Oh so because I want to know why a person cares so much about people being here illegally, I must campaign for open borders. I see. Well I don't support any candidate that calls them criminals or rapists and wants to see them deported I know that much. Even if I didn't support open borders it wouldn't explain why I would back a candidate that is driving his campaign almost entirely on illegal immigration and building a damn wall. Why, out of all the things going on in this election, is illegal immigration the most important for Trump and a lot of his supporters? That's all I want to know. How is it going to make America Whi errr I mean Great again?
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Oh so because I want to know why a person cares so much about people being here illegally, I must campaign for open borders. I see. Well I don't support any candidate that calls them criminals or rapists and wants to see them deported I know that much. Even if I didn't support open borders it wouldn't explain why I would back a candidate that is driving his campaign almost entirely on illegal immigration and building a damn wall. Why, out of all the things going on in this election, is illegal immigration the most important for Trump and a lot of his supporters? That's all I want to know. How is it going to make America Whi errr I mean Great again?
It is all about perceptions, it is completely a valid argument to state that he is being petty and does not want to answer legitimate questions. On the other hand, the Trump supporters will most likely see him as the strong person in this dynamic.
He won all the previous debates, he manhandled Bush and Cruz and now he is giving the finger to Fox News and that annoying woman. If he manages to draw in a lot of people with his "charity for wounded veterans" event and Fox witnesses a significant drop in their ratings, it is over. He will walk this primary.
I'm watching the O'Reilly factor at the moment and these women are basically salivating for the prospect of Trump winning the nomination. It feels like I'm watching a movie, I still can't quite believe that this is all real (especially when Sarah Palin endorsed him).
Vicetrailia
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Yup, to be a Trump supporter you gotta be bizarro world extreme. Sad. They will go as far as he is willing to go. They're more extreme than he projects.
You can keep posting that, but he'll keep ignoring it. It seems his way of dealing with things he can't twist around is to ignore it. He completely ignores that he constantly retweets white supremacists. Even if he is not directly in charge of his twitter, the fact that he is employing such a person to do that and the fact that he does nothing to stop it is pretty telling.
Also, Trump supporters seem to ignore that he employs illegal immigrants to this day. Back in 1990 he said he didn't know he was employing illegal immigrants, but for some reason it didn't make him do anything about it because he still does employ illegal immigrants.
oh absolutely he will win this primary - this is what his constituency wants, what they have been groomed for so many years to want: i've always known this was the end game for the current incarnation of the republican party
i just want to point out the usual hypocrisy :>
Literally watch any rally from about a month ago. He goes out of his way to hold back his fans to not be violent now. Plenty of white liberals got dragged out of his rallies or pretty much bullied out of the stadium by other supporters. Race, religion doesn't seem to matter evidently - what DOES seem to matter - is if you're voting non-Trump and there to disrupt the rally or not.
Trump is said to have quoted reports like these along with that he heard from border patrol agents:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
The media took his words out of context and went "durr racist". Same thing Kelly attempted in the Aug 7 debate, the Rosie O'Donnel feud started when Trump supported a peagent suffering from drug abuse and some sex scandals on the condition she visits rehab. Rosie O'Donnel took issues with that, called Trump shit and Trump called her shit in return. Media says "durr sexist". Its clear they don't want Trump anywhere near political power because he'll yank things to the right, so they distort his shit and that is obvious.
As for why illegal immigration might be good or bad for a nation - that's another topic.
True. His rhetoric obviously appeals to many disenfranchised voters (and racists) but this is a larger cultural phenomenon. After decades of reality entertainment, obsessing over celebrities and political sound bites instead of substance, the chickens are coming home to roost.
After Citizens United the conventional wisdom in Washington has been that you need to kiss the ring of several billionaires and constantly raise hundreds of millions in order to have enough political ads to win the election. On top of that, as a republican, the perception has been that you must be careful with talk radio hosts but also need the seal of approval from the conservative establishment.
Not only is Trump not spending any money, many conservative radio hosts like Glenn Beck have tried to attack him for months and now Trump is having an open war with Fox News. The establishment also hates him and he is winning....because of the "mob". The only question is how pervasive is this culture in modern America? I assumed he was going to be a joke candidate when he first announced his run, an entertaining side show for a month or two. Now there is a chance - even if it is still a rather small one - that this loon could be the next president and the most powerful person on earth.
