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[Mr. Giggles]

Well... I'm with Trump in the context of having all members of NATO share the financial burden equally.

As ignorant as I am on the whole topic :/

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

why is the world still surprised?

 

[Bronx-Man]

Would we be even more of a laughingstock on the world stage than when Bush was in office? It seems hard to top Mission Accomplished and freedom fries.

 

[PeskyToaster]

So we would basically turn these countries into tributary puppet states. Not a bad idea. Security in exchange for money.

 

[CoolOff]

Need to divert some of that support money to Israel, amirite?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Agreed. In case of a Trump presidency, America needs to be ostracized economically and militarily. No more American troops stationed in other nations, no more American products being sold outside the US. This needs to hurt.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The American troops in Korea and Japan are there for a reason. Eastern Europe likes the American troops there and asked for more. Countries around China and Russia are happy the US is keeping them in check. Western Europe is riding along on the US contribution to NATO. Kicking them out is not an option and not even a good idea for those countries.

All these other countries complaining should also look in the mirror. If there are elections right now, Wilders would be the prime minister of Holland. Front National is on the rise in France. Belgium has a large right wing following. Japan has a very nationalistic government. Let's not even start about China.

America has a pretty good system of checks and balances. For good and evil. That is why Obama didn't get to do a lot he wanted, because other parts of government stopped that. Same will happen with Trump, but obviously on different issues.

 

[Parch]

That's some fine american propaganda right there.

You can be assured that international response to a Trump victory is not going to be positive. If that's the type of government you chose to support, expect consequences.

 

[Gutek]

America freerides you or you embargo them? Alright

I'm freeriding America. I'm paying for this idiocy.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The American troops in Korea and Japan are there for a reason. Eastern Europe likes the American troops there and asked for more. Countries around China and Russia are happy the US is keeping them in check. Western Europe is riding along on the US contribution to NATO. Kicking them out is not an option and not even a good idea for those countries.

All these other countries complaining should also look in the mirror. If there are elections right now, Wilders would be the prime minister of Holland. Front National is on the rise in France. Belgium has a large right wing following. Japan has a very nationalistic government. Let's not even start about China.

America has a pretty good system of checks and balances. For good and evil. That is why Obama didn't get to do a lot he wanted, because other parts of government stopped that. Same will happen with Trump, but obviously on different issues.

Get outta here with your realpolitik. I just want to lash out and fucking punish this country if we vote Trump.

 

[DragonSworne]

So countries are upset that they may not continue to get free money from the US?

 

[ClosingADoor]

Get outta here with your realpolitik. I just want to lash out and fucking punish this country if we vote Trump.

Sounds like you and Trump have a bit in common then

 

[Raxus]

Don't you think Hillary's term in the office would be similar to Obama's ? I think they share a lot of policies and ideas.

She is similar in man ways but her record is rather shaky. She is still head over heels better than Trump.

Obama despite being dragged through the mud still will have lots to show for his two terms and has proven to be inherently more likeable than Hilary and more consistent. It is just wishful thinking.

 

[Amory]

Other countries should be paying more to protect themselves.

"America first" isn't a bad policy for an American president if you actually plan to...you know...make America better.

But Trump doesn't, so whatever.

 

[captainnapalm]

I can't see them letting Trump do anything drastic and make any serious changes. You start hitting at America's power abroad, all those military bases, you're hitting right at the heart of the global protection racket, I mean global peacekeeping structure.

He's gonna slip in the shower and hit his head if he's not careful.

 

[J-Rod]

I'm glad other countries are nervous that they may have to start contributing their fair share.

 

[pgtl_10]

i think there should be some very strong collective actions taken against America if Trump gets elected. crippling sanctions at least, if a forced regime change isn't a realistic option.

No there shouldn't. That's punishing democracy.

 

[bobbychalkers]

It's crazy, yes, but it's not actually surprising. The Republican party chased the lowest common denominator and used racism as energy for its "conventional" electioneering because it was already failing demographically. That gave rise to both the Tea Party and Conservative "purity" tests that completely abandoned things like logic and economic realities.

The results are actually predictable, with the obvious benefit of hindsight.

This is the natural conclusion to a plan they set in place themselves. Trump isn't an outsider, he's just an extreme version of an archetype they promoted. And they themselves promoted extremism.

Pretty much, I took his candidacy very seriously after seeing how his Mexican comments didn't tank his campaign.

 

[Almighty]

Well I think Trump's solutions to the problem are idiotic, but I think he has at least correctly identified the problem. From where I am sitting it seems a good number of our "allies" are free riders as Obama called them and it is long past time we told them to carry their weight for their collective security or fuck off.

 

[Messofanego]

That, like most of Trump's ridiculous policies: see the wall, would be a nonstarter once he's actually elected.

A year ago, people couldn't believe Trump would at all survive all the way to here and was considered as a joke stirring shit up for popularity votes. I think we have to contend with the possibility of his plans coming into play rather than stick fingers in our ears.

 

[Jackpot]

I thought he made things worst?

How on Earth could he have been more hated than Bush?

