Bo_Hazem
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Hmm, maybe wait for DP 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 converters to hit the market, or the new graphics cards will natively support HDMI 2.1.
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TV's Vs Monitors, and Why TV's Make Much More Sense for Next Gen Consoles
Hmm, maybe wait for DP 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 converters to hit the market, or the new graphics cards will natively support HDMI 2.1.
Mister Wolf
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I've been stalking Club3D's website waiting for them to release to vendors. Even then they aren't cheap I managed to get an order for one on Amazon and its $77 before shipping and tax. They also don't support the VRR/Gsync. Think about how all of this could have been averted with a simple displayport 1.4 that LG provides on even their cheapest monitors.
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Bo_Hazem
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Yup, it's also a problem with my Radeon VII and all current graphics cards that only support HDMI 2.0. If you plan for a new upgrade to like Big Navi or Ampere then better wait for those before upgrading to a new tv. TV's are getting better every year until we reach micrLED, but before than dual layer LCD is wonderful and replicates OLED blacks with LCD reliablity but have issues with viewing angle. I don't know if it's available in any commercial tv yet but should be available sometime in the future.
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slade
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What do you guys think of the Eve Spectrum monitors coming out by the end of the year. The 4k one looks good to me.
| Model 3 | Model 2 | Model 1 | |
| Size | 27-inch | 27-inch | 27-inch |
| Native resolution | 3840 x 2160 | 2560 x 1440 | 2560 x 1440 |
| Brightness | 750nits peak (650nits typical) | 750nits peak (650nits typical) | 450nits peak (400nits typical) |
| HDR | HDR10 | VESA DisplayHDR600 | HDR10 | VESA DisplayHDR600 | HDR10 | VESA DisplayHDR400 |
| Colour depth | 8-bit + A-FRC | 8-bit + A-FRC | 8-bit + A-FRC |
| Frequency range | 48Hz - 144Hz | 48Hz - 240Hz | 48Hz - 144Hz (native) | 48Hz - 165Hz (OC) |
| Response rate | 1ms GtG | 1ms GtG | 1ms GtG |
| Adaptive sync | G-Sync Compatible | FreeSync Premium Pro | G-Sync Compatible | FreeSync Premium Pro | G-Sync Compatible | FreeSync Premium Pro |
| Panel tech | nano-IPS Oxide | nano-IPS Oxide | nano-IPS a-Si |
| Release date | Q4 2020 | Q4 2020 | Q1 2021 |
| Price | $649 (+$100 for stand) | $549 (+$100 for stand) | $399 (+$100 for stand) |
Bo_Hazem
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I'm not sure, if for PC I would say it makes sense, but for next gen consoles I would rather have a tv with HDMI 2.1 features.
Is it for consoles or PC's? And are you into PC shooter games? If not, I would suggest a TV as they're very close in price yet you get way more better picture quality + HDR.
slade
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A TV isn't close in price for the feature set that 4k monitor has. An LG, Sony or Samsung tv with those specs will run a thousand dollars or more with the only advantage of having a larger screen and HDR which to me has never looked all that good.
Anyway, I was mainly considering one of these monitors for my PC. I've had it hooked up to my TV for a while now but I want to try and see if my GPU can take advantage of some of these specs. I'm also hoping PS5 supports 1440p resolution unlike the Pro.
Also, I wanted a traditional desktop setup.
Anyway, I was mainly considering one of these monitors for my PC. I've had it hooked up to my TV for a while now but I want to try and see if my GPU can take advantage of some of these specs. I'm also hoping PS5 supports 1440p resolution unlike the Pro.
Also, I wanted a traditional desktop setup.
Bo_Hazem
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I think you'll be satisfied for that. But for PS5 I think Sony's X900H at 55" for $999 now (probably $700-800 around release) with full HDMI 2.1 support (4K@120Hz, VRR, ALLM, eARC) would be the better deal, I guess.
