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Tokyo Summer Olympics 2021... I mean 2020 Thread
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'm not discrediting her NOR her accomplishment. Streets said she made the choice... She didn't. She was pressured into it. She could have walked out? Have you read about mentally abusive and manipulative Karolyi was? She didn't have a choice! That's what I'm pushing back against. The difference is .. Biles HAD that choice because there's no Karolyi type figure on team USA.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
As I said. All assumptions. You have a knack for doing that.
Are you going to assume saying she's lying?
FAQ
How old were you when you started gymnastics? What was your favorite event? What happened on your first vault at the 1996 Olympics? What was the team that you were trying to beat for the gold? Who …
www.kerristrug.info
5. Who made you do the second vault?
No one made me do the second vault. My coach, Bela Karolyi, encouraged me to do it by yelling positive affirmations to me such as, “Kerri, you can do it!” I was the one that decided that I would and could do the vault again. I wanted to show the world how hard I had worked, that I could do the vault well, and to make sure we would win the team gold.
Raven117
Member
You are absolutely discrediting her. You should be ashamed of what you are doing. Pathetic.
You want to talk about the issues with coaching 25 years ago, fine (I wont engage, because I don't care)...But you are absolutely taking away one the greatest sports moments in history from Strug for you to try and win some online argument.
LOL, See Deaf, you are making shit up. Taking away one of the greatest sports moment ever so you can win some point. Seriously man....go outside and think about what you are doing.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The funny thing is it doesnt even matter if she did it on her own or was beaten with a stick into submission. When you got a gimped ankle and torn ligaments (which obviously killed) and you got to run as fast as possible, twirl and land on your gimped feet somehow doing it fantastic, thats a warrior.
Thats like telling anyone with a broken ankle to run as fast as possible down the sidewalk, jump high and land on your feet perfect. A WWE wrestler would cry in pain. Strug did it.
All the while Biles quits and next thing you know she's already on Twitter gabbing because she wasnt "mentally fit".
Biles choked and decided to bail ship. The face of the Olympics and quit mid-way through a team event despite being still so close with Russia. Couldnt even wait an hour and do maybe two more runs to end the event, and then call it quits.
Quit on the spot kind of person.
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Raven117
Member
I totally agree. Regardless of why she did it...she did it...And became a LEGEND. A freakin warrior. An inspiration for people (like me), who don't give too flips about gymnastics but recognize greatness when I see it. People like Deaf (and their ilk) just dont see it. They never will. Thats how they view the world and themselves. Its a loser mentality making excuses. (and then they try to discredit her accomplishment to win some internet argument. pathetic).
What happened with Biles is very unfortunate. Biles is more of a decorated gymnast than Strug ever hoped to be...There should be more support for the mental game by U.S. Gymnastics and the U.S. Olympic committees to help athletes with this insane amount of pressure. But Strug is truly great....she did something that transcended the sport...Biles...well, she is the most decorated gymnast who completely choked and buckled under pressure towards the end of her career.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
By “try” I mean as the an athlete who embraces the title “greatest of all time”. As in, you’re the leader and star of the team, your teammates are counting on you, you made a commitment not just to yourself but to them and you need to see that through. If you choose, as she did, to go back on your commitment to your teammates, it’s just not good. It’s not commendable. It’s shrinking in the face of adversity. It’s not an example anyone should be following. And it’s just not what sports are about.
And you are full of shit. Don’t try cast some sort of shadow on greatness. There are a lots of loser trying to do this to feel better about themselves. “See, no one should struggle to overcome, we should all just be ok with being mediocre, like me.” Most of us are mediocre. But I love to see true greatness. It’s a big part of watching sports. Every once in a while you see someone reach heights even they didn’t think they could reach. You don’t get to see it a lot in life. Don’t take it for granted with this weak shit.
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Raven117
Member
This right here.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Totally.
Biles seems like one of those people when things crack, she's out. 99.9% of other athletes stick with it win or lose.
Look at any global tournament (especially team sports since they get coverage), you always get a dominating team thrashing some small weak country 12-0. I know that happens in hockey. And it used to be even worse 10 or 20 years ago. Team Canada mens or womens will win by double digits outshooting them like 62-8.
Everyone knows that weak team is going to be tossed in the dumpster. They know it too. But they still show up and play the whole match.
Since gymnastics arent shown on TV a lot, but traditional team sports are, when was the last time you ever saw a star athlete just walk out mid game?
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DeviantBoi
Member
Man, so much air time dedicated to justifying why it was okay for Simon Biles to quit on her team.
I’d rather hear about the winners that did not quit… like Tom Daley, who after 14 years of not quitting finally earned a gold medial.
If the media is gonna keep talking about it, let’s get to the root of the problem. What caused her mental breakdown? What needs to change? Cause the message can’t be “It’s okay to quit on your team if you’re not feeling it.”