 

[LiquidSolid]

I thought he made things worst?

lol, how old were you when Bush Jr was President? You think the story of American tourists putting Canadian flags on their bags is a myth or something?

The only countries who prefer Bush to Obama are the ones you wouldn't really want the support of, like Russia and Israel.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I would actually like to see Trump tell Israel to pay their fair share and see what happens.

 

[cdyhybrid]

A year ago, people couldn't believe Trump would at all survive all the way to here and was considered as a joke stirring shit up for popularity votes. I think we have to contend with the possibility of his plans coming into play rather than stick fingers in our ears.

Winning the GOP nom and winning the GE are two different beasts. Winning the GE was always going to be tough for whoever the GOP nom ended up being - nominating a racist shithead probably hasn't helped those chances.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I completely agree with Trump on this. Why should the US have allies that add nothing to the US? Sure lets trade with friendly nations, but not military alliance.

 

[Kite]

Someone threatens to shut off the money faucet and suddenly it's "America, you used to be cool."

tbh it's one of the new things I kind agree with Trump on, I'm damn tired to footing the bill for the whole world's security. I'm not voting for the POS but I wouldn't mind pulling back some of our money and see the other countries flair around fir a bit before learning how to defend themselves again.

 

[andythinkpad]

Trump will deal.

He will sale Taiwan to China for 1 trillion dollars.

Do it!

 

[tearsintherain]

I hope more countries / foreign press post articles about how they want to punish America if we elect Trump. If there is one sure fire way to get American's riled up, its foreigners telling them what to do.

 

[bionic77]

Luxurious deals!

Finally. The REAL American Dream!

Freedom is nice but a lot of countries have that. Hell some have even more than us. But how many citizens are going to get good plated shit for their tax refund?

 

[timetokill]

lol

"Wait, you want us to pay for our own security? But how are we supposed to do that while also paying for all our social programs combined with an aging population?!

PS America you should get that free healthcare too, it's awesome! But DEFINITELY don't stop protecting us as well!"



Just shows how soft Obama has been regarding the whole thing, and how Hillary will be too since they're not worried about her

 

[kIdMuScLe]

I didn't know that we are electing a dictator this upcoming November!!!

 

[Hexa]

Trump will deal.

He will sale Taiwan to China for 1 trillion dollars.

Do it!

lol. That sounds like such a Trump thing to do. Selling sphere's of influence for cold hard cash.

 

[Mimosa97]

I think a few people in this thread don't understand how the global economy works.

Most people in this thread don't understand how NATO works and the kind of pressure that the US has put on its " allies " to join NATO in the last decade.

It's almost laughable that a sizeable americans really believe that their country is some kind of good samaritan who " protects " other countries for free.

 

[Piecake]

Most people in this thread don't understand how NATO works and the kind of pressure that the US has put on its " allies " to join NATO in the last decade.

It's almost laughable that a sizeable americans really believe that their country is some kind of good samaritan who " protects " other countries for free.

People want other nation's to live up to their agreements and spend 2% of GDP on the military like the NATO treaty dictates so that America can spend less and other nations can take a greater role in the alliance. Does America get something out of it? Of course, but that is the nature of international relations and politics. You do something because it benefits you and you make it so that it benefits others for others to agree to it.

I really don't think it is laughable to argue that NATO nations feel like they can scrimp on defense spending because they know that they are in the NATO alliance and America will be there to protect them if things go to shit.

Just because people think that other nation's should live up to their treaty duties and think that America is protecting other nations does not mean that they think that America is doing it out of the selfless goodness of their hearts.

And what pressure? I would be interested in reading more up on that, so if you have any articles please link them. Still, I imagine that Eastern Europe is pretty thankful that they got pressured (if that happened) into joining NATO now.

 

[Mael]

And what pressure? I would be interested in reading more up on that, so if you have any articles please link them. Still, I imagine that Eastern Europe is pretty thankful that they got pressured (if that happened) into joining NATO now.

I hope you're not one of the guys who's upset about the TTP deal Obama is trying to push down europeans throats....
and you know why Eastern Europe got roped in? to fuck with Russia, they're given free rides because it infuriates Russian diplomacy.
The whole point of NATO is to push US supremacy, who cares who pay for it? The whole point is to ensure US interests are enforced the world over.

Fuck Sarkozy and its stupid idea.

 

[trembli0s]

The sanctions talk is hilarious. Do folks not realize the infinite money pot that American consumption represents or that the
US has a permanent UN Security Council Seat to veto any UN implemented resolutions?

 

[Kysen]

It's almost laughable that a sizeable americans really believe that their country is some kind of good samaritan who " protects " other countries for free.

Yep, apparently its freeloading to allow them to place their bases in our countries so they act like forward positions in case shit goes down again. Lets not pretend the bases in Japan/Germany are for those countries benefit.

 

[Poohblaster]

NATO members need to step up their game. Spending is supposed to be at 2% of GDP.

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[TwEE-N-Toast]

You can be assured that international response to a Trump victory is not going to be positive. If that's the type of government you chose to support, expect consequences.