But if PC gaming is your main goal, all current graphics cards don't support HDMI 2.1, so you need to see what's more important to you. Make up your mind accordingly
But if you're upgrading to Big Navi or Ampere then those should have HDMI 2.1. I would suggest you wait until like PS5 release or after CES 2021 as you'll get much more better prices for current TV's/monitors or maybe see something more exciting in CES 2021 and wait for it.
Bo_Hazem
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I really doubt that, it's 8-bit panels vs 10-but panels. Trust me, you don't need to rush at all, you probably will see PS5 connected to some TV's, and probably X900H in that matter, in the tv store, then you can see if that fits you.
Picture quality should be way better, and HDR is not a gimmick as well it's impressive especially with Sony's 1st party games. I would say if PC gaming, and especially shooters, are more important to you, and you don't like gaming on a sofa/comfy chair then a monitor is no brainer for traditional desktop setup. I think you should be happy with either choices, to be honest, it only comes down to personal preference.
HeisenbergFX4
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Bo_Hazem
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Man, this is getting me even more hyped! I think this will be Sony's best selling TV 2020/2021 for it's great value! It's hard to beat that bargain. Can't wait for the HDMI 2.1 reviews!
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yeah I look forward to those reviews as well.
Take with how ever much salt is needed but spoke with a Sony rep and he said that HDMI 2.1 update will happen shortly before the PS5 launch plus that update should also make the TV work with the Xbox 1440p 120hz update.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Already posted in the OLED thread but repost it here. Im gonna buy a tv this week but can't decide between 2 models, 55 inch Samsung Q90R or the 55 inch LG C9. Im gonna use it as my pc monitor and gaming tv for my consoles. I sit very close to my tv and have a bright room. I use my screen to edit video's, photo's, gaming and designing, so color accuracy and brightness is very important. But i also want to future proof it for next gen consoles and use 4K120hz. Im gonna upgrade my pc next year with the upcoming RTX 3080 or 3080ti (depends on the price). I love the oled panels on my phones (S3, Note4, Note5, S8+, Note 8, S10+ and Note 10+) they are the best, BUT 3 of them had burn in problems and that scared me to choose the oled wich is why i was looking for the Qled. I use my tv 6h - 10h a day with full brightness for editing, will that cause burn in? I use alot of bright colors like cherry red and gold yellow . Also is there anybody that uses a oled as a pc monitor? If yes how is the experience, is it to dim or did you have burn in? The Q90R is the best 4K LED tv at the moment and that one is also looking incredible and its really bright, i saw them both next to each other in the store but they had different video's so it was not a good comparison. BTW i checked every comparison on Youtube and it made it even more complicated for me to choose . I want the brightness of the qled without the burn in and contrast and color accuracy of the oled. The prices are 1389 euro for the qled and 1200 euro for the oled. The new CX 48 inch cost 1699 euro and tbh i didn't see any difference when i compared it with the C9 side by side with the same video. The newer Q95T cost 2299 euro for the 55 inch version and that one has lesser diming zones but a litlle better gaming mode, so its donwgraded in some ways compared to Q90R.
. I want the brightness of the qled without the burn in and contrast and color accuracy of the oled. The prices are 1389 euro for the qled and 1200 euro for the oled. The new CX 48 inch cost 1699 euro and tbh i didn't see any difference when i compared it with the C9 side by side with the same video. The newer Q95T cost 2299 euro for the 55 inch version and that one has lesser diming zones but a litlle better gaming mode, so its donwgraded in some ways compared to Q90R.
Bo_Hazem
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That doesn't need any salt. Full HDMI 2.1 support should provide 1440p with VRR with it. So I think he's talking reasonably and C9/CX are already doing it.