I’d rather hear about the winners that did not quit… like Tom Daley, who after 14 years of not quitting finally earned a gold medial.
If the media is gonna keep talking about it, let’s get to the root of the problem. What caused her mental breakdown? What needs to change? Cause the message can’t be “It’s okay to quit on your team if you’re not feeling it.”
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DeepBreath87
Banned
“But sometime I call off work when I’m not feeling it. I’m just like Simone Biles.”
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TheGrat1
Member
I wonder if she is related to Vontae Davis.
DeepBreath87
Banned
He was ripped relentlessly for that too.
Raven117
Member
Because they play a huge part in her breakdown....
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Raven117
Member
Doesn't change a thing about what we are discussing. And even the article you mentioned it still comes down to pressure. Few of us are saying her decision itself wasn't the right one. The issue is that she still cracked under a crazy amount of pressure....it just manifested itself in the twisties... (its not like she "caught the twisties" like it was a common cold)
U.S. Olympic Committee and U.S. Gymnastics needs to have better support for their athletes when it comes to the mental game. I think we can all agree on that. The pressure on Biles must have been astronomical. But, that said, other atheletes have had that kind of pressure on them....and they overcame it...
But okay.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Mens gymnastics is on (not sure if live or replay). They are doing high bar and turns out you get deducted 0.3 pts if you dont salute the judges when you land! Didn't know that.
You must salute judges after you land before you can celebrate your good run. So a Chinese guy let out a nice gung ho cheer for a good run, but got deducted pts since he forgot the judges.
You must salute judges after you land before you can celebrate your good run. So a Chinese guy let out a nice gung ho cheer for a good run, but got deducted pts since he forgot the judges.
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Chiggs
Gold Member
Apparently, not mentally.
Also, Jay Cutler is the biggest quitter of all time, and a pathetic, whiny bitch.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I was about to comment on it. Yep... Ignoring it just so they can talk smack about Biles...
Also about the Strugg thing, I'm wrong and I admit it. But Karolyi was definitely abusive...
Bela Karolyi accused of horrific abuse of Nadia Comaneci in new book
Hall of Fame gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi and his wife, Martha, face fresh allegations of physical and psychological abuse of young female athletes dating to the 1960s in a newly published book, a…
nypost.com
Karolyi Ranch produced champions and a culture of fear, ex-gymnasts say | CNN
Tucked away in the boondocks of southeast Texas hid the mecca of American women’s gymnastics – a training camp so revered and remote, years of abuse festered unabated, ex-gymnasts say.
Gold medalist Dominique Moceanu warned us 10 years ago about abuse in USA Gymnastics - The World from PRX
When she accused her coaches and father of verbal and physical abuse, nobody listened.
www.pri.org
It wasn't my intention to discred Strug. But by the same token, that's what y'all were doing THIS WHOLE TIME before I even posted in here
Tschumi
Member
Anyone else sick of Irie pacing himself in the backstroke? Probably not. But i am privately annoyed at him trying to squeak through with the bare minimum of times to conserve energy for finals, he didn't get past his heat a few days ago (might have been a semi, either way he didn't make the final) and he just came 4th in the semi for what must be one of his last, if not his very last, discipline (200m) .. seriously dude bust a fucking nut
Edit: well he just snuck in dead last for the final, guess he's either going to explode to gold or be a total nonentity, my money's on the latter
Edit: well he just snuck in dead last for the final, guess he's either going to explode to gold or be a total nonentity, my money's on the latter
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DeepBreath87
Banned
That was the best thing I’ve seen in the Olympics so far. Awesome race.
delirium trigger
Member
They didn't televise the surfing and all I could watch were replays of the qualifying heats and the finals. Missed everything in between and it was a great event.
Raven117
Member
That was awesome! A wrecking ball last 50m
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Going to watch it after I finish AEW.
Raven117
Member
I don’t think anyone was saying he wasn’t as an overall coach.I was about to comment on it. Yep... Ignoring it just so they can talk smack about Biles...
Also about the Strugg thing, I'm wrong and I admit it. But Karolyi was definitely abusive...
Bela Karolyi accused of horrific abuse of Nadia Comaneci in new book
Hall of Fame gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi and his wife, Martha, face fresh allegations of physical and psychological abuse of young female athletes dating to the 1960s in a newly published book, a…
Karolyi Ranch produced champions and a culture of fear, ex-gymnasts say | CNN
Tucked away in the boondocks of southeast Texas hid the mecca of American women’s gymnastics – a training camp so revered and remote, years of abuse festered unabated, ex-gymnasts say.www.cnn.com
Gold medalist Dominique Moceanu warned us 10 years ago about abuse in USA Gymnastics - The World from PRX
When she accused her coaches and father of verbal and physical abuse, nobody listened.
It wasn't my intention to discred Strug. But by the same token, that's what y'all were doing THIS WHOLE TIME before I even posted in here
Fair enough on Keri and we can leave it. (She is awesome…. And just watching that video again is inspirational).
