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The Worst Thing About Avengers: Age of Ultron is Ultron (Spoilers)
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Wow, no...
The problem there is you're deeming him bad because he's not what you pictured.
Anton Sugar
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The problem isn't really that they haven't had cool villains to work with--they have. It's the execution that gets flubbed.
To be fair, every trailer painted him as a terrifying villain.
BronsonLee
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This is where I point out that Alexander Pierce was literally seconds away from succeeding in his plan to kill millions of people.
He's not a robot, not a demi-god, not an alien. Just a dude. And his political maneuvering was more effective than anything they tried. Out of all the villains in the MCU, him and Ronan got the closest to gaining their victory.
He's not a robot, not a demi-god, not an alien. Just a dude. And his political maneuvering was more effective than anything they tried. Out of all the villains in the MCU, him and Ronan got the closest to gaining their victory.
Anton Sugar
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I think Pierce worked because TWS worked. TWS had this kinetic sense of violence throughout, that I really believed Pierce might succeed, or at least partially succeed. He's still not a very memorable bad guy, though.
Yankee Ruin X
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I'm pretty sure we will see him again.
The scene where one of his broken bodies crashes in to the helicarrier seemed totally unnecessary and straight away I thought I bet he has uploaded himself into the helicarrier but then nothing ever came of it in the rest of the movie
Pai Pai Master
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Ultron was just as close to achieving victory, first before Wanda was able to read him while transferring himself to The Vision. Then at the end when he was able to get the floating city to drop, if Tony and Thor weren't as quick as they were then he would have won.
Barrage
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I really enjoyed Ultron's religious overtones. It was such an interesting dichotomy. It's unfortunate he kinda became more generic near the end to fufill his role as Act 3 Obstacle.
The biggest misstep in the movie involving Ultron? Him not killing Cho. He's right beside her, it's not a minion, it's the main guy. And all it does is cut her? Once that happened, you realize what you did as a kid watching a saturday morning cartoon-as deadly as the villian is, he's a slave to the universe. Just like when you realized Carnage in Spider-man wasn't actually gonna cause that much carnage.
The biggest misstep in the movie involving Ultron? Him not killing Cho. He's right beside her, it's not a minion, it's the main guy. And all it does is cut her? Once that happened, you realize what you did as a kid watching a saturday morning cartoon-as deadly as the villian is, he's a slave to the universe. Just like when you realized Carnage in Spider-man wasn't actually gonna cause that much carnage.
NeOak
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While Claudia Kim is hot and all, this.
Her character
needed to die
to make Ultron feel more menacing.
I think we need to see him fight Batman in this next movie. If he gets his ass kicked then Avengers curb him. Vision and Scarlet alone might be enough to beat MoS Superman.
CassidyIzABeast
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Can't wait for Thanos to end up being Cannon Fodder Leader #3.
BadAss2961
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!!! This! My mother *loved* the movie, as did lots of people who go to these movies as fans of the MCU, not comics.
That said, come on, the title was taken from an *excellent* comic arc and while I was not expecting a retelling of the story, I was expecting some of the imagery or at least a similar tone.
"Age of Ultron" more like
"Age of Hawkeye's house, chopping wood, twin hydra supervillains, hulk/black widow love arcs, and everything being Tony's fault entirely because suddenly he's an idiot. Watch cap kick his ass in Civil War!"
I liked Ultron.
What I liked the most is that he wasnt your typical evil guy doing evil things for the sake of being evil.
Seriously, people want to see more of this? This is like every comic book movie villain ever.
He had a personality beyond just cool arrogance.
Cloud Strife
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I really liked Ultron here, but there was a lot that I felt missed the mark in his portrayal.
What I did like:
Someone else said the absence of Pym is crucial for Ultron and I'd have to agree.
Age of Ultron? What age?
Ultron is never seen *doing* anything remotely threatening to humanity besides the final battle. Ultron is meant to be a global threat!
Tony built Ultron, but the AI was taken from the Mind Stone. Why is Ultron so similar to Tony when we never actually see any sort of cranial relationship between them? Why didn't Ultron copy Banner instead of Stark?
No glowing eyes and glowing mouth or laser beam attack from said mouth. C'mon.
Ultron was never foreshadowed at all in previous movies.
Ultron is weak-sauce. The scene with him fighting Cap on the truck boggled my mind, especially the bit where Cap has him in a choke-hold. Wtf? This is Ultron!
The *final* battle is like one minute, even less when you consider the scenes with only Ultron's main body.
No exploiting of the Avenger's weaknesses, I suppose that was the purpose of Scarlet Witch but Ultron is still meant to be an intimidating mental threat as well.
