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[Jack The Nipper]

Hmm you're right. If only we had a competing non-US console!

My phone is Chinese so I guess that's ok.

And the American made games? No uncharted next month. I know many people feel it's cool to play down a medical but I don't see the point, people don't play down other countries things so much in anerica like this. But.. Some so, that's true.


I noticed this issue when I was in Asia though, many people from UK really have a bad attitude toward me they know I'm American. I don't get it really.


I sort of don't like things in america sometimes, but those same ideas aee all over western culture in general. I welcome my European made games, definitely don't want to miss evolutions games or horizon.

I give up.. Phones are too bad to type in lol

 

[Mael]

Hmm, no one uses iPhone or Xbox outside of America? Thought they did, maybe I'm wrong.

Not everyone watches movies I know. I use to watch a lot more Asian films anyways.

I think your being a little silly though. America makes a lot of good things. Would the world go on without them? If course, they would just pick up androids and some other game software etc

But I do think some gamers would miss uncharted, crash etc

Just like I would miss other countries games.

People uses iphones and watch US movies and tv shows.
Xbox? That's something only the UK find palatable.
And I think the USA would miss the Uncharted as the IP owner is Japanese and not American
We went a little off topic, didn't we?

 

[lastplayed]

And the American made games? No uncharted next month. I know many people feel it's cool to play down a medical but I don't see the point, people don't play down other countries things so much in anerica like this. But.. Some so, that's true.

It's all good. Canada makes the best games anyway.

 

[Kovet]

Its crazy to think how each parties frontrunner is massively looked down upon by the american public. Really a lesser of the two evils

It's crazy, yes, but it's not actually surprising. The Republican party chased the lowest common denominator and used racism as energy for its "conventional" electioneering because it was already failing demographically. That gave rise to both the Tea Party and Conservative "purity" tests that completely abandoned things like logic and economic realities.

The results are actually predictable, with the obvious benefit of hindsight.

This is the natural conclusion to a plan they set in place themselves. Trump isn't an outsider, he's just an extreme version of an archetype they promoted. And they themselves promoted extremism.

It's crazy, yes, but it's not actually surprising. Bungie chased the lowest common denominator and used Bloom and armor abilities as tools for its "Noob friendly" designing because it was already failing commercially compared to cod. That gave rise to both the decline of halo and copying cods mechanics further that completely abandoned things like logic and economic realities.

The results are actually predictable, with the obvious benefit of hindsight.

This is the natural conclusion to a plan they set in place themselves. 343 isn't an outsider, they're just an extreme version of an archetype Bungie promoted. And they themselves promoted noob friendly game design.

Spoiler

Halo 5 is a step in the right direction mp wise

 

[EYEL1NER]

I can't imagine people in the Philippines are too surprised since their election is coming up very soon and it is looking like the Filipino version of Donald Trump, Rodrigo Duterte, could very well win the whole thing. There was a thread about him recently but he is loud, says horribly stupid or offensive things, has been linked to human rights violations and vocally supports the death squads and extrajudicial killings, and his supporters attack anyone who says anything negative about him or anyone who supports someone else.

Like I said, I cannot imagine they are too surprised since they are possibly going to make the same mistakes that I am worried the American people will make in November.

 

[gai_shain]

And the American made games? No uncharted next month.

I mean you better hope uncharted is going to release on the xbox then or you wont be able to play it yourself with this logic

 

[Piecake]

I don't think Eastern Europe got pressured into NATO more than they happily went there to have a shield of a sort against Russia.
As far as I can tell the USA have a been a better ally to them than Russia was so they clearly want to stay there.
When talking about pressure I'm talking about Western Europe which is a totally different game.

Western Europe are big boys. If they were pressured after WWII then they can leave now if they want to. Hell, didn't France do it once, but eventually returned?

The person who I was arguing against was talking about nations who joined in the last decade, and that certainly would not be Western Europe.

Who denies that there is a mutual benefit in the process?
The Alliance wouldn't exist if that was the case.
The benefit is not 1 sided as some idiot would like you to think however.
And still I maintain that France has no business being part of it.

Well, I said that there was a mutual benefit before, but then you were arguing against me in tone that really sounded to me like you thought NATO was a diabolical plot of the US to control the world.

Honestly seems like a miscommunication between the both of us since it seems like we generally agree.

If you think that France has no business being a part of it, then that would result in France having a more difficult time executing their military adventures overseas. Of course, you might think that is a good thing.

