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[Hypnotoad]

So the guy just walks into Germany, is denied, but gets to stay anyway? How does any of that make sense?

Well, some recent deportations included rejected asylum seekers who have been in Germany illegally for 25 years, have a criminal record and still received welfare during this whole period. Germany has a laughable numbers of repatriation agreements. Earlier this year, negotiations with North African governments to allow deportations of criminal Algerians, Moroccons et. did achieve more of less nothing. Not to mention that some state governments explicitly shy away from deportations, among them Berlin.

 

[Dalibor68]

No clue, but it gets worse: http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/suche-tatverdaechtiger-103.html

Google Translate:


So this guy was already going around through Europe from 2012, used 8(!) different identities, was even registered in 2 places in Germany when applying for asylum, and was in contact with known terrorists.

Complete failure on every level if this is true. There will need to be a lot of consequences within the government and intelligence agencies after the immediate threat has been dealt with.

 

[Vindicator]

so the attacker placed his identity card under the drivers seat?
why?

Dat Martyrdom fame.

 

[Betty]

I mean Germany has had to deal with a massive influx of immigrants and asylum seekers, is it really so hard to believe someone slipped through the cracks or that simple human error missed out someone.

 

[Buzzati]

Yeah, guys - the illegal immigrant criminal with 4 identities graciously placed his real information under the seat for the police to find.

 

[Dalibor68]

Yeah, guys - the criminal with 4 identities graciously placed his real information under the seat for the police to find.

Afaik this has happened before.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I mean Germany has had to deal with a massive influx of immigrants and asylum seekers, is it really so hard to believe someone slipped through the cracks or that simple human error missed out someone.

No, but that is the whole point against letting in so many people.

And if this guy was already in Europe from 2012, that means he has been walking around for 4 years already. It shows the different systems throughout the EU aren't catching these things, and that people can just apply everywhere and try again and again instead of being deported. Which leads to actually less places for real refugees. Plus, he was arrested for an actual crime, but still let go (not smart to do with people who don't have local ties, since they can just run easily) and was in contact with terrorists!

 

[mnz]

I mean Germany has had to deal with a massive influx of immigrants and asylum seekers, is it really so hard to believe someone slipped through the cracks or that simple human error missed out someone.

Not really a case of slipping through with the "tolerated" status and all the other info. More like incompetence on how to deal with that.

 

[Hjod]

Yeah, guys - the illegal immigrant criminal with 4 identities graciously placed his real information under the seat for the police to find.

It's more likely that he was injured and left DNA in the truck, he's known to the police, they get a DNA match and thats why they know whom they're looking for.

 

[Buzzati]

It's more likely that he was injured and left DNA in the truck, he's known to the police, they get a DNA match and thats why they know whom they're looking for.

They're talking about a recovered ID card. I understand the police can corroborate it with evidence, but it's likely not going to be a lead.

 

[Hjod]

They're talking about a recovered ID card

I know, I was more pointing out that the ID-card is not the only thing they have to go on.

 

[Nicktendo86]

Any idea as to why the mugshots released of the suspect have his eyes covered? Kinda defeats the purpose of a manhunt, no?

 

[Imp the Dimp]

The ID matter sounds a little fishy but I'm sure the police is wary too. Hope they find the perp ASAP.

 

[Xando]

Any idea as to why the mugshots released of the suspect have his eyes covered? Kinda defeats the purpose of a manhunt, no?

They aren't officially from police. Official publication is still pending approval from a judge apparently

 

[Henkka]

Yeah, guys - the illegal immigrant criminal with 4 identities graciously placed his real information under the seat for the police to find.

I'm sure the cops are aware it might be an intentional misdirection. I don't see why it would be, though... You don't drive a truck into a crowd expecting to get away

 

[ClosingADoor]

More information about the suspect is available from NDR, WDR and Süddeutscher Zeitung:

Anis A. is said to have been known to the police. He was arrested in August in Friedrichshafen with a fake Italian passport document and released a little later. He was reported to be in an asylum seeker's shelter in Emmerich, where he was ex officio.

The Tunisian moved in the context of the preacher Ahmad Abdelazziz A., called Abu Walaa, who was arrested in November. Anis A. is said to have lived with the former Boban S.. S. had been arrested simultaneously with Abu Walaa. Boban S. is accused of being arrested for the armed Jihad and becoming known to the IS.