Nuclear codes? C'mon dude, as a hyper-intelligent A.I. there's gotta be some other way you can mess up the world through infiltration/hacking/etc. Not enough of this.
Ultron should have killed Widow. Ultron should have killed anyone.
No scenes of Ultron building himself.
Ultron is never seen *doing* anything remotely threatening to humanity besides the final battle. Ultron is meant to be a global threat!
Tony built Ultron, but the AI was taken from the Mind Stone. Why is Ultron so similar to Tony when we never actually see any sort of cranial relationship between them? Why didn't Ultron copy Banner instead of Stark?
No glowing eyes and glowing mouth or laser beam attack from said mouth. C'mon.
Ultron was never foreshadowed at all in previous movies.
Ultron is weak-sauce. The scene with him fighting Cap on the truck boggled my mind, especially the bit where Cap has him in a choke-hold. Wtf? This is Ultron!
The *final* battle is like one minute, even less when you consider the scenes with only Ultron's main body.
No exploiting of the Avenger's weaknesses, I suppose that was the purpose of Scarlet Witch but Ultron is still meant to be an intimidating mental threat as well.
Nuclear codes? C'mon dude, as a hyper-intelligent A.I. there's gotta be some other way you can mess up the world through infiltration/hacking/etc. Not enough of this.
Ultron should have killed Widow. Ultron should have killed anyone.
No scenes of Ultron building himself.
What I did like:
Spader was amazing.
The link between Ultron and Tony, albeit flawed, was really cool. I like how both fundamentally believe the human race is too weak to withstand "God throwing a stone" at the earth.
Although it makes him a little too human, I did like the final scene with Ultron and Wanda where he seems concerned for her safety. Would have been a great scene preceding Ultron's final turn to evil.
Biblical motif, though it would have made a lot more sense if there was some Biblical motifs from Tony in any of the previous films.
The "you rise only to fall" scene was mint.
BLEH! Captain America.
The link between Ultron and Tony, albeit flawed, was really cool. I like how both fundamentally believe the human race is too weak to withstand "God throwing a stone" at the earth.
Although it makes him a little too human, I did like the final scene with Ultron and Wanda where he seems concerned for her safety. Would have been a great scene preceding Ultron's final turn to evil.
Biblical motif, though it would have made a lot more sense if there was some Biblical motifs from Tony in any of the previous films.
The "you rise only to fall" scene was mint.
BLEH! Captain America.
Pai Pai Master
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Really? Comics Age of Ultron was awful.
Funky Papa
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No, the worst part about Age of Ultron was how utterly wasted was Strucker in it.
Marvel did him dirty. Again.
Marvel did him dirty. Again.
The age of Ultron was what he was trying to cause, not what happened. And
he killed Quicksilver.
Anton Sugar
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I mean, he was STILL a typical evil guy doing evil things for the sake of being evil. He wanted to wipe most of humanity off the Earth because we "did it wrong" or something.
He had the superficial makings of a conflicted villain with a complex psyche, but it was just lip-service. The movie seemed less interested in that and far more interested in the next setpiece.
Cloud Strife
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I'm pretty sure there was an expectation for Ultron to have ushered in his 'age' at some point in the movie. Disappointing title.
And he killed Quicksilver in a Quinjet after getting his ass kicked, not by his own hands.
TheSpoiler
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You are expecting comic book level stuff with a comic book movie.
BattleMonkey
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Comic book logic says hes not dead. but for the MCU, I'm sure Ultron is gone. They got a huge universe to explore, they are likely not going to bother reusing Ultron with what they got on their plate.
His age involved
wiping out all life on Earth with an artificial meteor impact leaving only Ultron alive
So this is a "people don't kill people, guns kill people" thing?
He shot Quicksilver to death with a gattling gun, probably the only gun fast enough to kill a speedster.
Kai Dracon
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Vision preserving some part of Ultron was totally lampshaded by Vision's early remark about Ultron being unique. Pretty much guaranteed that while Vision vaporized the drone, he couldn't bring himself to not take some important component out. Or copy Ultron's consciousness for safekeeping.
Pai Pai Master
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Did you miss the entire conversation with Wanda and Pietro about the dinosaurs and evolution?
Anton Sugar
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How many movies are named after plans that aren't enacted?
It's a stupid title, guys. It's okay to admit it.
It's a stupid title, guys. It's okay to admit it.
Cloud Strife
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Wiping out life with his clones would have been a close second. Obviously he wasn't going to suceed, but he never came close (even with the
meteor
Never said it didn't count, it was just silly that he never came close to
killing any of the Avengers himself, he resorts to flying away in a ship for a last resort effort like a cartoon villain.
No? I understand what the title of the movie means, I'm dissapointed it didn't happen to the degree I was expecting.
