Vincent Grayson
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I guess I'm alone in feeling like Ultron was the most fun, entertaining villain in any of the MCU movies.
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The Worst Thing About Avengers: Age of Ultron is Ultron (Spoilers)
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I guess I'm alone in feeling like Ultron was the most fun, entertaining villain in any of the MCU movies.
Pai Pai Master
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This, Ultron could never be perfect in the MCU but I'm pretty happy with what we got.
Nah he was a blast to see. I loved him just talking about his theories loving the sound of his own voice.
ThirtyPlus
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Ultron was weak as shit.
Dude built an infinitely large house full of infinite sexbots on the comatose body of his ex-wife. The Ultron antivirus was pretty much a cakewalk for him
Most likely, why break what's already making bank.
Not at all. He was a lot of fun, even if he didn't come out to be as frightening as I'd hoped. He's one of the better villains of the MCU so far. Which isn't a high bar considering there's only Wilson Fisk, Loki, and Alexander Pierce.
Ahaha lol, definitly was my favority in the Avengers EMH, I will hunt some Antman comics if that kind of stuff is in there too.
Mighty Avengers the second volume, Avengers Academy, and Avengers AI are great starts.
Nemesis121
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MCU villains are laughably bad, and I fear for Thanos, they selling to kids with the lighter shade villain, Ultron is a toy...
MisterHero
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Marvel already spoiled the Thanos fight.
Watch the Infinity War episodes in Avengers Assemble >
mega crap
roflwaffles
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Besides Loki, who?
It's comics bro, you can actually watch people die and they will be back.
Gipsy Danger
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We never see him die to be fair. And please let's never mention the Age of Ultron comic ever again. It's terrible.
Yeah I know and I always expect it in these movies but it could be handled so much better. Ah well, I still love the films for what they are.
Monocle
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Nah, it's just that complaint culture tends to drown out quiet appreciation. Consumers love to concentrate on all the ways they think creators went wrong. Negative hyperbole is pop culture's gift to itself.
There's nothing wrong with being critical. The question is, what's the value of throwing another shallow carbon copied complaint on the pile?
One unfortunate compromise you often have to make when you have something worth saying in a hyper-critical atmosphere is to package your ideas in sensational language to capture people's interest. "The WORST Thing..."
I can't remember the last time I watched a blockbuster that had a memorable villain. The Hobbit, Skyfall, Star Trek, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Equalizer; they started well, but then the writers lost their minds midway.
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Subpar Spatula
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MCU villains start fine then it's all downhill from there.
mugurumakensei
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Ultron is actually the best written villain quips and all. His motivations were detailed. If it wasn't for Scarlet Witch being able to read vision and, by extension, the connected Ultron, he would have sucessfully annihilated most of Earth's living population. So, he was definitively a threat.
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Internet of things man. Ultron is a fridge somewhere in Taiwan.
Ultron isn't a character I pictured to be fun, which was part of the problem. He makes sarcastic jokes and quips, and never really came across is threatening or menacing in any way. The Winter Soldier was far more menacing, and he felt like an actual threat.
Klaue though? We could be getting something good there in Black Panther.
This is a really good description actually. Captain America was kind of kicking his butt on his own for awhile. It never seemed like he got much traction without a really huge uphill battle.
He wasn't a threat that needed all of the Avengers united to stop, because he (Like Loki) was only a major threat due to all of his pawns. And even then, his pawns shredded pretty easily.
mugurumakensei
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uh, there's no way that Ultron's country sized meteor could have been stopped without all the avengers plus vision, scarlet witch, and qs. In fact, without those three actively fighting against him too, Ultron would have succeeded. Not all threats require physical intimidation.
Without Vision, Ultron would have continued making more bots which would have prevented Iron Man from blowing up the core. With one or two fewer people, the numbers would have been overwhelming enough that Ultron would have easily found a point to slip in and make the thing drop.
I'm aware of that, but he didn't have any safeguards to his plan really, once you hit the button that was it. He didn't have a plan B or any kind of failsafe, or anyway to prevent the avengers from just doing what they did to stop him.
He didn't necessarily need to be at physical presence on his own, but compared to how the trailers portrayed him and what the early posters showed (The Avengers struggling against a flood of his drones), it seems like they barely broke a sweat dealing with him or his meteor.
To be fair though, they didn't have much trouble stopping Loki either in my opinion. And that was before adding several new highly power characters to the team.
So it's more of a flaw in the presentation/writing in general.
Anton Sugar
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He did have quite the bubble butt.
mugurumakensei
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that pretty much comes down to him being naive and crazy enough to think the twins would be okay with his mass extinction plan. vision and scarlet witch did most of the major work in disabling ultron. They were also the two parts he hadn't factored into his plan. Factor in Ultron's emotional devestation over losing two people he really cared about, and you end up with a villain who ensured his own demise.
Dude was working that ass too, looked so damn weird. Sassy Ultron, I was not prepared, but goddamnit I was enertained.
I thought the movie made a point to show that Ultron and Tony were mirror images, in that they both only say a vague hint of what they actually want. Tony wanted rid of the Avengers, "peace in our time," as he said, and he was going by any means necessary, to do it. Ultron looks at all the destruction on earth and has already decided the humans need to go. He talks many times about evolving, which leads to what he actually means, extinction and then sort the rest out, especially when mentioning how the dinosaurs had many versions of this before they actually were truly wiped out or name dropping Noah.
This is all to set up Tony being more of antagonist in Civil War, which is why they never resolve their beef.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I thought ultron just being generally villainous from the start and not even attempting to go incognito or be deceptive made him feel not superintelligent, but more like just some random human who was stuck in a computer. His plan was really weird too, felt unnecessarily complicated and exotic as soon as plan A of nuking everyone failed.
