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[Markoman]

I've never lived in Belgium but was born there, speak the language and care about its future - why should I not be able to vote there?

Because your choices won't have personal consequences. In the case of Belgium, no big problem. But let's take the death penalty as the best example for my argument.
How can someone vote for the death penalty when he's not affected by that law. Not fair.
Voting for a rain-tax in Britain is easy when you live in the Sahara.

 

[Xando]

Are you British?

And really, are we arguing for the disenfranchisement of people?

No i'm german.

And just because you are born in belgium it shouldn't mean you are allowed to vote in it's election if you are a permanent resident in a different country.

 

[Jasup]

I'm sorry for you all in Turkey, I really am.

 

[chadskin]

Are we sure these are not the Brexit referendum results? :/

 

[Jotaka]

 

[Pomerlaw]

People are stupid.

 

[dakun]

That dude was a worse authoritarian than Erdogan will ever be.

Besides the fact that your statement is BS. He was also a better president for the country than Erdogan ever will be. He paved the way for a secular democratic Turkey.
Turkey would not have been the shining beacon of the muslim world for 70+ years without him.

 

[Chairman Yang]

On the bright side at least there is a huge population in Turkey who have their heads screwed on correctly. Maybe you can turn it around one day.

That population will gradually decline as the education system changes and brainwashes secular people. Turkey's not going to recover--it's going to sink deeper into Islamist authoritarianism going forward.

 

[Funyarinpa]

That dude was a worse authoritarian than Erdogan will ever be.

Hahahahahahahaha
No.

Regardless of the ethics of his means, Atatürk is the man who established core progressive values within the Turkish Republic. Democracy and secularism wouldn't have become real in this country without him. If you think Erdoğan took the country 50 years, Atatürk brought Turkey 100 years into their future. Atatürk created the Turkey that Erdoğan is murdering.

 

[oti]

Are we sure these are not the Brexit referendum results? :/

Democrexit

 

[Shambalakan]

After Brexit, Trump and now this, I'm really scared about hardliners in Iranian presidential election... :|

 

[UnObtainium17]

Just a hunch... my flight to istanbul 2 weeks from now gon be cancelled due to some serious shit about to go down from this election. I'm mentally prepared for it now.

 

[Powwa]

That dude was a worse authoritarian than Erdogan will ever be.

Amount of bullshit coming out of your mouth is unbearable.

 

[Ac30]

Because your choices won't have personal consequences. In the case of Belgium, no big problem. But let's take the death penalty as the best example for my argument.
How can someone vote for the death penalty when he's not affected by that law. Not fair.
Voting for a rain-tax in Britain is easy when you live in the Sahara.

I mean I get your anology but you can be against things like the death penalty ideologically, not because it won't affect you.

I do agree it changes one's perspective.

No i'm german.

And just because you are born in belgium it shouldn't mean you are allowed to vote in it's election if you are a permanent resident in a different country.

Even if I were I would want to, though; it is ultimately still my country, and depending on the choices made, effects are felt beyond its borders - what if they have to vote on BExit and I live in Germany? That would personally affect me. Should I be allowed to vote on that?

We're getting far off the Turkey topic

 

[MistakenMobius]

That dude was a worse authoritarian than Erdogan will ever be.

He made Turkey a modern country, Erdogan is putting the county back to the Stone Age.

 

[Nokterian]

And this is how democracy dies..with a thunderous applause.

 

[Ac30]

Is the final vote tally in?

 

[dakun]

interesting how Turks living in Azerbaijan voted 61% no. They know what it is like to live in a system similar to what Turkey will get.

 

[Pomerlaw]

My colleague Kareem Shaheen has been speaking to AKP supporters.

“I am so happy I have tears in my eyes,” said Irtan Ulu, an AKP voter who was at the party headquarters in Ankara to celebrate their victory. “My heart was about to explode because our society has been swinging so much from side to side.”
Ogu Zhan, another voter, said Erdoğan’s victory in the referendum is a signal of Turkey’s role in the region as a defender of the oppressed in the Middle East, a common refrain for party supporters.
“When Turkey wins the whole world wins because we will be the voice of the oppressed around the world,” he said.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I wanted to visit Istanbul someday too. I actually was going to a few years back. Now I don't know if I'll ever be able to.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Is it fair to say that people in Turkey didn't want this, but citizens outside of Turkey pushed it over 50%?

 

[His Majesty]

Yes the Kurds will be really happy with this result.

 

[SgtCobra]

Surprised.

Not :/

 

[dakun]

Is it fair to say that people in Turkey didn't want this, but citizens outside of Turkey pushed it over 50%?

i think the only fair thing to say is half of Turkey wanted this and half didn't. Whether the needle moves 1% to yes or no matters in the outcome, but not in the general conclusion one has to take from this vote.

 

[Benjamin1981]

How long until the opposition which is questioning the results of this referendum is thrown in prison and never be heard of again?

 

[Funyarinpa]

I think the whole stamp thing is a diversion against the fact that AA really inflated tally numbers.

