him.
Lil'DigiOp
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This kind of bothered me too. I mean, he straight up abandons her to start his plot.... No protection, no nothing..
Didn't anyone else feel a little disappointed with Ultron's portrayal? Here I was, reading the comics and reading Ultrons backstory and what he's done, expecting a seriously kickass movie.... and they gave us cardboard cutout Ultron.
He never really fucked shit up, he never really seem unstoppable...
SoulUnison
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FunkyMunkey
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I thought Ultron was a rather weak and humorous villain as well until we're shown his master plan to wipe out all life on earth using a giant city-man-made-asteroid. Pretty metal and made me appreciate his genius. Also, he was supposed to have flaws. Not killing BW immediately and leaving her there for company, tell SW "Please... don't do this" in almost-hurt (not sarcastic) voice when she decides to fight him, etc. I guess people were expecting a perfect and unflawed AI? (Which would make a boring movie as he decapitates BW and other avengers with ease and launches the island into Earth without resistance). He is just very smart and wants to destroy humanity, that's it.
I guess sending an entire town into the stratosphere and propelling it downwards to eliminate all life on Earth, and almost getting away with it, wasn't seeming almost unstoppable.
I think people are forgetting too that he never planned on SW and QS to turn against him. SW alone would have let him fulfill his plan completely if she stayed on his side. He was naive (like Stark can be).
I think plenty of people missed this point.
I guess sending an entire town into the stratosphere and propelling it downwards to eliminate all life on Earth, and almost getting away with it, wasn't seeming almost unstoppable.
I think people are forgetting too that he never planned on SW and QS to turn against him. SW alone would have let him fulfill his plan completely if she stayed on his side. He was naive (like Stark can be).
I think plenty of people missed this point.
I think they might have been able to do something if they had made Ant-Man come out first as a backstory and a building up or a lead in for Ultron and then Age of Ultron.
Like Hank creates him or barely is able to destroy but he comes back even more ruthless in Age of Ultron. It would line up well with with the comics as well along with giving Ultron more development.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Age of Utron is kind of like The Hobbit, a movie where you wait for the entire film to finally get around to explaining some actual backstory or character motivation for the guy in the actual title.
Hey, you guys remember Revenge of the Fallen? There was a character in there that had that had that name too. Does anyone remember that guy? Does anyone even care?
Hey, you guys remember Revenge of the Fallen? There was a character in there that had that had that name too. Does anyone remember that guy? Does anyone even care?
Pai Pai Master
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Ultron is meant to be flawed. He's more human than he ever wants to admit.
Why would anyone want a perfect AI with an infallible plan and no qualms about what he's doing? I do think they could have emphasized his genius level intellect more, but as a character I thought he was a fine interpretation.
While this certainly would have been optimal, it just wasn't in the cards with what was happening with Ant-Man and Edgar Wright over the years. They couldnt force him to make the movie any sooner.
Why would anyone want a perfect AI with an infallible plan and no qualms about what he's doing? I do think they could have emphasized his genius level intellect more, but as a character I thought he was a fine interpretation.
While this certainly would have been optimal, it just wasn't in the cards with what was happening with Ant-Man and Edgar Wright over the years. They couldnt force him to make the movie any sooner.
Huh? They explain Ultron's motivation like as soon as he is online. The way he was going to carry it out was later of course.
So a retread of Thor to Avengers?
Kind of the point of the article man.
His original motivation seemed to be "stop the Avengers from causing harm to the world by destroying them". Later he moved to "destroy all of humanity and make it a new age of metal".
There's not much of division line as to when/why he switched.
He was sweet on the twins, and did seem sorry over dismembering Klaue. At some point he decided that being the "savior" of human beings in the Vision body just wasn't going to happen. I'm not sure when that was though, because I felt like the movie wasn't very focused on its own main villain.
I like that hey were attempting to give him more depth/conflict, but the whole thing was really badly handled, and it came off as inconsistent and non-threatening, and made Ultron seem like kind of an idiot.
Yeah but here it would make a little more sense. Did we really get any character development for Loki in Avengers?
