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This just angers me so much!! 45k US deaths yearly from lack of insurance

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I gotta get going to my class but i just wanted to post this before i left. I just find this totally wrong. How can they let this happen in America? I dont get it and it REALLY pisses me off. This gets me thinking, i may have to take that "sicko" documentary for a whirl even though i dont think highly of M.Moore..a guy at the college im going to for some brush up computer classes for my job keeps pressing me with this stuff from M.Moore...i might just give in and watch it...he said i'd be very angry at the system if i were to watch it lol...true?

Anyways, here is the article..my heart just sank to my stomach reading this..i feel real sad right now :(

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/18/deaths.health.insurance/index.html

(CNN) -- A freelance cameraman's appendix ruptured and by the time he was admitted to surgery, it was too late. A self-employed mother of two is found dead in bed from undiagnosed heart disease. A 26-year-old aspiring fashion designer collapsed in her bathroom after feeling unusually fatigued for days.
Paul Hannum's family members say he probably would've gone to the hospital earlier if he had had health insurance.

Paul Hannum's family members say he probably would've gone to the hospital earlier if he had had health insurance.

What all three of these people have in common is that they experienced symptoms, but didn't seek care because they were uninsured and they worried about the hospital expense, according to their families. All three died.

Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

The researchers examined government health surveys from more than 9,000 people aged 17 to 64, taken from 1986-1994, and then followed up through 2000. They determined that the uninsured have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care. The researchers then extrapolated the results to census data from 2005 and calculated there were 44,789 deaths associated with lack of health insurance.

For years, Paul Hannum didn't have health insurance while he worked as a freelance cameraman in southern California.

One Sunday, Hannum complained of a stomachache which alarmed his pregnant fiancée, Sarah Percy. "He wasn't a complainer," she said. "He's the type of guy who, if he got a cold, he'll power through it. I never had known him to complain about anything."

Hannum thought he had a stomach flu or food poisoning from bad chicken. On Monday, his brother saw him looking ashen and urged him to go to the hospital. "He had a little girl on the way," his older brother Curtis Hannum said. "He didn't want the added burden of an ER visit to hang on their finances. He thought 'I'll just wait,' and he got worse and worse."

By the time Hannum got to the hospital and was admitted to surgery, it was too late.

Paul Hannum, 45, died on Thursday, August 3, 2006, from a ruptured appendix. His daughter, Cameron was born two months later.

Other studies have indicated that the uninsured are at greater risk of mortality than the insured. A 2007 study from The American Cancer Society found that uninsured cancer patients are 1.6 percent more likely to die within five years of their diagnosis than those with private insurance. In 2002, the Institute of Medicine estimated that lack of health insurance caused about 18,000 deaths every year.

The latest findings come amid the fierce debate over health care reform in the U.S.

Two authors of the Harvard study, Himmelstein and Dr. Steffie Woolhandler are co-founders of the Physicians for a National Health Program, which supports government-backed "single-payer" health coverage.

The National Center for Policy Analysis, which backs "free-market" health care reform, calls the Harvard research flawed.

"The findings in this research are based on faulty methodology and the death risk is significantly overstated," said John C. Goodman, the president of the NCPA in a statement. But Goodman did note there is "a genuine crisis of the uninsured in this country."

The lead author of the Harvard study, Dr. Andrew Wilper said he's confident in his and his colleagues' estimates. "It's consistent with the vast body of literature that has found reasonably similar findings," said Wilper, instructor in internal medicine at the University of Washington. "There's broad agreement in the health literature regarding this point."

Wilper said there is often fear from those, including his own grandmother, who don't feel well but avoid the hospital because it could mean financial catastrophe.

For 10 years, Sue Riek suffered from back pain, but couldn't afford medical care.

When a mid-life divorce left her single and without health insurance, Riek started a home-business selling make-up on eBay to support herself and her two daughters.

Riek, who lived in Charlotte, North Carolina, didn't qualify for Medicaid. And she couldn't afford a $5,000 monthly insurance premium, said her eldest daughter, Kaytee Riek.

"I don't know if she felt trapped, but it was a constant in her life -- struggling outside the health care system to exist," her daughter said.

Riek took comfort in her faith and regularly attended church. Then one Sunday, she didn't show up.

