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Tomb Raider |OT| Lara's Misfortune
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NullPointer
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John McClane is a hardened cop and he gets the shit beat out of him doing less than Lara does in this game.
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NullPointer
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I don't mind all the punishment Lara takes in this. I've seen enough of the same or worse in movies and games. Would be nice to keep some of the scars visible in future games.
Do they make it clear that it's a point of no return?
SlowRevolution
Member
the chickens in this game have no will to live at all
Hunting animals in general is too easy
Hunting animals in general is too easy
I guess that's possibly a spoiler, but yes, they say it.
What does this have to do with TR lol?
Everyone can like different types of games.
Hey man I beat Tomb Raider when I was a kid! The 10-11 year old in me would scoff at this new Tomb Raider.
Yeah, but the dissonance with how the marketing and a lot of people view the game as being "more realistic and grounded" is annoying. This game is way more over the top than any previous Tomb Raider.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
10-14 year old me, playing Battletoads, Blaster Master, Mega Man 1 & 2... Man, he scoffs at the shit I play now constantly. Some of it is my own fault though.
I think the difference is the old games were fairly consistent thematically. For this entry, either the combat needs to be dialed back enough to be believable, or the narrative needs to be dialed up as far past 11 as the combat for the game to be thematically consistent. (Admittedly, I'm not even halfway through yet.)
The game wants to be taken too seriously. It either needs to be a tense, believable, harrowing horror/adventure with more gravitas than bombast, or go full-on grindhouse and have Lara's brain snap like a twig in the first hour to justify everything she does to these guys later.
Cool, cool, cool.
This game is about as realistic and grounded as RE4.
When you finish the game, you can hit continue from the menu and do whatever you've missed afterwards. I didn't really see a reason to finish everything before going past the point of no return, except maybe to gather some more salvage to upgrade my weapons.
I was responding to this
Danny-boy said:
I love the desperate, desperate elitism in this thread.
Hoping for less QTE's and more tombs, but yeah, can't wait for TR2 also.
Sanctuary
Member
Oh, I agree that the "sim" aspect seemed like it would be a drag, especially if it was poorly implemented like the majority of games have it. My main gripe though is simply that this is supposed to be a "fresh" Lara. She's not hardened or seasoned at all yet. But she's more durable in this incarnation than she has ever been. She also goes from "OH MY GOD..."
after her first kill, to a heartless ninja assassin who can headshot with a bow better than is humanly possible.
Game isn't perfect, but I'm glad I played it. I think the best thing that it does though is the atmosphere. It's incredible.
The only person who couldn't figure out where the plot was going was Lara. I can't believe they thought they had a plot twist.
I don't think they will be doing the survival gimmick again but I really, really want to see the Bow return. Slowly crafting the bow from a simple weapon to a killing machine yet making it a great companion for exploring/traversing was about the only thing that felt like a unique experience in TR compared to other AAA games.
Oh and hopefully Lara learns to swim in the next game and doesn't get her head crushed by a sea rock when trying to swim.
Oh and hopefully Lara learns to swim in the next game and doesn't get her head crushed by a sea rock when trying to swim.
Winterfang
Banned
Hey guys, is there any great Youtube play-through of this game?
I didn't mean the 'twist',
the story ended up being super disappointing in the sense that it all seemed to play out exactly as you'd expect from the premise, I meant thinking about how I'd end it, I thought the best way to do it would be to end dual welding pistols to kill an antagonist
I dunno based on
the book she's holding at the end
So Derrick01, what do you think of Tomb Raider? Rate it a 7?
It's funny but the narrative is probably worse than our worst possible nightmares of how the narrative would turn out; but then, that's why I don't anticipate stories in games. Same ancient story as old as time. Game stories just can't stop sucking ass.
Well if they do the survival theme again then they better flesh out the survival elements this time around.
He already gave it a 4/10.
Sanctuary
Member
That's okay. Earlier
he told his minions to "kill her", but instead they just knock her out.
Also, has anyone else seen the movie The Descent? The
Geothermal Caverns
He would also make a hella bad game reviewer. Even the harshest objective (yeah I know...) reviewer couldn't give it less than a 6/10. I can't remember ever playing a game that was even a 5/10 ever, and this isn't anywhere near that bad. If all you're doing is comparing it to past Tomb Raider games and coming in with these gigantic expectations (hype), instead of reviewing it for what it is, you're doing it wrong.
Oh how utterly delightful probably a bit too high for my tastes, you gotta link to his post?
Wait, the magic of thread searching is upon us now... *searches*
DeadRockstar
Member
Definitely the funniest death in the game. It basically retcons the way you fell into the water so she can hit her head. So awkward.
I agree about the your other points as well. The bow's utility over the game was pretty satisfying. I preferred it in general combat as well, over the guns.
No, they need to cut them out completely. It was pretense here, but it'd be even worse if they try it again; it would make absolutely no sense.