HeisenbergFX4
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Already posted in the OLED thread but repost it here. Im gonna buy a tv this week but can't decide between 2 models, 55 inch Samsung Q90R or the 55 inch LG C9. Im gonna use it as my pc monitor and gaming tv for my consoles. I sit very close to my tv and have a bright room. I use my screen to edit video's, photo's, gaming and designing, so color accuracy and brightness is very important. But i also want to future proof it for next gen consoles and use 4K120hz. Im gonna upgrade my pc next year with the upcoming RTX 3080 or 3080ti (depends on the price). I love the oled panels on my phones (S3, Note4, Note5, S8+, Note 8, S10+ and Note 10+) they are the best, BUT 3 of them had burn in problems and that scared me to choose the oled wich is why i was looking for the Qled. I use my tv 6h - 10h a day with full brightness for editing, will that cause burn in? I use alot of bright colors like cherry red and gold yellow . Also is there anybody that uses a oled as a pc monitor? If yes how is the experience, is it to dim or did you have burn in? The Q90R is the best 4K LED tv at the moment and that one is also looking incredible and its really bright, i saw them both next to each other in the store but they had different video's so it was not a good comparison. BTW i checked every comparison on Youtube and it made it even more complicated for me to choose
I have a C9 and although the chances are slim burn in scares me especially to use it as a PC monitor as you will.
Just curious have you looked at this new Sony X900H we are talking about?
Bo_Hazem
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Already posted in the OLED thread but repost it here. Im gonna buy a tv this week but can't decide between 2 models, 55 inch Samsung Q90R or the 55 inch LG C9. Im gonna use it as my pc monitor and gaming tv for my consoles. I sit very close to my tv and have a bright room. I use my screen to edit video's, photo's, gaming and designing, so color accuracy and brightness is very important. But i also want to future proof it for next gen consoles and use 4K120hz. Im gonna upgrade my pc next year with the upcoming RTX 3080 or 3080ti (depends on the price). I love the oled panels on my phones (S3, Note4, Note5, S8+, Note 8, S10+ and Note 10+) they are the best, BUT 3 of them had burn in problems and that scared me to choose the oled wich is why i was looking for the Qled. I use my tv 6h - 10h a day with full brightness for editing, will that cause burn in? I use alot of bright colors like cherry red and gold yellow . Also is there anybody that uses a oled as a pc monitor? If yes how is the experience, is it to dim or did you have burn in? The Q90R is the best 4K LED tv at the moment and that one is also looking incredible and its really bright, i saw them both next to each other in the store but they had different video's so it was not a good comparison. BTW i checked every comparison on Youtube and it made it even more complicated for me to choose
Color accuracy is one of Sony's obvious advantages. I use my TV for video/photo editing and been suffering with previous LG LCD's.
For productivity you better stick to LED, and with Sony. I didn't touch my settings when connected my PC to my old 2016 4K HDR Sony DX70, it's that accurate, and newer ones should be even better.
I would recommend X900H myself, and save that extra money. You can see here a graphics mode that's meant for productivity and provides accurate colors for such work. I work on DaVincci Resolve for videos and on Polarr for photos. It's critical to have accurate, not exaggerated colors.
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The X950H might be slightly better with 1,200-nits but lacks HDMI 2.1. Or you can go to C9/CX but with PC you're putting it in a very dangerous range to get future banding or burn-ins.
There is no perfect TV, just watch that TV in person and decide for yourself, I personally don't trust other brands for color accuracy, maybe Panasonic but it has no HDMI 2.1.
Kuranghi
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My only issue is that they are 8-bit + 2-bit FRC panels, its hard to tell the difference between that and true 10-bit from what I've seen but it does make a difference in some scenes.
I just read that nvidia doesn't support FRC over HDMI, what does that even mean? I thought the panel just received an 8-bit signal and used FRC to "upgrade" it to the same number of shades as 10-bit. I thought it was all done in the panel, so what do they mean by this?
Its in the 2nd comment.
Ulysses 31
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Kuranghi
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I agree but I'd wait for something coming in September, Vincent showed that the X1 in the XH90 doesn't have super-bitmapping (Smooth Gradation) so I think its more the X1 chip from the XG85 of 2019, in 2020 they are saying the XH80, XH85 AND XH90 all have the X1, so its an upgrade for the 80 series, same for 85 series and looking like a downgrade compared to XF/XG90.
We'll know for definite soon though, hopefully Vincent will compare it to an XF90 and let us know if the picture processing is as good, if it is then I'd assume the X1 Extreme is dead and X1 is rebranded as it, X1U is now the midrange processor (This is hilarious because it smashes the competition already) and a new X1 will be due soon.