The next day, September 3, 2007, her daughter received the call telling her that her 51-year-old mother died from undiagnosed heart disease -- a condition treatable with lifestyle changes, medication and certain medical procedures.

"I feel incredibly strongly that she would still be alive if she had been able to regularly see a doctor," said her daughter.

It has become lethal to be uninsured, said Woolhandler, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard.

"If you can get good primary care for your high blood pressure, your high cholesterol, diabetes -- those don't have to be lethal conditions," she said. "If you fail to get good ongoing primary care, you may end up with complications and even death."

The ranks of the uninsured have grown, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. It says the number of Americans without health insurance rose to 46.3 million last year, up from 45.7 million in 2007. The percentage of the uninsured remained at 15.4 percent.

Young adults are more likely to be uninsured. Elizabeth Machol, 25, told her mother she felt tired. She had just moved into a new apartment in Santa Rosa, California, with her boyfriend and thought the fatigue was from the move and her cat Bert, who would keep her up at night.
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* MayoClinic.com: Heart-healthy diet -- 7 steps to prevent heart disease
* MayoClinic.com: Appendicitis

Her mother, Marlena Machol told her to go to the doctor's office, but Machol was reluctant. Machol worked at a movie theater and didn't have health insurance. Her parents were still paying her medical bills from a previous condition and she was worried about the cost.

A few days after their phone conversation, Machol collapsed in the bathroom. She never regained consciousness.

One day after her 26th birthday, Machol was declared brain dead.

After signing papers to donate her organs, her parents kissed her face, held her hands and said goodbye to the daughter who had played the violin, organized her own fashion show and taught neighborhood kids how to swim. The coroner's office could not determine the cause of death.

Six years after her death on September 22, 2003, her family wonders if things would've been different had she not feared the cost of going to the hospital.

"Maybe they would've found out what's wrong," her mother said. "I don't know if that would've saved her, but it would've been a chance to. There are people like Elizabeth -- young people who are starting out in life and they don't have options
 

Zeliard

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ronito said:
45k seems exceedingly low.

Indeed, it's probably more. Health expenses are absurd, and if you don't have insurance, you're very likely to put off going to the doctor when you don't feel well. If you don't have insurance, it likely means you're working a relatively low-paying job, so you're far less likely to go get checked for a symptom that is anything but immediately alarming. It's a sad and vicious cycle.
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Small number considering our population. Anyway we all know we need to do something about the health care system, but as to what that is, thats up for debate. I think we can all agree on though that everything is waaaaaayyyy too fucking expensive. We don't get much bang for our buck.
 

mj1108

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A small price to pay for health insurance executives and politicial figures to rake in millions in bonuses.
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
deadbeef said:
Dong worry we are going to require by law that people purchase insurance so we won't have that problem anymore.

My dong isn't worried at all, thank you.
 

jmdajr

Member
deadbeef said:
Dong worry we are going to require by law that people purchase insurance so we won't have that problem anymore.
Yup, that be great.

Plus, people now get in trouble out of their own stupidity.

I know a friend who makes a good living as a nurse who doesn't have any insurance.
He can more than afford it but I guess he thinks he would never need it just because he's 30. He also rides a motor bike without a helmet sometimes.
 

Polari

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I haven't really followed this debate, but coming from New Zealand and now living in the UK, I have to say that the general perception in both countries is that your healthcare system is unbelievably callous, cold and immoral.
 

glistenm

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Polari said:
I haven't really followed this debate, but coming from New Zealand and now living in the UK, I have to say that the general perception in both countries is that your healthcare system is unbelievably callous, cold and immoral.

And the snobby youarepeeing condition continues.
 

aku:jiki

Member
jmdajr said:
Yup, that be good.

I mean some people right now get in trouble out of their own stupidity.
Yeah, you totally get the health care debate and should most definitely be participating in it.
 

Aeris130

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GodofWine

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People don't die due to lack of insurance, its not a cause of death. People die from illnesses, many of which having insurance wouldn't fix anyway.

Insurance is great when you need stitches, or break a bone etc, but in the case of major illness, even with insurance it often results in bankruptcy (there is a topic here about this, something like 75% of medical related bankruptcy cases are people WITH insurance.)

