What?
All footage I watched involved fight sticks.
So you're debating folks who are the exception over the rule?
The Xbox One controller cost $100,000,000
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What?
All footage I watched involved fight sticks.
So you're debating folks who are the exception over the rule?
I don't see a problem here. We rarely hear what companies spend on R&D, so I'm not sure we have a good reference point for the 100 million figure. Given the popularity of the 360 controller, I can't say it is surprising they went with a refinement in this iteration instead of a total redesign. Leave that job to Nintendo to radically rethink input. As the video talks about, the elusive 'core' gamer expects a certain input at this point. Why change what isn't broken? The fixes talked about all sound awesome, down to the removal of the screws. I have a touch of OCD, and I constantly find myself fiddling with the screw holes with a free finger. I'm sure those adjusts will pay dividends over time, and as others pointed out, over the life of a console like this the investment may end up being small. I just hope we get a PC version, as I still haven't seen that confirmed anywhere.
TheGreyHulk
Member
They actually did confirm the PC compatibility, but the software for PC won't be ready until 2014, so its not going to fully work at launch on PC. They said they have to make sure old games will be able to work with the new controller.
Can't find the link right now. Read it on the pulse app on my iPad earlier.
Can't find the link right now. Read it on the pulse app on my iPad earlier.
Awesome. Delay doesn't bother me, as my 360 controller isn't going to magically stop working.
The_Killah29
Banned
So we're supposed to spend $100+ dollars on one controller that only really works well for one genre of game instead of getting a standard controller to have a well functioning d-pad instead of weird hybrid of a control stick and a d-pad?
Yeah, not everyone's made of money.
Nocturno999
Member
If you can make a shoryuken with the D-Pad it will be a triumph. Still the 2AA battery requirement is disappointing.
The_Killah29
Banned
Not trolling, I did read it. I was talking about it's end result, and if it was only really basically a button shift and giving it an ACTUAL d-pad, that seems like it was all just a waste of money, TBH.
$100 million R&D vs $5 billion in sales
Seems reasonable.
And fighting games were DEAD when 360 came out. And it's the best pad because its by far the best for platformers, sports games, racing, first person, third person... You know... The most popular genres...
Ps I wish we got odor emitters
But you obviously didn't read it otherwise you wouldn't still have this train of thought.
NotXbox one
Banned
well i can assure You this is a good investment ,, well done Microsoft .
FullMetalx117
Member
God forbid Microsoft, a multi billion dollar company, pays its employees a good salary or, even better, hires an extraordinary amount of people to create the product, thus, creating more jobs.
The controller probably shouldn't have been that expensive but there is absolutely no reason why this should be considered a negative.
The controller probably shouldn't have been that expensive but there is absolutely no reason why this should be considered a negative.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
Is this some sort of patented Microsoft Fuzzy Marketing Math again? 100m for the controller and 3000m for the chips?
$3b is lifetime value as quoted by AMD. They get royalty percentages which get lower every year.
R&D is significantly less.... Probably in $300 mil range
Friktion321
Neo Member
I honestly cannot wait to get the controller in my hand to see how well the $100m was spent. I'm sure it will be a thing of beauty.
I'd be interested if Sony or Microsoft released any figures for the DualShock 1, DualShock 4, Xbox Duke, Xbox S, or Xbox 360 controllers to compare against this one. And either way, they'll probably be selling this controller for at least 8 years, so any R&D costs are factoring that in. Their sales figures of 360 controllers probably influenced that number a bit as well.
BTW, I love the Xbox 360 controller, but it definitely has flaws can be improved on aside from the D-pad. No battery hump, no proprietary charging cable, one SKU that can be wired and wireless, improved dead zone on the sticks, face buttons that don't stick, guide button placement (I've accidentally pressed it from the analog sticks multiple times), and improved bumpers (I had to fix mine with a piece of cardboard because the button didn't press) are all improvements I've either seen or I'm looking for in the new controller.
So what you're saying is that we should really be viewing it as a negative that they spent SO LITTLE. $100 million? Why not $200 million? Why not half a billion? Nothing's too good for this controller! More jobs! More make-work!
Open Source
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I wonder how much of the $100 mil went towards licensing and acquiring patents.
You sound like a 360 pad apologist. Given the amount and popularity of fighting games this gen, the 360 pad has no chance of being the best controller all around.