Anis A. is said to have asked a man, who was the source of the police in North Rhine-Westphalia, whether this shotgun can get. The police should also have supervised the telecommunications of A. This makes the case also politically more and more explosive. An investigator, who spoke with NDR, WDR and Süddeutscher Zeitung, said he did not know why Anis A. could escape the police's field of view. In December, A. is supposed to be submerged.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

 

[Saiyu]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

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[Mr. Giggles]

Did they catch this prick yet?

 

[Ros8105]

No clue, but it gets worse: http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/suche-tatverdaechtiger-103.html

Google Translate:


So this guy was already going around through Europe from 2012, used 8(!) different identities, was even registered in 2 places in Germany when applying for asylum, and was in contact with known terrorists.

Wow. Just wait for these guys to kill people and then they might arrest him, or not.

 

[KingSnake]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

How can this happen? There is no punishment for using a faked ID?

 

[Audioboxer]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

That is pretty appalling if it did indeed play out like that.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

No clue, but it gets worse: http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/suche-tatverdaechtiger-103.html

Google Translate:


So this guy was already going around through Europe from 2012, used 8(!) different identities, was even registered in 2 places in Germany when applying for asylum, and was in contact with known terrorists.

Smh, why are the systems so lax? Registered in 2 places and apply for asylum should've been a red flag

 

[ClosingADoor]

How can this happen? There is no punishment for using a faked ID?

No clue. Apparently he was set for deportation Spiegel reports, but it is unclear if that was carried out and he returned, or if he was never deported in the end.

In the summer of 2016, finally, the authorities had enough. Confidential documents show that Anis A. should be deported. According to a decision of the District Court of Ravensburg, A. was to be transferred to a detention center on 30 July in the local correctional facility. It is unclear whether the deportation was carried out or that the man returned to Germany after his deportation.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/anschlag-in-berlin-polizei-sucht-tunesier-a-1126931.html

Also, someone last night DDOSed the website put up for the public to upload their images and videos of the attack for the police. Although I feel it is a bit unclear whether this was actually a DDOS or just an overload being called that. Website was down for about 2 hours last night.

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...iff-auf-hinweisportal-des-bka_id_6387429.html

 

[spekkeh]

Well, some recent deportations included rejected asylum seekers who have been in Germany illegally for 25 years, have a criminal record and still received welfare during this whole period. Germany has a laughable numbers of repatriation agreements. Earlier this year, negotiations with North African governments to allow deportations of criminal Algerians, Moroccons et. did achieve more of less nothing. Not to mention that some state governments explicitly shy away from deportations, among them Berlin.

I don't get it, I mean if there's anything the EU should be good for is putting the squeeze on countries who don't want to take back their own citizens.
You don't want to sign a repatriation agreement? We'll escalate it and make sure you don't get access to the European market. You get away with this nonsense quickly, and maybe the far right is not so anti EU anymore.

 

[| Praxis |]

Why are people being given asylum from countries like Tunisia?

Do you think I could claim asylum from the UK due to the Tories?

 

[Tugatrix]

Update on actual topic:

Police has found DNA and fingerprints of suspect from the truck. Polish driver also apparently injured attacker before being killed

Police searching ambulances and hospitals

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...hndungserfolg-fuer-realistisch-a-1126885.html (german source)


Edit: Apparently police is searching for a tunesian suspect
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/anschlag-in-berlin-polizei-sucht-tunesier-a-1126931.html

Press conferences at 1pm (2 hours from now)

Now seems like they got it right, no more speculation

 

[Audioboxer]

No clue. Apparently he was set for deportation Spiegel reports, but it is unclear if that was carried out and he returned, or if he was never deported in the end.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/anschlag-in-berlin-polizei-sucht-tunesier-a-1126931.html

Also, someone last night DDOSed the website put up for the public to upload their images and videos of the attack for the police. Although I feel it is a bit unclear whether this was actually a DDOS or just an overload being called that. Website was down for about 2 hours last night.

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...iff-auf-hinweisportal-des-bka_id_6387429.html

Probably just overloaded by people going on it. It has international attention.

Also not sure why they have blurred the guys picture? Unless this is an unofficial "release"? In which case, yeah, should wait for the police to do their official briefing.