The plan is to not get a major illness until you are really old, and then the govt pays for it, but so many people have insurance that only covers so much, that in the event of grave injury / illness / debiliation, it still ruins you (if it doesn't kill you)
 

The Steve

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Windu said:
Small number considering our population. Anyway we all know we need to do something about the health care system, but as to what that is, thats up for debate. I think we can all agree on though that everything is waaaaaayyyy too fucking expensive. We don't get much bang for our buck.

I'm willing to bet the number is faaar higher.
 

Spasm

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Russell said:
Healthcare is not a right.
Neither are roads, parks, education, safe food, transit, or personal/property protection.

I expect that you'd stand by your convictions, and tell a firefighter trying to rescue you from a burning building that you can't accept his help, because that would be giving in to socialism.
 

Canova

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arussell said:
/end topic after the first reply.. very nice.

90k die from the flu every year for gods sake.. get over it.

you deserve to stay in junior status forever with this kind of response
 

Lelielle

Member
I think one of the big things missing from this policy debate is empathy for the human lives these policies affect. One of the things Ted Kennedy did which seems like a REALLY good idea was to bring policy makers to hospitals in rural areas and the inner city so they could actually see the real human toll of a broken system apart from all the paperwork and debate. Some of the stories I have been hearing about people with no insurance or not enough are heartbreaking....
 

deadbeef

Member
They picked some poor examples in their story. Lots of people have undiagnosed health problems. Yes if everyone went to the doctor for every ache and/or pain these things like appendicitis might get caught. Some would still slip through the cracks or be misdiagnosed.
 

ToxicAdam

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So, less than .1 percent of the uninsured Americans die a year? Not so bad. I wonder what the rate is for insured Americans?


It's a curious number considering that just 5 years ago the Institute of Medicine estimated that only 18,000 die a year because of a lack of health insurance. Hard to believe that number almost tripled in a 5 year time span.

It's no surprise that many of the antecdotal stories are under the age of 60. People always take a gamble with their health the younger they are. They make a choice for more disposable cash than their health.
 

MojoRisin

Member
arussell said:
/end topic after the first reply.. very nice.

90k die from the flu every year for gods sake.. get over it.
I wanna call sarcasm, but come on!

Those people probably would've died regardless of health insurance issues, I think the OP is referring to people who have died from conditions that could've been prevented had they been attended to medically.
 

jmdajr

Member
So if they mandate healthcare I wonder how it would be enforced. No school enrollment or job hiring if you don't have insurance?
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
2009 estimated population: 307,418,000
Number of people who die because of "lack of insurance": 45,000

.000146% of Americans die because of "lack of insurance" That is not even 1.5 ten thoudsandths of a percent.
 
Has there ever been a study of the # of people that die in waiting list in UHC countries?

It'd make for a better comparison between the two systems.
 

MojoRisin

Member
Drkirby said:
2009 estimated population: 307,418,000
Number of people who die because of "lack of insurance": 45,000

.000146% of Americans die because of "lack of insurance" That is not even 1.5 ten thoudsandths of a percent.
307,000,000 people aren't without insurance.

albeit it's still a low percentage, but still, if the situation happened to you it doesnt matter how little the number,
 

turnbuckle

Member
ToxicAdam said:
So, less than .1 percent of the uninsured Americans die a year? Not so bad. I wonder what the rate is for insured Americans?


It's a curious number considering that just 5 years ago the Institute of Medicine estimated that only 18,000 die a year because of a lack of health insurance. Hard to believe that number almost tripled in a 5 year time span.

It's no surprise that many of the antecdotal stories are under the age of 60. People always take a gamble with their health the younger they are. They make a choice for more disposable cash than their health.

Considering more people had health insurance 5 years ago, I don't know why this is so curious.

As for the stories of people being under 60... that might have more to do with the elderly having access to medicare.

wtf happened to you man? You're getting into SiameseDreamer level of retarded lately.
 

SomeDude

Banned
THe United States COnstitution may very well be the most overrated document ever written. I'm tired of everyone bring it up when you talk about government healthcare.



The damn thing was written 200 years ago for fucks sake.
 
the point is not that it's necessarily a huge percentage of people, but the idea that it should be an easily preventable problem for a wealthy, modernized country.

If 30 people died because a pit of spikes was left out in the middle of a busy park, simply saying "well, it's only a small percentage of people, what's the big deal?" doesn't really invalidate the argument that removing a pit of spikes should be a straightforward, obvious thing to do.
 
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