What do you think it will be called?
X1... HYPER... lol
Kuranghi
Gold Member
I apreciate the video but dunno if I can agree, the image processing in Vizio's seems to be worse than Samsung and they aren't as good as LG recently so I'd not expect the Vizio OLED to have great image quality, the B9/BX takes some hits to motion processing and near black handling as it is so if its even worse on the Vizio, I don't see the point at the same price. Hisense had an OLED in the UK market in 2018, it was gone within 6 months and store staff I spoke to reported it had really bad build quality/reliability.
Not saying Vizio is Hisense but its another example of a brand trying to undercut LG on price and it didn't work out before at all even though it was a few hundred cheaper.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
I just bought the C9, thnx for the recommendation. If it survives 3 years without burn in than its enough for me, i wil upgrade to 8K oled by then. And the lack of 4K120hz is the reason i didn't consider the Sony. There tv's are amazing but always lack some features compared to LG or Samsung. And its 500 euro's more expansive than the Q90R and C9 so its a bit too much.
HeisenbergFX4
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The x900H is getting full HDMI 2.1 support which means also 4k 120hz and where you are the 900H is more expensive then a C9? wow
Kuranghi
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I think they meant the AG8 was more expensive than the C9 or Q90R.
Bo_Hazem
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For me the X900H is a 4-5 years gaming tv then goes to the living room, then will jump into 8K HDR microLED (Sony's Crystal LED) as soon as it's reasonably priced and released around PS5 Pro!
I was waiting for Sony's WH-1000XM4, but since I saw the Pulse 3D I'm going for it instead. I think it'll have some rumble features like back in the day!
Overall I don't think monitors are good enough for console gaming, maybe PC yes, but not console gaming. You pay more for less. But some like them, so everyone picks what suits his preference.
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HeisenbergFX4
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My main gaming even console is done on monitor and my main reasoning is when I play shooters I have much less ground to area to look at searching for targets.
Kuranghi
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I do think its worth the extra money for a Sony OLED over a similar priced LG OLED, especially if you plan to use high values for the motion settings but I don't blame people not wanting to spend the extra when its $500.
I was selling 2019 AF8s against C8s with a £300 difference (about $400 now, but prob $450 in 2018) and it was still pretty hard if they were budget conscious (75% of people), even though most average users won't get external speakers so would definitely get use out of the Acoustic Surface speaker system and most will probably use the motion settings for sports/by default, so they'd definitely see a less motion artifacts.
They were also worried that the acoustic surface would ruin the picture somehow even though I used to play a 77" one at 80/100 volume for 10 hours a day for a year and nothing went wrong with the picture or speakers.
The only thing is that most people don't really see the motion artifacts, or thought I was just being a devious salesman trying to slag off the competition but all the people I worked with at Sony that now work for LG (There is a lot of movement between brands in my type of work) say the motion is miles better on LG and they really need to get up to Sony's level, because at that point it would be a more balanced battle.
I was selling 2019 AF8s against C8s with a £300 difference (about $400 now, but prob $450 in 2018) and it was still pretty hard if they were budget conscious (75% of people), even though most average users won't get external speakers so would definitely get use out of the Acoustic Surface speaker system and most will probably use the motion settings for sports/by default, so they'd definitely see a less motion artifacts.
They were also worried that the acoustic surface would ruin the picture somehow even though I used to play a 77" one at 80/100 volume for 10 hours a day for a year and nothing went wrong with the picture or speakers.
The only thing is that most people don't really see the motion artifacts, or thought I was just being a devious salesman trying to slag off the competition but all the people I worked with at Sony that now work for LG (There is a lot of movement between brands in my type of work) say the motion is miles better on LG and they really need to get up to Sony's level, because at that point it would be a more balanced battle.
Kuranghi
Gold Member
I think it definitely makes a difference, my flatmate games on a 55" TV at about 4' distance, he misses stuff in the corners all the time lol
Minimum viewing distances are definitely a thing.