Why are people being given asylum from countries like Tunisia?

Do you think I could claim asylum from the UK due to the Tories?

If you come join an independent Scotland I'll make a case for you and any other English/Welsh/NI folks lol.

 

[MisterFalcon]

This is an almost exact repeat of the failed attack on a French police station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2016_Paris_police_station_attack

-Tunsisan national, check
-Asylum seeker shopping for asylum all over Europe, check
-Many false identities, check
-Known ISIS sympathiser, check

 

[D4Danger]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

And this is just one example. Times this shit show by a million and you might begin to understand why open door immigration is dangerous and unworkable and the people who raise questions aren't all just far right racists.

 

[astroturfing]

should every truck driver in Europe be armed with something? this can't happen anymore.

 

[Kinyou]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...iger-beantragte-asyl-in-deutschland-1.3304352
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/12/2...rche-verwacht-snel-nieuwe-aanhouding-a1537716

So he was arrested with a fake passport. Then released. Then he could apply for asylum (yet again?). Afterwards he was in contact with ISIS sympathizers who have later been arrested. And he asked a police source if they could get him a shotgun.

They monitored his phone, maybe they wanted to map out his network or something. But damn if this isn't again showing how European countries need to step their game up in just arresting people instead of letting them walk around.

Even if this guy didn't do this attack, he should be off the streets as soon as possible.

Starts to sound like a big failure by the authorities

 

[Audioboxer]

should every truck driver in Europe be armed with something? this can't happen anymore.

I think the GPS tracking is suppose to be somewhat of a security measure to try and pickup on suspicious behaviour. Gun laws are pretty strict in most European countries so it isn't that easy to obtain an illegal gun in the first place. As above though it seems this suspect was actively trying to get a shotgun?

 

[Alx]

This is an almost exact repeat of the failed attack on a French police station.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2016_Paris_police_station_attack

-Tunsisan national, check
-Asylum seeker shopping for asylum all over Europe, check
-Many false identities, check
-Known ISIS sympathiser, check

A common observation among all attack perpetrators, but also the reason why it's hard to anticipate them. Most of them are just petty criminals who happen to browse islamist websites. You can't really lock someone up for that, or you'd have to stuff tens of thousands of people into jail.

 

[Audioboxer]

A common observation among all attack perpetrators, but also the reason why it's hard to anticipate them. Most of them are just petty criminals who happen to browse islamist websites. You can't really lock someone up for that, or you'd have to stuff tens of thousands of people into jail.

Fake passports (identity fraud) are a pretty serious crime and red flag.

 

[| Praxis |]

A common observation among all attack perpetrators, but also the reason why it's hard to anticipate them. Most of them are just petty criminals who happen to browse islamist websites. You can't really lock someone up for that, or you'd have to stuff tens of thousands of people into jail.

If you're an asylum seeker, and a petty criminal you should be deported quickly. Sorry if that's not pc, but fuck that.

 

[mnz]

Fake passports are actually a big issue of dispute between the federal administration and the states. Many states are unhappy about testing methods, handling of offenders etc. Some have even confiscated data from the federal office.

 

[Orniletter]

I don't get it, I mean if there's anything the EU should be good for is putting the squeeze on countries who don't want to take back their own citizens.
You don't want to sign a repatriation agreement? We'll escalate it and make sure you don't get access to the European market. You get away with this nonsense quickly, and maybe the far right is not so anti EU anymore.

Seriously, we give african countries literal millions in developing funds (as we absolutely can ans should, mind you), the least these cointries could do is play ball with us.

The EU should throw it's weight around more often in general.

 

[Bl@de]

So the guy just walks into Germany, is denied, but gets to stay anyway? How does any of that make sense?

That's what happens when you have uncontrolled immigration and no deportation. Thanks Merkel CDU/SPD coalition.

 

[EloKa]

And this is just one example. Times this shit show by a million and you might begin to understand why open door immigration is dangerous and unworkable and the people who raise questions aren't all just far right racists.

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.

That's what happens when you have uncontrolled immigration and no deportation. Thanks Merkel CDU/SPD coalition.

stop.

 

[Audioboxer]

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.


stop.