You don't seem to understand
Ultron's plan is all or nothing. If it succeeds, humanity is wiped out. You can't "sort of" succeed. He had the city in the air, ready to fall, and in fact, starts the plummet before it's blown apart. That's literally as close to succeeding as he could have gotten without actually wiping out humanity.
Pai Pai Master
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You know Wanda, this really is the Age of Ultron
Anton Sugar
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It didn't have to be all or nothing. I would have LOVED if they could only evacuate some of the civilians OR if they could only slow down the continent so it impacted, just on a smaller scale.
Cloud Strife
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Oh, I understand. I don't think we're on the same page about what defines a global threat, though. I know exactly what the movie defines as Ultron's "age", but all I mean is that I was expecting to see more of the dude's prescence around the world, him tearing shit up and proving the Avenger's supposed powerlessness.
For the purposes of the film, his plan HAS to be all or nothing, and the fact that that's what was focused on solely when we know he's never going to win anyway is what I take issue with, makes him looker weaker than he should.
This too.
Alebrije
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Thats exactly what I think , "Days of Ultron" is better name since never was an Age, just plans to make one.
Its like an Ice age movie but without ice.
You said this before and "Days of Ultron" is a bloody awful title. It sounds both like Days of Our Lives, and Days of Future Past.
Unfortunately with the Avengers movies growing in cast they have less and less time for character growth, especially the villain.
Avengers 2 has like a dozen major characters vying for screen time and theres only so much to go around. So, things like Ultron's motivations and psyche are going to take a back seat to elaborate set pieces.
If you think this is bad just wait till Avengers 3 when they add the GotG cast and even more new characters.
But, with Ultron they at least attempted to give him full range of emotion albeit in brief snippets. Like confusion, pride, loneliness, doubt, affection and fear.
People rave about The Joker in TDK but what kind of emotional range does he have? Calm creepiness and wild lunacy?
I'm not really getting it. He gets two hours--basically the entire movie. Yes, in the comics he was resurrected more than a dozen times, but that was over fifty years worth of books.
I did not want to see Avengers because I thought Ultron would be yet another cliche, boring robot that decides to take over the world. His unusual personality made him interesting for a while.
SixMachine
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I wonder if they are setting up her death for later. In the comics, her husband and her are just fridged to set up for Amadeus Cho, who could possibly be in Ant-Man, since he is the 7th (or is it 8-9th now?) smartest person on the planet and receives Pym's helmet. It also gives an excuse for Hercules to get some screentime because he is awesome like that. But I dunno if she is even married or old enough to have a teen son in the MCU.
Regret Upon Approval
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I think my post in the other, related thread can be carried over.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162740794&postcount=224
Bad guy once again, not intimidating, there is no tension really.
Got carried away with trying to be a funny movie that basically backfires a bit and makes the whole climactic battle and antagonist seem like no big deal.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=162740794&postcount=224
Bad guy once again, not intimidating, there is no tension really.
Got carried away with trying to be a funny movie that basically backfires a bit and makes the whole climactic battle and antagonist seem like no big deal.
Anton Sugar
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I don't know that you need an emotional range, or even an arc, to be a good character. The Joker is a good example of this, and I've used Anton Chigurh, as well. Agent Smith from The Matrix is a good villain but he doesn't have much range or an arc (at least, in the first film).
What all of these characters DID have (less so Chigurh) was multiple scenes where they were able to explore their world view and point of view. Ultron basically gave his view in tiny little snippets. The closest we get to an examination is the final scene with him and Vision.
If they wanted Vision to be a fully-realized character, with an arc, that's asking a whole lot more than what he got.
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Pai Pai Master
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What about "Approximately Two Hours of Ultron", that's much more accurate
They have so many easy ways to bring him back. Here are a few on the top of my head
1. Vision didn't kill him but stored him somewhere to keep him alive.
2. Ultron made back ups of himself and has them stored somewhere hidden.
3. Ultron uploaded his blueprints on the web so someone smart enough can rebuild him later.
4. Ultorn is still alive because he is apart of the mind gem.
Marvel can bring a lot of there Villains back in plausible ways. I would be shocked if Red Skull isn't in Civil War pulling strings behind the scenes
1. Vision didn't kill him but stored him somewhere to keep him alive.
2. Ultron made back ups of himself and has them stored somewhere hidden.
3. Ultron uploaded his blueprints on the web so someone smart enough can rebuild him later.
4. Ultorn is still alive because he is apart of the mind gem.
Marvel can bring a lot of there Villains back in plausible ways. I would be shocked if Red Skull isn't in Civil War pulling strings behind the scenes
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Ultron still uses iOS6?
Zantetsuken
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The problem here is that villains are being made to be "fun and entertaining", while also trying to destroy everything.
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