Only idiots would discredit the achievements of Biles. Not even worth engaging. The discussion to be had is really about the mental game of all athletes and what the US Olympic/ gymnastics can do to help their athletes perform at their highest level which also means the mental game.
Raven117
Member
The announcer is awesome…he was in shock
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I hate missing the games... I can only catch snippets. I'm getting frustrated by my schedule at work.
Apeopleman
Member
They made a J. Cole joke lol
Tschumi
Member
I'm not usually a booboy to professional sportspeople, but yeah if she wasn't injured then that's pretty rank.. sounds like the goat not wanting to try if she's not nailed on for gold.. sour taste
That said, i have no fucking idea what her mental troubles are and they could be entirely, 100% just causes for abstention. I don't know, and i won't assume.
Xenon
Member
I respect Biles decision to pull out, it is her choice. I ended up watching the whole thing on the replay. The one thing that really struck me when watching it was the reaction of the sports announcers and journalists. They kept on saying that she was under so much pressure from the country.. But the funny thing is it wasn't the country who was propping her up on a pedestal and making it seem like she was the greatest athlete ever, building expectations to almost unrealistic proportions. It was them. But now that that pressure resulted in her leaving the competition , they throw the blame on the country. These people have 0% self awareness.
When I saw what happened and heard heard about her pointing out put the 1st thing that went into my head was safety. That makes sense to me, but she herself never really said that. So I'm not really sure what to think here. But I do agree that this is not some heroic thing. Matt Walsh has a pretty decent video on it. The example at the end is especially poignant considering I witnessed it live. Though I think she does deserve credit for going back on that floor and supporting her team throughout the rest of the competition.
When I saw what happened and heard heard about her pointing out put the 1st thing that went into my head was safety. That makes sense to me, but she herself never really said that. So I'm not really sure what to think here. But I do agree that this is not some heroic thing. Matt Walsh has a pretty decent video on it. The example at the end is especially poignant considering I witnessed it live. Though I think she does deserve credit for going back on that floor and supporting her team throughout the rest of the competition.
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Amory
Member
I've fully come around on Biles withdrawing to protect her mental and physical well being. Who am I to judge? I'll even refrain from calling it quitting. I know literally nothing about being a gymnast.
But Christ lets not pretend the mental health of these athletes is something everyday people need to bother themselves with or educate themselves about. The media can fuck off with trying to make this a "conversation about mental health". We all have our own issues to deal with and no one cares about Average Joe's problems. Some of us don't even have health insurance.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Didnt know this till now (and I googled it for confirmation). Mens boxing has no more head gear. They got rid of it in 2016 Olympics. The reasoning was that head gear lead to more concussions?!?! But here I am watching a match between some French guy and Tajikistan guy (never knew this was a country).
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I didnt think surfing was great at all. At least the segment I saw on TV. They showed some surfing the other day on one of the channels where I live.
All these channels (I got a mix of NBC, CBC and some sports channels) are constantly shifting around from event to event. You never know what they'll show and when they'll cut out to something else. Sometimes they show the full segment, sometimes they move around and show an event, show something else, then come back to it later. It's all over the place.
Right now on TSN, it looks like they are showing mens heavyweight boxing matches in full.
Except alot of people in this thread are discussing it like the outcome of continuing is just doing the apparatuses badly. That's not the case, you sometimes end up doing the wrong move and then are liable to pick up a serious injury.
As people said, she did it for the score and physical safety (before mental) to not hurt the team, simply there are valid reasons and you don't like them.
Different is with the AA and the other finals, she could do simplified programs.
Danusa Francis from GB did the bars with a broken cruciate ligament, just few elements to show everyone she was there at the Olympics.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good point. But that sounds more like a strategy for success later. Like a boxer or MMA fighter quitting for a few rounds doing nothing to save energy for the later rounds.
Biles wasnt saving energy for other events.
She literally quit the entire Olympics (even the individual event).
Has it been confirmed that she has pulled out of the individuals events?
Biles has yet to confirm whether she will compete in the individual apparatus finals, which start on Sunday, saying she will take "each day as it comes".
From https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/58008278
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
She stated she's quitting yesterday in the afternoon.
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."
That's referring to the all-around competition, not the individual apparatuses later this week.She stated she's quitting yesterday in the afternoon.
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."www.espn.com
USA Gymnastics said Biles will be evaluated before deciding if she will participate in next week's individual events.
From the article
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Kenpachii
Member
If that prevented somebody else from competing otherwise in her spot, she should be banned from future Olympics then. that's a scuffed move, unless u got some heath issue's created by a event on the olympics like injuring yourself.
If nobody else suffers from that decision, she can just go and call it quits.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Not sure what you mean. She's not doing the event later today. Is there more women's events after it?
That article I posted is about the event later today.
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