That is unfortunately how some of these people do get in. Masquerading as refugees. Fake DOB's, fake identities, and just being able to slip through due to the Government and border/immigration control not having the time or resources to handle 800k+ coming in at once.

Even if they haven't come in at the same time as refugees, with the overwhelming focus on trying to sort through the refugee numbers who is working on cases of current illegals? There probably isn't a lot of resources being kept back to keep an eye on current internal affairs. In other words the Government cannot responsibly handle all its duties around immigration and deportation. Which is an offshoot problem of mass immigration all at once.

 

[mnz]

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.

If he has a "Duldungsausweis", doesn't that mean he's probably a rejected asylum seeker?

 

[ittoryu]

I like how many people are righfully calling for others to be deported, expelled etc, (also rightfully so in some cases), but fail to answer the most basic questions:

1) Where are you expelling this person to?
2) How are you planning to have this super efficient police force, tribunals, prisons, systems to kick people out of the country? Are you willing to get your pensions cut? Because, sort of a news-not-news really, many countries don't have the money or the actual infrastructure to have something like this in place.

 

[El Topo]

The EU should throw it's weight around more often in general.

EU as a whole did not bother to support Southern Europe for more than ten years. No one bothered to draft a European answer, even though experts have been predicting rising immigration for many years. No one bothered to spend money on this for obvious reasons. This is a general failure of Europe. Not just politics, but the public as well, that wanted to pretend that by ignoring a problem it would go away.

 

[Dalibor68]

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.


stop.

It has everything to do with open door immigration because that allowed him to come here in the first place.

I like how many people are righfully calling for others to be deported, expelled etc, (also rightfully so in some cases), but fail to answer the most basic questions:

1) Where are you expelling this person to?
2) How are you planning to have this super efficient police force, tribunals, prisons, systems to kick people out of the country? Are you willing to get your pensions cut? Because, sort of a news-not-news really, many countries don't have the money or the actual infrastructure to have something like this in place.

1) Where they came from, if non-refoulement allows it, and assuming there are contracts with the origin countries (and if there aren't then putting proper economic pressure on those countries)
2) Interesting. Yet there seems to be enough money to afford a million of refugees, their rent, german courses and other stuff while the budget is still net positive at the end of the year

 

[Chuckie]

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.

He was registered at an center for asylum seekers. That has to do with immigration.

 

[Audioboxer]

I like how many people are righfully calling for others to be deported, expelled etc, (also rightfully so in some cases), but fail to answer the most basic questions:

1) Where are you expelling this person to?
2) How are you planning to have this super efficient police force, tribunals, prisons, systems to kick people out of the country? Are you willing to get your pensions cut? Because, sort of a news-not-news really, many countries don't have the money or the actual infrastructure to have something like this in place.

As for 1) the aim is to send them back to the country they left in the first place. If that is not do-able then they should be locked up and/or tried in the country they are in for some of the abuses we see, such as identity fraud and criminal offenses.

If it's not do-able due to an EU country trying to shift their responsibility, then their place in the EU should come under sanction/threat. It is their responsibility to handle their citizens, especially on legal matters.

 

[Bollocks]

This case has literally nothing to do with "open door immigration" because the guy that they are looking for is no refugee.


stop.

please don't spread misinformation.
Just read one of the links in this thread

Über den Verdächtigen: Die Behörden fahnden nach Informationen von SZ, NDR und WDR bundesweit nach dem Tunesier Anis A., der als terroristischer Gefährder eingestuft ist. Er kam im Juli 2015 nach Deutschland und beantragte hier Asyl

 

[EloKa]

If he has a "Duldungsausweis", doesn't that mean he's probably a rejected asylum seeker?

Exactly.

It has everything to do with open door immigration because that allowed him to come here in the first place.

even you could come here - apply for asylum and get rejected. No open door needed.

please don't spread misinformation.
Just read one of the links in this thread

You are aware that refugees do not get asylum, right? Or do you just throw some words around without knowing their definition?

 

[El Topo]

It has everything to do with open door immigration because that allowed him to come here in the first place.

Did he magically skip countries, or did other countries decide to let refugees through so they would be the problem of someone else? This is the result of ignoring the problem for decades.
Also given that you are still around, have you found an answer to what I asked for in #1006 yet?

 

[mnz]

Exactly.

Well then it is a failure of the system, since he's obviously still in the country.