Ultron is supposed to be a petulant child born into the world with great power and no clue about what he wants and what's right.
That's fine with me, the problem is that occasionally the movie occasionally forgets that and has him act wiser than he normally is portrayed as. And that's frustrating.
Still, calling him "the worst thing about Age of Ultron" is silly when I can think of a dozen worse things (Horrible action scenes with too many quick-cuts, half-assed plots stuck onto the main one with Black Widow and Thor, terrible pacing with no concept of build-up and payoff, that stupid language joke that was used about fifty times...).
That's fine with me, the problem is that occasionally the movie occasionally forgets that and has him act wiser than he normally is portrayed as. And that's frustrating.
Still, calling him "the worst thing about Age of Ultron" is silly when I can think of a dozen worse things (Horrible action scenes with too many quick-cuts, half-assed plots stuck onto the main one with Black Widow and Thor, terrible pacing with no concept of build-up and payoff, that stupid language joke that was used about fifty times...).
I won't pretend to know anything about Ultron from the comics, but the one thing I was disappointed with coming from the trailers to seeing the actual film was that Ultron didn't actually really beat down any of the Avengers. With that small clip of Captain Americas split shield (which turns out to be just a vision disappointingly) and all the talk of defeating them I thought they were going to actually get hurt, but none of them did, a bit tired and roughed up looking but all were fine throughout the film. Scarlet Witch did more to take them out them by not really doing anything than Ultron did.
I don't know if it is any different in the comics with the character of course, but for someone who keeps rebuilding himself stronger without him managing to show how much stronger he was building himself to be I didn't think he himself was much of a threat. Like the first Avengers the bad guy fell back on just having overwelming numbers instead of actually being able to defeat any of them, for them then to come together to defeat him.
I mean I didn't actually have a problem with it or the film, I just expected a more threatening bad guy for the characters themselves rather than another take over or destroy the world sort.
I don't know if it is any different in the comics with the character of course, but for someone who keeps rebuilding himself stronger without him managing to show how much stronger he was building himself to be I didn't think he himself was much of a threat. Like the first Avengers the bad guy fell back on just having overwelming numbers instead of actually being able to defeat any of them, for them then to come together to defeat him.
I mean I didn't actually have a problem with it or the film, I just expected a more threatening bad guy for the characters themselves rather than another take over or destroy the world sort.
jimbobsmells
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The scene at the end with vision and ultron talking about humans was cringe-worthy bad. I swear I've seen that same scene in a dozen sci fi movies.
It was absolutely terrible. They actually thought they were talking about something deep and philosophical and meaningful. Lol.
Anton Sugar
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I actually liked it, because it's basically the only exploration of Ultron/Vision that we get. It's just really a "scratching the surface" level talk, though.
That entire sequence was amateur night. We get a cheesy timelapse of our two nerds TRYING TO CRACK THE ULTRON CODE but failing :'( :'( :'( But WAIT! Right after they turn out the light, their attempt inexplicably works--Ultron has booted up! Surprise, he's pure evil! Fight it, orange! Fight it with all you--oh, orange is dead.
Primethius
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I said this in the other threads too but I felt that the most Ultron was ever intimidating was his introduction scene. Everything afterwards was kind of downhill in terms of him being intimidating and a "villain." And the movie never really portrayed a sense of emergency that the plot would have you believe effectively. Maybe it was the fact that Ultron as a villain was laughable or that the Avengers were managing to save every man, women, child and dog on the planet but the entire story felt more like a typical day for the Avengers rather then the huge arc it wanted to be.
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah. He was kind of awful. In the end, he was more James Spacer than Ultron.
In the Trailer, Ultron came across as an actual threat, he looks really intimidating and dangerous.
In the movie, almost nothing of this is presented well. The heroes always needed to look good. He quickly became a joke and didn't seem threatening at all anymore, he was just another obstacle. Also, his background and motives weren't explored enough at all.
Where the fuck was this "Age of Ultron" the movie is titled after?! Even the title indicates that he is going to fuck up the world and the Avengers. But he doesn't, he doesn't even seem capable of doing so. Everytime they have beaten him so that he could come back even stronger, it should have been portrayed as really, really close, he should have smashed the Avengers to pieces close to their death when they then suddenly, luckily, beat him. Instead he was a pushover that tried again and again but never gave you the feeling that he is even on par with the Avengers.
There was way too much fluff in the movie and not enough substance. Overarching themes only ever floated in the background and were stretched over 2 1/2 hours without really exploring them or any consequences. They presented the bare minimum of these themes which often only seemed like teasing some plotpoints for the future movies.
I'm not a comic reader btw.
In the movie, almost nothing of this is presented well. The heroes always needed to look good. He quickly became a joke and didn't seem threatening at all anymore, he was just another obstacle. Also, his background and motives weren't explored enough at all.
Where the fuck was this "Age of Ultron" the movie is titled after?! Even the title indicates that he is going to fuck up the world and the Avengers. But he doesn't, he doesn't even seem capable of doing so. Everytime they have beaten him so that he could come back even stronger, it should have been portrayed as really, really close, he should have smashed the Avengers to pieces close to their death when they then suddenly, luckily, beat him. Instead he was a pushover that tried again and again but never gave you the feeling that he is even on par with the Avengers.
There was way too much fluff in the movie and not enough substance. Overarching themes only ever floated in the background and were stretched over 2 1/2 hours without really exploring them or any consequences. They presented the bare minimum of these themes which often only seemed like teasing some plotpoints for the future movies.
I'm not a comic reader btw.
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