I've see him ask security to remove people; I've never seen him congratulate his supporters for assaulting a non BLM protestor.
metalslimer
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Man the gymnastics people will go through to make themselves able to support a racist piece of shit
I see Trump not just ask security, but relish the opportunity to remove protesters. He fires up the crowd, chants "USA" with his supporters and yells for them to be kicked out. He's done it against whites and there's videos of them being cuffed and dragged out. Popular video out of white Trump supporters getting hostile against a couple of whites who were just sitting there with an anti-Trump poster. They were ganged up on by people around them, had their poster torn and kicked out while Trump cheered them on. That dude in your example wasn't the only BLM protester to have ever disrupted a Trump rally.
So you're saying there's a video of Trump cheering on his supporters as they assault a group of white protestors?
Where in that video is Trump cheering on his supporters to assault them? He doesn't even seem to call for them to be thrown out saying he feels nice this week.
He yells get em out, after the posters are torn apart by people around them.
lol even the old lady does it at :36.
Where is he telling his supporters to assault them?
hydrophilic attack
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lol the U-S-A chants at the end
TumblingHippo
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Not to mention dragging the good, wholesome, entertainment of DBZ into the mud with them.
No he didn't in that video. He was doing his normal spiel about what he sometimes does, and was quoting himself from the past where he said "get them outta here". He wasn't yelling that out for those two in the video specifically.
Chie Satonaka
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First off, this isn't even remotely similar to what happened to the BLM supporter who got beat up.
Second of all, the fact that you point to THIS video, which is gross in it's own right and shows the nature of Trump supporters as some sort of defense against Trump and his rhetoric says quite a bit.
With that said, good lord. His rallies are just applause lines. He never says anything substantive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, GOP "moderates" must be enraged. They've been completely hijacked, and there's nothing they can do about it.
"I'm a good person. I'm not racist! I'm not a bigot! I can't be. I do support Donald Trump though. If I'm a good person and I support him, he can't be those things that other people say about him, because I don't support racists and bigots."
Even if so I think the point stands - he did not hold his supporters back just because they were white - his supporters got hostile, threatened and lynched their posters.
The point absolutely does not stand. You said you had a video of Trump cheering on supporters assaulting white protesters when nothing of the sort happened there.
In fact if that's at all representative it looks like white protestors get treated with kids gloves by Trump and his security.
Which in fact was my point, it appears all are not equal at Trump rallies.
The altercation was bad but I'm not sure if it was strictly because of race. Trump said he was a big guy and was overly loud. Had those two guys with posters been more physically resistant with people tearing apart their posters - you don't think that would have lead to a physical altercation?
As for the rest of your post - the topic is about whether colored protesters get harsher treatment from Trump, which doesn't seem to be the case.
Chie Satonaka
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I'm sorry, do you have a follow-up video of those two gentlemen who were escorted out being BEAT UP and then Donald Trump justifying it afterwards?
What the fuck are you talking about? You're just making things up!
You're blaming the non violent protester for his assault?! What is going on here?
hydragonwarrior
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The most amazing thing is that he's probably one of the few Republicans CRAZY enough to take on Fox News. Fox News! The only people with this much ire are liberals, and they can't do anything because they *are* liberals and won't impact Fox at all.
Trump on the other hand is getting the crazy vote AND affecting potential Fox News viewers. He may be the only person who can actually affect them.
Of course, Trump probably sees some kind of business opportunity. Maybe he'll try to get a stake in Fox News eventually.
Trump on the other hand is getting the crazy vote AND affecting potential Fox News viewers. He may be the only person who can actually affect them.
Of course, Trump probably sees some kind of business opportunity. Maybe he'll try to get a stake in Fox News eventually.
And quite frankly the progressive establishment is scared of Fox News. The Obama administration has fired people over Glenn Beck segments, because they have been afraid of the possible backlash.
"We must do something, Fox News is going to bury us with this story"
Trump simply doesn't care, he is not bound by the Washington etiquette. The concept of appearing presidential means nothing to him.
Meanwhile you have O'Malley and Bush who go through the usual motions with their rehearsed sound bites. I bet they are completely clueless as to why no one is buying what they are trying to sell. They are political dinosaurs doomed for extinction.
I don't even know what you're implying here. I said what do you think would have happened had those poster guys said "go screw yourself" to the guy saying "ditch em"?
There wouldn't have been a fight?
I don't know why you're trying to invent hypotheticals to excuse a racially motivated assault by Trump supporters that was later endorsed by Trump.
I just think you're projecting racially motivated in there. I think the hypothetical is pretty solid - they were this close to being physically assaulted and it had nothing to do with their race.
