RSLAEV said:There's really nothing you can do about them-they'll continue to rally against government programs while at the same time enjoying a lifestyle that is only possible because of them (for more on that topic google 'I am and American Conservative Shitheel').
Guess what? We live in society where government actions benefit everybody to some extent. It's inescapable, no matter what country you live. Are you suggesting all libertarians are hypocrites that should be ignored because they happen to live in a society that has a functioning and pervasive government?
You oversimplify libertarianism way too much. There's many different types, and most aren't anywhere near as extreme as you paint them to be.
There's a legitimate conversation to be had about what should be up to government and what shouldn't be, but you seem on completely sidestepping the issue by wrongfully painting people as hypocrites.
Kuro Madoushi said:At the end of the day, DO you guys want to be paying for people that aren't contributing and may be potential leeches on society? I figured if the majority really wanted UHC, you guys would already have it. Seems to me the only thing holding back UHC for Americans ARE Americans. Am I wrong?
Yes, I do want to be paying for leeches, if it eventually means I have the same safety net. Our system is so fundamentally fucked and getting worse that almost any of the proposed solutions would make it less bad.
I think the problem is that people don't think the proposed fixes will actually fix what they dislike about the system. That, and the right is doing a mighty fine job of painting all non-US healthcare systems in an awful light.