 

[MistakenMobius]

Is it fair to say that people in Turkey didn't want this, but citizens outside of Turkey pushed it over 50%?

Yeah
Anatolian sheep fuckers screwed it up for all the Turks.

 

[Ac30]

He's right though, they are, as of an hour ago, the voice of the oppressed.

 

[Drencrom]

That dude was a worse authoritarian than Erdogan will ever be.

No voters are more Nationalistic than Yes voters.

TurkGAF please...

 

[skny]

All the cities with higher standarts of living and education voted no what a surprise.

 

[dakun]

TurkGAF please...

actually i would say that the 2nd statement might be right. I consider most AKP voters to be Islamist rather than nationalists. Their allegiance is not to Turkey, as in the republic that Ataturk created, but to Erdogan and his view on a Islamic Turkey.

 

[Oersted]

Philippines, Turkey, GB, USA...


Its apparently quite hard to pass up once in a lifetime mistakes

 

[Funyarinpa]

actually i would say that the 2nd statement might be right. I consider most AKP voters to be Islamist rather than nationalists. Their allegiance is not to Turkey, as in the republic that Ataturk created, but to Erdogan and his view on a Islamic Turkey.

Depends on what you mean by nationalism. AKP voters' allegiance to their nation is in the context that they're A Strong Global Power™ and everyone else, especially Europe, is evil and vile and out to get them. Add in Ottoman sentiments etc. too. CHP voters' nationalism is an adherence to Atatürk-brought values like secularism and valuing science as well as embracing and accepting their nation's history and culture. Nationalism can mean two opposite things here.

 

[Ac30]

Philippines, Turkey, GB, USA...


Its apparently quite hard to pass up once in a lifetime mistakes

How dare you, Duterte is helping the poor!

If they're dead they can't suffer

 

[spekkeh]

On the bright side at least there is a huge population in Turkey who have their heads screwed on correctly. Maybe you can turn it around one day.

The brain drain is already massive (and perhaps one of the reasons this is the election result), what makes you think the people with their head screwed on correctly will stay to turn it around?

 

[Occam]

Anyone not residing in Turkey who voted for Erdogan's dictatorship should be sent back there now. His supporters have no right to continue living in free, secular democratic countries.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

And this is how democracy dies..with a thunderous applause.

Kinda crazy how a Star Wars prequel actually has relevant social commentary for 2016-2017... lol :\

 

[Stinkles]

Anyone not residing in Turkey who voted for Erdogan's dictatorship should be sent back there now. His supporters have no right to continue living in free, secular democratic countries.

Well they do but yeah. I can't vote in the next Scottish referendum and nor should I. I live in the us and the consequences of my vote would be felt by those living there. I shouldn't have that right if I'm permanently expatriated.

 

[His Majesty]

Well they do but yeah. I can't vote in the next Scottish referendum and nor should I. I live in the us and the consequences of my vote would be felt by those living there. I shouldn't have that right if I'm permanently expatriated.

Sadly most of them see themselves as Turkish citizens first and Belgian/Dutch/German/... second.

 

[Funyarinpa]

Anyone not residing in Turkey who voted for Erdogan's dictatorship should be sent back there now. His supporters have no right to continue living in free, secular democratic countries.

The only problem I have with this is that it'd permanently fuck up Turkey itself. This referandum barely indicates some improvement as it is. That influx of Erdoğan lackeys would kill any chance of a democracy.

 

[ezrarh]

Anyone not residing in Turkey who voted for Erdogan's dictatorship should be sent back there now. His supporters have no right to continue living in free, secular democratic countries.

Free up some space for the Turks that don't want to live in a dictatorship.

 

[oti]

MORE: Turkish PM Yildirim says Turkey opening a new page in its democratic history

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/853681768716697600

 

[MistakenMobius]

The only problem I have with this is that it'd permanently fuck up Turkey itself. This referandum barely indicates some improvement as it is. That influx of Erdoğan lackeys would kill any chance of a democracy.

At least they would have to bear the consequences of their votes

 

[Funyarinpa]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/853681768716697600

A page that Erdoğan will rip out and use as toilet paper in the name of Allah

 

[whyamihere]

Here's a pitch: you should need more than a 50+1% vote in a referendum to completely upend your country's political order.

 

[TheRealTalker]

these new powers don't come into effect until the next presidential election

 

[Christhor]

The only problem I have with this is that it'd permanently fuck up Turkey itself. This referandum barely indicates some improvement as it is. That influx of Erdoğan lackeys would kill any chance of a democracy.

Any chance of democracy in Turkey just died.

 

[Ac30]

these new powers don't come into effect until the next presidential election

Erdogan will surely lose that one!

 

[sechsterangriff]

these new powers don't come into effect until the next presidential election

Yes. I'm sure he will wait until then.../s

 

[Funyarinpa]

Any chance of democracy in Turkey just died.

I wish I could say with confidence that you are wrong.