I don't think I am. They called him "monkey" and the "N-word" as they were assaulting him after all.
I just saw this, with a poll asking what people will watch...
http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/85268033-poll-what-will-you-watch-thursday-night
I didn't realize that his "special event" would legit be on CNN head to head. I thought it was just a thing you may be able to find online. It's really on CNN? That is flat out amazing if so.
http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/85268033-poll-what-will-you-watch-thursday-night
I didn't realize that his "special event" would legit be on CNN head to head. I thought it was just a thing you may be able to find online. It's really on CNN? That is flat out amazing if so.
Read Trump's full statement on it and he says he should have been roughed up because the guy was being loud/aggressive. As fucked up as the assaulters were for calling him those names and kicking him, I'm still not seeing how Trump himself differentiates when kicking out protesters.
vicissitudes
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Because I know many people who either immigrated here legally, or are trying to immigrate here legally. There's a huge waiting list, it can take years, and cost a to of money for people who live in poor countries and are giving up a large portion of their hard earned savings just for a shot at coming to this great country. And these are smart, hard working, kind, genuinely good people. They are kept out while some people come here illegally from across the border, who are unskilled, uneducated, are more likely to commit crimes, and don't contribute much. That's what makes me angry.
Look, we either have immigration laws or we have an open border. We either follow laws or we don't. I tend to believe in following the laws of this country.
I don't think they should be attacked, and two wrongs don't make a right. But hey, you don't want to be attacked? Don't protest at a campaign rally. It's incredibly disrespectful. In any case, trump never tells his supporters to attack protesters. Not at all. He just tells security to remove them. Every time. I have watched at least 15-20 Trump rallies and this is what he always does.
You don't see the difference between an assault and removing someone from a venue?
Trump, as you said earlier, usually tells his security to simply remove people from the venue.
BoboBrazil
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No announcement of alternate event yet? I want him to go head to head with the republican debate on another network.
RPGCrazied
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Look at those uneducated old rednecks. That is the true Trump supporter. And the ignorant. Have to give those guys credit holding those signs, being surrounded by such trash. I'd never attend a Trump rally, no thanks.
You're using a singular event of a person putting up considerable physical resistance when there's 20 other examples of minorities and whites getting ejected in more or less the same fashion. Looks like we're gonna keep arguing in circles.
RPGCrazied
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Looks like I'm watching Fox News. Sorry CNN, you sold out to Trump? Gross.
Yo he is a businessman and knows money and junk
You forgot the unspoken part: "it's not MY ass in his crosshairs, so he's fine by me."
Of course don't need a universal translator for that.
Wow is that legit? Is it really on CNN? I'm gonna watch that for sure.
RustyNails
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GAF I have a request. Can someone put Trump's face on Donald duck and Bill O'Reilly/Fox news on Daisy Duck?
Its incredibly entertaining on a disturbing level. Just reading the last two pages of this thread where people are trying with the power of Greyskull to explain away the guy inciting violence, condoning people being beat up at his rallies, calling a race of people killers/rapists, saying the CP5 should be executed, retweeting inaccurate tweets from literal white supremacists, and blocking entry to the country based on religion with zero way to actually identify someone's religion and more is just.... its fucking AMAZING.
They have a way to turn even the most hateful absolutely HORRID shit into a 'misunderstanding that means no harm'.
Goddamn when the Conservatives lose the election I am going to be absolutely unbearable while bathing in their tears. They deserve it. Every bit of it.
Edit: I try imagining a world where Hillary/Bernie come out tomorrow and during a gathering condone a conservative getting beat up at their gathering, while calling white people oppressors, and saying Christians need to be deported, calling people in the south rapists and whatnot; and how the people defending Trump would suddenly feel absolutely appalled by that sort of behaviour.
Just for the purpose of science, I almost would like to see it happen.
BoboBrazil
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I can't find any confirmation that it will actually be on CNN.
perfectchaos007
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Trumps absence gave a spot open for Rand Paul at least. The main stage debate will be the new kiddie table while the new main stage will be whatever network Donald Trump is on that day.
RPGCrazied
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I like him for the fact he pretty much dislikes Trump. He recently called him Gollum. lol
Another48Hours
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This is why Trump got such a boost talking about immigrants. A lot of guys ignore this or say it's a free country, it's stupid. Supporters of illegal immigration without consequences are beyond help if they don't realize the damage being done and not just what you said but economically as well.
I don't like Trump but I can clearly see how lefties helped Trump get his platform.
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