 

[Mael]

Western Europe are big boys. If they were pressured after WWII then they can leave now if they want to. Hell, didn't France do it once, but eventually returned?

France correctly assumed that they were getting a raw deal so they wanted out.
And it was certainly not easy, if the French leaders at the time were any different it wouldn't have happened at all.
It came back because Sarkozy is foolish moron with no idea of what foreign policy actually entails.

The person who I was arguing against was talking about nations who joined in the last decade, and that certainly would not be Western Europe.

Ah, it seems I responded in an incorrect context then.
Eastern Europe have their own reasons to be part of NATO that can easily be explained by Russia. I don't think it's a good idea to boot them out because they're not paying all their bills, diplomatically it would only isolate the US for no good reason and worse yet with no upside at all.

Well, I said that there was a mutual benefit before, but then you were arguing against me in tone that really sounded to me like you thought NATO was a diabolical plot of the US to control the world.

Disregard the tone.
NATO is a tool the US diplomacy use to enforce it interest, I don't think there's anything controversial about assessing that NATO was primarily made to ensure US interest would be protected abroad.

Honestly seems like a miscommunication between the both of us since it seems like we generally agree.

again disregard the tone I may have greater difficulty getting my point across today.

If you think that France has no business being a part of it, then that would result in France having a more difficult time executing their military adventures overseas. Of course, you might think that is a good thing.

France barely have any military adventure overseas, most of the times they usually go with the UN anyway.
I don't think they gain that much from being part of it.
Unless the military got a budget cut because of being part of NATO they lost more by reentering than just staying outside.
They certainly gained nothing diplomatically that way and it actually weakened their voice in the international community.

 

[hoos30]

Western Europe are big boys. If they were pressured after WWII then they can leave now if they want to. Hell, didn't France do it once, but eventually returned?

The person who I was arguing against was talking about nations who joined in the last decade, and that certainly would not be Western Europe.



Well, I said that there was a mutual benefit before, but then you were arguing against me in tone that really sounded to me like you thought NATO was a diabolical plot of the US to control the world.

Honestly seems like a miscommunication between the both of us since it seems like we generally agree.

If you think that France has no business being a part of it, then that would result in France having a more difficult time executing their military adventures overseas. Of course, you might think that is a good thing.

I think Libya showed how well prepared France is militarily; 24 hours in they were already running low on munitions. Now imagine there was a real threat to the homeland.

 

[Mael]

I think Libya showed how well prepared France is militarily; 24 hours in they were already running low on munitions. Now imagine there was a real threat to the homeland.

You can thank that idiot Sarkozy for that.
And btw don't even come to us for that, we have an agreement it's all Hillary Clinton's fault.

 

[Piecake]

France barely have any military adventure overseas, most of the times they usually go with the UN anyway.
I don't think they gain that much from being part of it.
Unless the military got a budget cut because of being part of NATO they lost more by reentering than just staying outside.
They certainly gained nothing diplomatically that way and it actually weakened their voice in the international community.

Wasnt France one of the biggest proponents of the military action in Libya though? My impression was that Europe convinced the US to go along with it, not the other way around.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Banning Muslims, an entire religion, from entering the country is discrimination on a state level is absolutely something we should respond to.

It's not okay.

I fucking hate Trump, but do you really think the EU could do anything that could hurt the United States? If the US pulls out of Europe it falls under the Russian Sphere. I don't think you want that, do you?

 

[Mael]

Wasnt France one of the biggest proponents of the military action in Libya though? My impression was that Europe convinced the US to go along with it, not the other way around.

tutututut.
Nope you don't get to blame us when it's really Hillary Clinton's warmongering that forced the hands of everyone.
Sanders campaigned hard to convince everyone it was her fault I'm not letting you put the blame on someone else!

Spoiler

Actually there's a chance that Sarkozy used the Libyan event to clean up a financing trail that could lead to his campaign, he's got judge right up his ass for all his financing shenanigans

 

[Spiral Insanity]

I'd say Barack Obama improved the worldview of America after George W. Bush.

Donald Trump being elected would be far worse for America's reputation than W. Bush, which says a great deal about Trump.

He did, by a great deal. I'm not a fan of Obamacare (great for those it helps, but healthcare for the middle class is still unaffordable if you are self employed) or his drone strikes, but he made for a great president.

 

[witchedwiz]

So the rest of the world did not think America took an America first philosophy until now?

this is all that trump as a president in the us means to you?
god...

