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Tomb Raider |OT| Lara's Misfortune
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Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Hadn't run across this yet, that kinda sucks - but then again yeah, what's worse, a cutscene or a loading screen?
What really sucks is when you're in some highly directed portion of a game, and skipping the cutscene results in an equal amount of time wasted trying to find the spot they wanted you to run towards to start the next cutscene.
People who dislike the game generally make long, reasonable posts on why they don't like it.
I see nothing wrong with that, not everyone is going to like the game. I personally find it average at best but you don't see me going around making comments like this towards people who like the game.
sublimit
Banned
toddhunter
Member
What I hate are the forced "walking" loading sections. Its the same in mass effect 1. Masking loading is all good, but when you can do it in seconds on my PC just throw up a loading screen and get me back into the action. I shouldn't be forced to go through the whole thing when the game loaded 30 seconds ago.
I think a source of conflict is to me it is very much a "4 hours in loving it this game is awesome"...."finished it, meh wish there was more depth to it" kind of game. People will have a hard time accepting the later criticisms when they are having such a blast in the early game. I think the weight of opinion will change in a few more days towards the negative but those who love it will probably be able to articulate their points a lot better.
KefkaPalazzo
Member
Right, because most of the hate for the game here has been backed up with well thought reasoning.And in defense of Tomb Raider, I suppose I'd rather sit through a dreadful cutscene to mask loading then a black screen
The worst of GAF = people going through great lengths to explain their problems (and likes) about a game?
I agree with the most of your points, especially with the embarrasing AI. Still a fun game to play, but in the end it was more of a throw away experience.
NullPointer
Member
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Every piece of goodwill I had for this game goes to the crapper from
Cliche as hell.
Shantytown on.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
How much of this thread have you actually read?
Please share what you enjoyed about it, no one is trying to chase you off.
Sounds about right.
The best portion of the game is after you beat the game and you are going back to find all the collectibles.
No cutscenes, no QTEs, no scripted events, very limited enemies that can be dispatched by melee combat and just you against the environment. I still died plenty of times trying to make some jump and fell from a great height trying to get to that last nest of eggs.
That one was a bit tricky, I figured it out by accident.
You have to "block" the source of electricity from the water.
It absolutely has. In excruciating, agonizing detail, even. With essay-length posts, even. So if you do want to suggest such things, I can almost guarantee you I can point out any individual you have in mind and their corresponding hugely detailed post describing precisely why they have problems with this game.
And I can point out similar posts for those who love the game. So what you need to do is stop taking your love of a product personally, because it's clouding how you see people's behavior. Stop trying to generalize how people are acting.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Do you want a hint?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Depends how you play it, although it may leave less to do after
You pull the raft underneath the electrical device so that it doesn't electrocute the water
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I should have done this. I really should have done this
Also you can't get every item in an area without having all your equipment. Some stuff you can get early but is so much easier when you come back to it after beating the game. Like those statues you have to light at the beginning, they required a light source for you to light up your touch but later on you get a fire starter so you turn it on whenever.
Game is 10-12 hours on Hard. Length varies depending upon how hard you try to go collectibles and optimal tombs.
Game is 10-12 hours on Hard. Length varies depending upon how hard you try to go collectibles and optimal tombs.
toddhunter
Member
Depends how you play. There is a lot of optional collecting and the difficulty mode doesn't change anything in this regard.
Somewhere between 10-15 hours will see you through if you have a decent go of getting it all. You could probably half that if you just want to blow through it (which would be a complete waste of what little is there).
Excellent, thanks! Rental here I come next week.
toddhunter
Member
Sorry meant 10-15 :| I guess you could factor in another 10 or so hours of multiplayer...although that is about 9 hours of waiting for games to start.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah definitely rent. Unless you love going for the 100%
Even better.
TAS
Member
That's what I figured. Ok thanks. That definitely won't give me enough time to complete it by Tuesday (GOW) so I'll have to temporarily put it on the backburner.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
you can spend 20 hours easy if you don't use survival instinct and combine that with trying to collect every little doodad
You can get 100% in single player even in a rental. The only hard part is completing the challenges as they don't show up on your map. The relics, journals and GPS caches are revealed on the map when you get the treasure map for the area.
Survival instinct makes things easier but not required. Its not like its going to help you find those microscopic GPS caches unless you use your map.
Survival instinct makes things easier but not required. Its not like its going to help you find those microscopic GPS caches unless you use your map.
PCG tends to give pretty good reviews outside of Bioware games. I don't know why but Bioware games make them go full-retard. If anyone thinks I'm bluffing go to metacritic and read the PCG summary on Dragon Age 2.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah if you didn't use survival you could get that kind of mileage.
Good point.
I'm going through the game using only the bow(trying everything I can to make the combat interesting) except for when the tin can dudes come out and revisiting areas as I get the upgrades for them. Even with that I am hovering at 11 hours right now and I figure I got 2 left at the most. Plus another 2 to complete.
also maybe if you try to hunt the island free of jackrabbits and deer and build a hut out of their skeletons for shelter, that'd add another 2 hours
Sanctuary
Member
I really don't see how 5/10 can possibly be conisdered "average" when it's a failure. Even "using the whole scale".
Anyway, I agree with a lot of your points in your summary, but then you decided to focus more on the negative aspects and left out some aspects that actually matter. This shouldn't be on any GOTY list, and I would probably feel disappointed if I had actually paid retail for it. As a rental though, it was at least worth playing once.
There are enough skeletons in the game to make a palace out of.
5 is average using the 1-10 scale as it's right in the middle. In the industry a 7.5 is closer to the average but the industry uses the school letter grade so a 7.5 is a C for most.
Most of my negatives were gameplay focused. Gameplay's the only thing that matters in the end.
And a 5/10 is not a failure, we're not going by American school standards here. I will not use the 7-10 scale in judging a game. You can go read game informer if you want that.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
HAHA If I could fashion Lara a Crockett hat I would devote a depressing amount of time in this pursuit.
That was one of the best parts in the game.
Sanctuary
Member
Much of the game kept reminding me of so many other games I've played, as though Crystal Dynamics had a committee deciding which elements and set pieces from other (well selling) games they should rip off.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
The only parts that gave me that thought was the set pieces. Some of them are really bad which is unfortunate because the game is at its strongest when its letting you just tackle things at the pace you want instead of being interrupted by another janky looking falling apart house,bridge,plane.ect...
toddhunter
Member
NullPointer
Member
Did that section last night and was the first true interactive high point for me.
Basically, if the enemies are already in the environment and milling about on patrols or the like, it can be a really fun skirmish. If the enemies are triggered to pop out from multiple locations, in waves, regardless of how stealthy you're being, the combat falls flat. For me anyway. Because then its just a matter of firing from cover until you're barraged with explosives or molotovs, scramble to alternate cover, repeat.
I disliked most of the publicity but am really enjoying the game. It's not quite what I would want from an ideal TR game, but it's much, much nearer than the publicity made it look! Just the fact that right from the start you know they're looking for a lost culture makes it more TR than I'd gathered. And the new Lara is a superb variation on classic Lara.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
The only time cut-scenes get in the way of gameplay are if they aren't skipable and if they are have loading afterwards.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
They aren't skippable.
Yep, feel the same way. Batman: Arkham Asylum, Uncharted, Prince of Persia 2008, Assassins Creed and Metal Gear Solid vibes are all over this game.
Pfft, you and I both know gameplay is not the -only- thing that matters in the end
We're not one of the sheeple who try to pretend visuals and other aspects of the presentation are unimportant for our gaming cred; we know what VIDYAgames are all about, yo! To freedom and a visual tomorrow!