Darn shame, made me rethink of buying cx but it seems like it'll be the option since don't have any more space for a wider table. Well both of them sounds great so guess it isn't to bad beside the wallet and size
Darn shame, made me rethink of buying cx but it seems like it'll be the option since don't have any more space for a wider table. Well both of them sounds great so guess it isn't to bad beside the wallet and size
Unfortunately the wall is on the weaker side so rather not risk it thanks for the suggestion though, also that quite a cool setup love the cable workYou can always wall mount it though:
H9G is gorgeous and near OLED level with LCD reliability.
The H9G is wonderful, and picture quality and, brightness, blacks should go for it (180 dimming zones vs 32).
But It's HDMI 2.0, so sometimes it's better to have slightly downgrade overall image quality for more gaming focused features. In his video the Sony looks off actually, before going to final decision it's better to see them in person.
I would still recommend X900H for gaming, as it still provides very solid picure quality and HDR with full HDMI 2.1 features.
If you have the luxury/rooms, have both
Yup, I always tell people to do that. In the end all the numbers & techno-babble doesn't amount to all that much. Nothing beats first-hand experience.
As an unsatisfied C9 owner, I'm pretty bummed that 2020 isn't bringing any real alternative that can offer a complete package for gaming and movies. The X900H is clearly the best of the bunch on paper, but on the whole it's clear that 2020 is a transition year for Sony TVs. Their best TVs for picture quality and features won't get HDMI 2.1 and on the opposite side, the X900H is the most complete package but lacks the most advanced image features. Also, I still think I'd be happier with a 48"-49" than a 55".
So we'll have to wait a full year for a new line of TVs that can offer everything in a single product (not just from Sony, of course), and at least a year and a half for a sale on those new TVs. Had I waited before buying the C9, I'd definitely be considering the X900H now (or probably the X950H if it just had the gaming features), but as more and more information gets out, this looks less and less the ideal moment to buy a new TV. Alas, in Europe we don't get Vizio, and Hisense/TCL are budget brands with no intention of putting their best products against the LG/Sony/Samsung trifecta, so there's really no alternative but to wait for Sony on the LED front.
First world problems, yeah
I'm not looking for the best IQ. I thought I'd had gotten that with OLED, and in a sense it's true, but OLED motion is something I cannot unsee.
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Not that it'd ever show up in Europe, but 65" only? It's quite amazing to me that the big-screen market is more profitable for these manufacturers than the sub-50" segment. Looking for comments on the X900H I've seen lots of people reporting on their 75" or even 85", but I've never personally seen anything bigger than a 65" in a real household. I'd probably struggle to fit a 65" in my living room, and even sitting at 8-10 feet from the screen even 55" isn't always comfortable for my gaming.
It's like you won't expect big SUV's to sell well in Europe, yet the top 2 best selling cars here are full-size SUV's (Nissan Patrol and Toyota Land Cruiser).It isn't even about loudness though. But a warm sound and clear bass. I'm happy with my bookshelves I was just admiring how good these look.
It isn't even about loudness though. But a warm sound and clear bass. I'm happy with my bookshelves I was just admiring how good these look.
), so I don't really want to plug and unplug those constantly;
Just gonna drop my own few cents here. I was doing a research before upgrading the tv, and settled down on 55' C9 quite a while ago. I still believe that it is the best TV you can get for a moment for mixed use (Streaming/Video playback from external sources/gaming). Yes, the HDR is not as bright as Samsung's top-tier QLEDs, and motion (de-judder) setting are too extreme out of the box, but everything is perfectly fixable with the settings. I usually play in the evenings/nights due to work schedule, so OLED fits me due to inherited suitability for dark rooms. However, even on the bright day I cannot say that I have a need to close the curtains or anything like it. That said, I suppose that if one have a really sunny and bright room, LED/QLED will do better job for viewing comfort.
With my PS4 Pro, I haven't spotted anything wrong with motion on 30FPS resolution mode in GoW, or 60FPS locked in COD:MW for that matter (using game mode, naturally). 24fps movies are going smooth as well, with de-blur and de-judder set to 2 each, Real Cinema on and OLED motion turned off (I keep it turned off for all modes, it does not make much sence to use it tbh), and needless to say that the image quality with HDR/Doulby Vision content is just so great.
One more good thing about -9 and -X LG series is the support of HGIG HDR sub-format that improves the HDR quality of the games that support it (COD:MW is in the list at the moment, not sure about any other games). I am not sure if HGIG is supported by XH90, but as soon as Sony is a member of HGIG group I believe that support should be there. AFAIK HGIG removes the double-HDR application by source and TV on some occasions if dynamic tone mapping is used (it actually substitutes DTM for game content), plus carry the HDR metadata (as HDR10/DV), making picture subjectively brighter and increasing contrast.
Instant game response (and VRR!) is actually not supported by PS4, but manually assigned game mode to the respective input works just fine. I hope PS5 will support instant game response though.
Few cents on burn-in as well - RTINGS test for older panels (7-series LGs) does not show any kind of extreme degradation within a reasonable time:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
Since then, panels' pixel layouts have changed to diminish the burn-in effect more. That said, if you would like to run an OLED as a PC screen, I would be worried, too.
By the way, here in Poland we have a huge LG assembly facility where those OLEDs are made. I got in touch with LG rep before purchase, and I got informed that officially none of LGs from series 9 have ever been returned/called for warranty due to the burn-in. That said, if any significant burn-in occur, the usual practice it to grant 1 panel replacement within the standard 2-year warranty period.