 

[UFO]

I don't see the point of being in NATO if we have to spend 2% of our budget or another minimum amount. I see it purely as an exchange of power to America/UK to save money.
We have to do nearly everything America says and in exchange they protect us, if we have to contribute to the protection then we might as well go our own way.

You should go do that then. Lets see how it works out for you.

 

[Hierophant]

"Nations around the world sit in stunned silence while collectively wondering if they're in a fever dream."

 

[DrSlek]

You should go do that then. Lets see how it works out for you.

Is the US running some kind of protection racket?

 

[timetokill]

Is the US running some kind of protection racket?

A lot of countries long ago decided that they'd heavily cut down their military and security expenditures and put them into social programs, since the US is covering their asses.

So now they're kinda stuck.

 

[dacuk]

America will definitely become the laughing stock of the rest of the world if this clown gets elected as POTUS.

 

[AetherZX]

America will definitely become the laughing stock of the rest of the world if this clown gets elected as POTUS.

Except for the Bahamas, which features Cruz levels of officials.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Europe should look at itself.

 

[Fox Mulder]

We're going to be winning all over their faces until we beg Trump to slow down.

 

[Zeke]

I agree it would be nice to see our NATO allies live up to their spending obligations. There are some real naive people in here thinking the rest of the world could slap sanctions on us without serious repercussions for their own countries. I mean you guys realize we have permanent seat on the security council right? We would just veto any measure that got put forward. Without us footing your defense bills your countries would have to increase their military spending. Have fun watching your social programs get gutted. Let's just gloss over the huge economic effects it would have on the world economy too.

 

[Raiden]

The thought of that man being so close to having acces to nuclear codes is freightening. Now we all know realistically he will never make it to the house. But stranger things have happened.

 

[S-Wind]

Did they forget about the Dubya Years or something???

 

[ccbfan]

The entitlement of some of are allies is sickening.

A non-intervention foreign policy is probably one of the most important things I look for in my president to fucking bad the closet chance I'll ever get on is Donald trump.

 

[Dan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/world/europe/donald-trump-foreign-policy.html

Interesting that Republicans were criticizing Obama for hating on our allies and emboldening our 'enemies' (I wouldnt consider China and Russia an enemey) when Trump looks like he is doing that.

Republicans are all about projecting their own awful qualities onto Democrats. Once you notice it, you see it everywhere.

 

[M3d10n]

I wouldn't say it's free money. Last time I read about, America's interventionism to keep the world "stable" was ultimately done to profit from the increased trade that comes with it.

 

[Fox Mulder]

The entitlement of some of are allies is sickening.

A non-intervention foreign policy is probably one of the most important things I look for in my president to fucking bad the closet chance I'll ever get on is Donald trump.

Theyre may seem entitled, but our interests are also greatly served with things like overseas bases and trade deals.

We're not doing it for charity.

 

[KingBroly]

A lot of countries long ago decided that they'd heavily cut down their military and security expenditures and put them into social programs, since the US is covering their asses.

So now they're kinda stuck.

One day, some day, maybe not soon, someone's gonna say 'these countries gotta pay for our services.' I wonder which way that'll go.

 

[tearsintherain]

Putin and Trump will together form a new wrestling league with Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan and take on all foreign leaders, and in a surprise twist in 2018 Putin will betray Trump and ally himself with the Iron Sheik.

 

[trembli0s]

One day, some day, maybe not soon, someone's gonna say 'these countries gotta pay for our services.' I wonder which way that'll go.

It's coming very soon. I think more Americans desire the type of SocialDemocrat services that Europe was enabled to enact based on American defense infrastructure.

One of the only real discretionary places to cut in order to increase those government services is military spending.

Europe talks really big game right now but things would be considerably different if Putin hungrily eyes Eastern Europe while they desperately try to bargain with him in the absence of US interest.

 

[Salvadora]

I fucking hate Trump, but do you really think the EU could do anything that could hurt the United States? If the US pulls out of Europe it falls under the Russian Sphere. I don't think you want that, do you?

Europe is the biggest single market in the entire world.

So, yes, it would most definitely damage the United States if it any (hypothetical) action was taken if you becoming a quasi apartheid country.

In terms of falling under the Russian sphere, no.

The U.K. and France are nuclear states. Germany is economically very powerful. We have a number of alliances with the likes of Poland. There is a reasons Russia sticks to salami tactics - and that won't change.