This is why it's really a flawed argument when it comes to where companies of this size spend their money (versus a game studio).
You may think that this is a waste of money that could go and buy exclusive rights for Shenmue 3 or something, but the hardware guys already had this cash in their budget. If they didn't put 100 mil in the controller it'd be spent on some other R&D hardware project - not more games.
You may think that this is a waste of money that could go and buy exclusive rights for Shenmue 3 or something, but the hardware guys already had this cash in their budget. If they didn't put 100 mil in the controller it'd be spent on some other R&D hardware project - not more games.
100 million dollars in R&D? This shit better shoot lazers.
A lot of people that have held both next gen controllers like the DS4 better.
Depends on the game. For Street Fighter games, yes, the competitive use a stick. However, Street Fighter is not the only fighting game.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I didn't know this. Any links to these impressions?
well the only game i played was Ryse, and it didnt seem to showcase the haptic triggers very well... they felt good though in terms of their resistance... they feel a bit stiffer than x360 triggers, in a good way though. over all the XB1 controller feels stiffer more sturdy...both new controllers feel very "high end"
Ive always liked Dualshock controllers, so its only my personal taste, but handling both controllers actually felt very nice. i Love the new XB1 controller much more than x360's controller, but the new design of the Dualshock 4 feels REALLY good, the triggers and tumbstick improvements are awesome... but i have to say, both the XB1 and DS4 are pretty fantastic.
It was on GAF during E3. I'd have to really search because I don't remember the thread title.
Uno Venova
Banned
Some people in the industry actually clarified what the average costs are to develop in that thread right? I don't think that has happened here yet.
For all my misgivings about MS and concerns about XB1, I have to say the 360 controller is pretty much perfection. If the Dpad wasn't so sloppy, it'd be perfect.
Why spend $100m redesigning something that's already perfect, and come up with something that looks extremely similar?
Why spend $100m redesigning something that's already perfect, and come up with something that looks extremely similar?
DigitalSmoke
Banned
I still don't understand how the 360 joypad got crowned best Pad last generation, when the D-pas was not just flawed but "completely" broken.
Wecan say its because of the sticks, well that doesn't cover it.
Wecan say its because of the sticks, well that doesn't cover it.
Fornaximus
Member
You're 9 pages late.
Well the word best doesn't actually mean it's good, it just means there wasn't anything better.
Although I would argue the 360 pad is amazing for anything that doesn't require precision 2D inputs (i.e d-pad use).
It's largely due to ergonomics, and that is a big factor. There's nothing special about the inputs themselves, aside from people preferring the resistance of the 360 sticks. Interestingly enough I think they said they were "loosened" on the Xbox One pad on that 40 point improvement list.
Snapshot King
Member
Got my hands on it at e3. Baffled me that they spent all this time and money to make a controller worse than the one they already have.
What changed?
Cave Johnson
Member
I bet the new "improved" Dualshock 4 didn't even cost 1/10 to develop compared to the X1. Jesus, you think with that cash they would revolutionize the controller someway. Nope. Just extra motors for the triggers. YAY!
Terrordactyl
Member
My ass. Li ion > rechargeable alkaline allll daaaay
Well if you don't like fighting games, what else do you really need the D-Pad for? Even most 2D platformers were designed with analog in mind this gen.
Does not compute.
If I recall correctly didn't the original Xbox controller have pressure sensitive buttons? Like the harder you pushed down the button the larger the degree of input was. I remember in Fable the amount of draw back on the bow was matched to how hard you pushed the button.
Why did they remove this from the newer controllers? I thought it was really cool.
Why did they remove this from the newer controllers? I thought it was really cool.
Snapshot King
Member
D-pad is better, ergonomics are much worse. It feels much bulkier in the hand, more like an Xbox Controller S. Whereas the PS4 controller feels like a dramatic improvement on par with the 360 pad. Really disappointed coming away from hands on time with the Xbox One controller.
Pretty much is the key phrase here.
Pad players have gotten top 8 in Marvel, Street Fighter, Tekken and other games. It's the prefered method of play for a good chunk of the 3d fighting scene.
How do you hold your controllers? Do you use your index finger to get both the trigger and bumper or do you use the index and middle fingers to get each button?