The current slams her into the rock. The funny part is that no matter where you fall into the water at she always somehow finds the exact same rock.
DeadRockstar
Member
I think the game has too much of a focus on the cinematic for them to ever develop the survival element past gimmick status. Assuming the sequel will follow on, I agree that it's probably best they leave that idea alone.
They also need to make the next game just be about Lara and not have that god awful crew following her around. I hope they show in the next game that the crew thinks Lara is nuts for going out on an expedition again despite almost getting killed so many times in this one. At least that's what I thought when I saw the ending...
*Goes through hell on an island and narrowly escaping death at every turn.
*"Yeah I am going on another ghost island next... before my wounds have even properly healed"
Lara is clearly portrayed as an adventure addict/thrill seeker by the time the game ends. I mean that's the only way I can explain her action at the end.
*"Yeah I am going on another ghost island next... before my wounds have even properly healed"
Lara is clearly portrayed as an adventure addict/thrill seeker by the time the game ends. I mean that's the only way I can explain her action at the end.
Or perhaps the origin story/prequel to Far Cry 3 of how Lara Croft and her crew find Rook Island, with Vaas going insane and murdering all of them except for Lara.
I'd play that.
That's part of the problem with the narrative. She's already an adventurer and thrill seeker BEFORE THE GAME. The scared lack of confidence parts feel forced. The only thing that really changes about her personality by the end of the game is her skepticism.
Ah OK I didn't really feel that in the game with the way they told the narrative but I guess I can buy that more.
She talks about adventures she used to go on. She's been exploring ruins since she was a little kid, and she's had survival training. One of the documents you find talks about how she and Sam have been around the world exploring ruins and climbing mountains and how Lara is more concerned with exploration than anything else. This is just her first experience with entire armies of guys.
Ideal Tomb Raider narrative
Lara Croft enters a tomb
"Fuck yeah lets raid this bitch"
Rest of the game only has about a paragraphs worth of dialogue; some dialogue explaining the nature of the artifact/relic you're after, and one or two little shit comments like "OH FUCK ME I'M FALLING TO MY DEATH BECAUSE PLATFORMING ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING IN THIS GAME AHHHH"
Wrap it up in a bow; narrative is automatically better than all these try-too-hard nonsense games.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you went there, I thought your post came across at least as uncomfortably.
Personally, I question why someone would eat nothing but junk food because of the health concerns and the fact that I don't necessarily share the appeal, not because I think they must simply be morons and I must not be.
NullPointer
Member
Sold.
But how will I relate to Lara if I don't have numerous unskippable cutscenes forced on me?
I would make a bad reviewer because I use the whole scale. 5/10 is average and 4 is slightly below average, which in fact I feel like I was being kind to TR by giving it that. But since the status quo for AAA games is mediocrity this fits the bill nicely.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=49302783&postcount=6532
Well they can have an option in the options menu... we'll call said option the "Rather be watching movies than playing games" option. It'll automatically insert 13 new cutscenes that are completely incongruous with the gameplay and increase the number of explosions and QTEs 5x.
Actually this would be a brilliant idea if more games had an option like that! I'd shut off the cutscenes in almost every game I played
Derrick01 said:
Thanks man. I found it a minute or two earlier... very interesting read. Given that I already knew you'd be negative on it (because it was obvious the problems the game has to people like you or I), it seems you have a fairly well thought out perspective on the issues the game has.
DeadRockstar
Member
The problem with a lot of game stories is that they put in enough effort to make something of a reasonable length and passable quality, but not enough to go all the way to worthwhile.
It's a slippery slope as well. You start trying to write a good story and before you know it Liquid Snake lives on as an arm attached to another person. At least there's something to be said for entertainingly over the top.
It's a slippery slope as well. You start trying to write a good story and before you know it Liquid Snake lives on as an arm attached to another person. At least there's something to be said for entertainingly over the top.
They would never relegate cutscenes to an optional feature simply because they spend too much time and resources on it. Plus the journalist love high concept cutscenes and Hollywood scripted events.
Only way this trend will die is if the press and the gamers reject this model and the companies lose millions because they wasted their budget on flashier cutscenes. Sadly that isn't going to happen anytime soon because journalists still get money hatted in spades.
Only way this trend will die is if the press and the gamers reject this model and the companies lose millions because they wasted their budget on flashier cutscenes. Sadly that isn't going to happen anytime soon because journalists still get money hatted in spades.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
In all fairness, at least they let you skip them on the first playthrough.
They don't, not all of them. A lot of the cutscenes are there to mask the loading time so if the game hasn't loaded yet you are forced to watch them.
DeadRockstar
Member
SSD man.
KefkaPalazzo
Member
Great game so far...sad to see its bringing out the worst of some of GAF and making Pachter look justified in his hate.
And in defense of Tomb Raider, I suppose I'd rather sit through a dreadful cutscene to mask loading then a black screen
KefkaPalazzo said:
The worst of GAF = people going through great lengths to explain their problems (and likes) about a game?