Bo_Hazem
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I think your thick, muscled neck due to previous profession is hindering your agility
. Yes, I agree with you if that thing is annoying for you. I think you can spot your enemies very easily with bigger screens.
Kuranghi
Gold Member
Will you only be playing next-gen consoles on it or are you getting an HDMI 2.1 GPU? Or both?
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Nope i meant the 900H, but its not 500 more expensive i was wrong, its 200 more for 900H and 500 more for 950H.
Both
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Kuranghi
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Oh right. Why didn't you get an AG8 then? Is it still more money than the C9?
edit - oh wait im being an idiot, its because you wanted HDMI 2.1 on your set. Got it.
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Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Yup, the AG8 cost 300 more than C9 and doesn't have HDMI 2.1. Sony's are expensive here in Belgium.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That was gorgeous just watched it and my old eyes thought the 900H handled that motion great.
Kuranghi
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If you watch it in your youtube app in the TV it will be in HDR as well, say "search youtube for native american fancy war dance 4K" and it should bring it up as first result, as long as you have the voice search set up obviously lol.
*Heisenberg shouts at his TV that has no microphone inside it*
HeisenbergFX4
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bumleforce
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Which one do u think actually does games better? It’s will just be a game tv. Sounds like the Sony. I’m looking at that one as well
bumleforce
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Thanks for all the help with this guys. Good thoughtful info
S0ULZB0URNE
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LOL what?
TYRiAX
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i agree that TV's are the way to go however my situation for the next few years means I can only play my consoles on a maximum of 27inch monitor so I'm still looking for some monitor to give me the best performance possible - even sticking with 1080p would not be a problem if i could guarantee a monitor that gives me the same colour and clarity as my 6 year old bravia TV haha
so I'm still looking for some monitor to give me the best performance possible - even sticking with 1080p would not be a problem if i could guarantee a monitor that gives me the same colour and clarity as my 6 year old bravia TV haha
HeisenbergFX4
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The Sony hands down for gaming it has too many gaming features.
Bo_Hazem
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i agree that TV's are the way to go however my situation for the next few years means I can only play my consoles on a maximum of 27inch monitor
For monitors you should share what you think is great for next gen consoles, and well try to find out. Might even list it in the OP to help people that have tight spaces for such TV's.
I think this would make you happy, the 4K version, I think it supports HDMI 2.1, just keep an eye for it:
SPECTRUM FULL SPECS
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namekuseijin
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as exciting a discussion as kinetoscope vs cinematograph
icerock
Member
Slim pickings for folks like me who prefer to game on their monitor. Desk space is limited (27" max I can fit in), so I can't use a TV as a monitor either. Looking at some of these 4K HDR monitors with high refresh rate, the prices are completely absurd. You could buy both PS5, Series X and still have enough change for a cheap 4K TV for the price of one! Also, the HDR on these monitors is so ass, it'll pale in comparison to some of the gimmicky HDR you find in entry level 4K sets. Perhaps, time to do a redesign of the room later this year.
What's the progress on these OLEDs from perspective of HDR? Can they stack up to QLEDs from Samsung?
What's the progress on these OLEDs from perspective of HDR? Can they stack up to QLEDs from Samsung?
Bo_Hazem
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You hear a lot from experts, but you'll be more than amazed by OLED's HDR content, maybe let's say shocked of how good it is. Those experts have extremely high expectations, so that can be somehow tricky to see what actually matters to you.
I you love OLED and you think you won't be gaming 8+ hours daily or use it as a monitor for very long periods, and you can deal with some judder at 24-30fps then pick LG C9/B9/CX/BX.
If you have a tight budget and you still want a wonderful image with amazing motion control (240Hz) and accurate colors/picture details then go for Sony X900H. If you don't have enough space for it on the desk, you can always place it on the wall and use some of those flexible mounts. A recliner chair is the best combination but you can still use your usual desktop setup but 2 meters to the back.
I bought my recliner for like 44 OMR ($114 USD) in clearance which is a steal! Those manual recliners aren't expensive and you'll laugh at the traditional desktop setup once you start gaming on it.
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