The world won't do shit.

 

[Goro Majima]

I think there's a real discussion to be had about reevaluating where we are with NAFTA and other free trade agreements as well as discussing US military involvement overseas.

I just wish it was someone other than Trump because passing a 40% tariff on all Chinese goods isn't the solution...nor is banning Muslims or building a pointless wall. Globalism and American military supremacy has created some real issues worth looking into but no one has been interested in it since before....Reagan maybe?

 

[Piecake]

I hope you're not one of the guys who's upset about the TTP deal Obama is trying to push down europeans throats....
and you know why Eastern Europe got roped in? to fuck with Russia, they're given free rides because it infuriates Russian diplomacy.
The whole point of NATO is to push US supremacy, who cares who pay for it? The whole point is to ensure US interests are enforced the world over.

Fuck Sarkozy and its stupid idea.

Well, where is the proof? I said I was interested in evidence that Eastern Europe got pressured into NATO by the US instead of wanting to do it for their own interests, but all I am seeing from you is some shit that is dangerously close to Ukrainian trutherism.

And when did I ever say that there wasn't benefit for the US in having an alliance? To deny that there isnt a benefit to other nations or the only reason why they are in the alliance is because big bad America pressured them is just some grade A bullshit if you don't have any proof or evidence.

 

[trembli0s]

Yep, apparently its freeloading to allow them to place their bases in our countries so they act like forward positions in case shit goes down again. Lets not pretend the bases in Japan/Germany are for those countries benefit.

Is this serious?

If Obama made moves to withdraw from either of those countries the response would be absolute mayhem. It's easy to talk a strong game when you have the biggest man on your block standing behind you.

China and Russia would become much more aggressive and assertive in their respective spheres if the US withdrew.

 

[Mael]

Well, where is the proof? I said I was interested in evidence that Eastern Europe got pressured into NATO by the US instead of wanting to do it for their own interests, but all I am seeing from you is some shit that is dangerously close to Ukrainian trutherism.

I don't think Eastern Europe got pressured into NATO more than they happily went there to have a shield of a sort against Russia.
As far as I can tell the USA have a been a better ally to them than Russia was so they clearly want to stay there.
When talking about pressure I'm talking about Western Europe which is a totally different game.

And when did I ever say that there wasn't benefit for the US in having an alliance? To deny that there isnt a benefit to other nations or the only reason why they are in the alliance is because big bad America pressured them is just some grade A bullshit if you don't have any proof or evidence.

Who denies that there is a mutual benefit in the process?
The Alliance wouldn't exist if that was the case.
The benefit is not 1 sided as some idiot would like you to think however.
And still I maintain that France has no business being part of it.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

No American products outside of America would be interesting. No more apple and Xbox, I think microsoft got a good head start on Xbox.

Windows and steam as well, I don't know world. Sounds like a raw deal for y'all perhaps. Gonna miss a lot of good movies as well. A lot will not be missed too.

Have to say, I need my Japanese games though.

 

[Mael]

No American products outside of America would be interesting. No more apple and Xbox, I think microsoft got a good head start on Xbox.

Windows and steam as well, I don't know world. Sounds like a raw deal for y'all perhaps. Gonna miss a lot of good movies as well. A lot will not be missed too.

Have to say, I need my Japanese games though.

Oh! No! How would the rest of the world manage to survive without a product they don't even want to use as a doorstop!

 

[Walpurgis]

So countries are upset that they may not continue to get free money from the US?

You really think it's free?

 

[Condom]

NATO members need to step up their game. Spending is supposed to be at 2% of GDP.

I don't see the point of being in NATO if we have to spend 2% of our budget or another minimum amount. I see it purely as an exchange of power to America/UK to save money.
We have to do nearly everything America says and in exchange they protect us, if we have to contribute to the protection then we might as well go our own way.

 

[Lucumo]

So the rest of the world did not think America took an America first philosophy until now?

Pretty sure it did which is part of the reason why the US is generally disliked.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Oh! No! How would the rest of the world manage to survive without a product they don't even want to use as a doorstop!

Hmm, no one uses iPhone or Xbox outside of America? Thought they did, maybe I'm wrong.

Not everyone watches movies I know. I use to watch a lot more Asian films anyways.

I think your being a little silly though. America makes a lot of good things. Would the world go on without them? If course, they would just pick up androids and some other game software etc

But I do think some gamers would miss uncharted, crash etc

Just like I would miss other countries games.

 

[lastplayed]

No American products outside of America would be interesting. No more apple and Xbox, I think microsoft got a good head start on Xbox.

Windows and steam as well, I don't know world. Sounds like a raw deal for y'all perhaps. Gonna miss a lot of good movies as well. A lot will not be missed too.

Have to say, I need my Japanese games though.

Hmm you're right. If only we had a competing non-US console!

My phone is Chinese so I guess that's ok.

 

[El Topo]

Nah. Obama is generally liked outside the US.

He is? Certainly not in Germany.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

The world won't do shit.

Europe can't even get it's shit together for local issues, they wouldn't do anything.