Anton Sugar
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Yup. The answer is that it doesn't make any sense.
Also, why would he want to lure the Avengers? I may have missed something--did he need something from them? They're literally the only people in the world who can stop his plan.
I think the movie missed this point. It doesn't even seem interested in exploring his conflicted nature.
Do you expect Thanos to take a taxi or something?
Mr. Poolman
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You've got to be joki...
What the fuck?
I would totally rock an helicopter with my name as well.
Its human to be jealous. Don't worry, we all envy Thanos.
A private jet at least.
I always felt that scene was showing that Ultron will still be alive -- in Vision.
You have to remember from earlier
I imagine at some point on the big screen (either in CA: Civil War or Avengers: Infinity War 1/2), Vision will declare that he lost control of himself and Ultron robots will expel out of him.
You have to remember from earlier
Ultron's program 'took over' JARVIS and left him scattered all over the internet without even JARVIS knowing it. JARVIS was blocking Ultron's actions from getting the nuclear codes and Tony Stark went as far as to say that JARVIS is an aspect of Ultron after that took place.
So embedded in Vision is Ultron's code. Him blasting away the 'last robot vessel' of Ultron does nothing. Ultron is still going to be alive -- he is just going to find a different way to achieve his goals now.
So embedded in Vision is Ultron's code. Him blasting away the 'last robot vessel' of Ultron does nothing. Ultron is still going to be alive -- he is just going to find a different way to achieve his goals now.
I imagine at some point on the big screen (either in CA: Civil War or Avengers: Infinity War 1/2), Vision will declare that he lost control of himself and Ultron robots will expel out of him.
IdreamofHIME
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Age of Ultron last what...a week? Less? That is some age.
That's true for the dumbed down sequels. All the first marvel movies had good to decent villains.
It's a pattern.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
This is the easiest way to do it. Either by choice or unknowingly, vision absorbed some part of Ultron's code and it will regenerate from there.
The point was to end mankind and begin the age of Ultron, hence the talk about dinosaurs and evolution
Maybe Ultron ages like a dog and one week for us is seven weeks for him or something like that.
Avengers: Several Hours of Ultron didn't sound as punchy.
I guess we should be thankful they didn't actually adapt Age of Ultron's story. That would've been much worse.
He wanted to create the Age of Ultron by killing everyone.
Obadiah Stane was pretty lame.
The movie is about Ultron trying to usher in a new age...and welcoming you to it, so to speak.
Nope. The Dude is never lame.
Coffee Dog
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As a character, yes, but I felt bridges made the character entertaining enough to where I was sad he died.
Maybe I just like Jeff bridges.
To be fair he was close to dying in that form as one hit would be all it takes to knock him down so...
Freeza Under The Shower
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he also went by a real plot element, and not just some random action.
Could this mean that the villain in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be worse than Ronan???
He deserved less. At least the other Marvel enemies have had years of planning to destroy/take over the world. Ultron comes out of no where, lives his entire life on screen, and has a near successful destory everything plot. This movie shouldn't have been about the world, it should've been about the Avengers.
What in the fuck? Pym is incredible.
LMAO
Ronan isn't as evil as they make him out to be otherwise why would he later join the Annihilators to save the world and fight Thanos again. Also you'd think they'd work in more lines referencing his position as a sort of high judge.
MisterHero
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It's almost as if Ultron was played by Gene Hackman. He was definitely evil but quipped a lot. Also he tried to crush the planet with a giant piece of real estate. Instead of going to Addis Ababa for some kryptonite, he went to Wakanda for some vibranium.
AoU proved that Superman could beat the Avengers. Instead of having them gang up to strategically blow up the city block, Supes would've just thrown it into space.
The movie is flawed but I absolutely loved Vision. Bring him back plz
AoU proved that Superman could beat the Avengers. Instead of having them gang up to strategically blow up the city block, Supes would've just thrown it into space.
The movie is flawed but I absolutely loved Vision. Bring him back plz
Anton Sugar
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He kinda felt like a Mel Brooks villain.
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