Last but not the list - I have been looking for XH90 as well. However, 2 things have stopped me from going for it:
1. Only 1 port supporting HDMI 2.1 features - I am planning to get both consoles eventually (PS5 first ofc
2. Price. Here in Poland, 55XH90 costs exactly the same money (max $100-150 cheaper) as 55C9:
Should we have XH90 cheaper (as it is, let's say, in US) then it would have some great leverage.
Anyways, if anyone around is interested in any kind of info on this set, I would be glad to share more first-hand reviews
I have the EVE on preorder but also looking at this display.
Though it only has HDR 600 thats still very bright sitting on your desk imo.
It only has HDMI 2.0 as far as I know thing is I don't see games next gen pushing 4k 120fps.
These games have been saying they have a high frame rate option which says 1440p or 1080p to hit 120 fps which HDMI 2.0 will handle.
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(in fact, my first one arrived with broken lower left angle). However, no kids so far and cat does not express any meaningful interest to it, so I guess I am safe 
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;Indeed, my bad here. Price argument still holds though
The H9G is wonderful, picture quality, brightness, and blacks should go for it (180 dimming zones vs 32).
But it's HDMI 2.0, so sometimes it's better to slightly downgrade overall image quality for more gaming focused features. In his video the Sony looks off actually, before going to final decision it's better to see them in person.
I would still recommend X900H for gaming, as it still provides very solid picure quality and HDR with full HDMI 2.1 features.
If you have the luxury/rooms, have both
Thanks Bo! The struggle was real though. There were not so many choices for HDMI2.1 at the time I bought it, but there was some serious side-by-side comparison between LG and Samsung Q90/Q80. Hell, I was considering even Q900, and image was so good, but price and lack of 8k content diverted me from the purchase.
One more thing forgot to mention about the LG - it is so thin, and the outer layer of panel is covered with glass, so I am constantly worried that I will crack it
And yes, I know that you are practically living here. There is no TV in existence that will hold for long with your uptime. Get some life ffs
I would fully agree with your recommendations, with more specific detailed breakdown below (there is a lot of text, so I broke it up as Q&A). Disclaimer: the wall of text below is related purely to discussion of TVs for next-gen consoles and everyday use, and represents my personal opinion on the matter based on 6 months of reading/watching the reviews and lurking on forums. If you are looking for set with intention to use it for different (more specialized) purposes, please go ahead and check the dedicated reviews.
- If not to be used as a PC monitor;
- If the room is dimly lit, dark, or if curtains are acceptable - you would really love that amazing black color and colors intensity;
- If rather safe placement is possible - construction is sturdy overall, but LG OLED's top half is super thin and glass screen can be cracked;
- If price is not an issue, as most of OLEDs are more expensive than their LED counterparts.
For OLEDs, you would not find many options that have HDMI 2.1 on board. You would want to go for LG -9 or -X series. In theory, you also have LG -W series and Sony Z8H, but prices for those are so high that I will not even go into the details about it. If you would like to save some, try to find the B9 - there is a high chance that you will see some good deals for those. C9 is a baseline model, with BX/CX to follow (however, currently there is no reason to recommend BX over B9/C9 for any use). All those boast 4 HDMI 2.1 port that should serve you well in the future ahead.
If you are not in rush to get one, there are couple of upcoming options you may be interested in.
For US customers, Vizio is about to release a new 4k OLED with HDMI 2.1 support this year:
Vizio's OLED TVs with HDMI 2.1 to launch this fall, starting at $1300
Will be cheaper than LG's most affordable OLED TVs
Xiaomi is releasing their own 4k OLED with HDMI 2.1 as well:
Xiaomi TV Master Series specs leak: 65-inch OLED TV with HDMI 2.1, variable refresh rate, MEMC, and quad-core A73 custom chip
The Xiaomi TV Master Series has only just been announced, with a 65-inch 120 Hz OLED making up the range so far. Now some specs for the upcoming smart TV have been leaked by a Xiaomi manager on Weibo. The Xiaomi TV Master will apparently offer users HDMI 2.1, MEMC image-smoothing technology...
However, just time will tell how good those will be; pretty much the only thing can be said for certain - those will not cost as much as LGs. For current situation, LG -9 and -X series recommendation still holds.
- Software is not updated very often, and OS version does not making a "big" jump from gen to gen (e.g from WebOS 4 to WebOs 5 - so 9 series is not bound to have the version 5, unless LG will change its policy). Usually not a big issue as all "necessary" apps are available anyway;
- Some issues with AVR-first setups (if you are plugging your source to AVR and doing a pass-through of video signal to TV cia ARC/eARC); some degree of sound delay is observed with such setups and LG OLEDs (from 7 series). Could potentially be solved with new eARC HDMI 2.1 compatible AVRs (such as new Denon AVR-XX700H series - X6700H, X4700H and such) and/or with the software update (it is a known issue, but update is pending from LG for quite a while);
- You will need to spend some time playing around with settings for each picture mode (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision, Game SDR, Game HDR) to get optimal results;
- Not super-bright HDR - however, this is applicable to all OLEDs.
- If you are using a TV as a PC monitor;
- If you are using TV to watch the content with a lot of static elements (news, sports) - while OLED burn-in is not even remotely as common as it was before, with LED you are completely immune to one (for more info on burn-in check here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test);
- Subjectively, LCD TVs build are less "fragile" (at least in comparison to LG OLEDs). Could be important if kids/animals/any other "dangerous" environments are involved. Now, here is important to mention that I have never seen or heard about anyone broken their LG OLED TV, but its very thin body in the upper half and glass screen does not add any confidence
- If you are using your TV in a brightly lit room, as peak HDR brightness of LEDs (QLEDs) is usually much superior to any OLED;
- Bigger variety of different options on the market and generally lower price in comparison to LEDs (in general, it is not so much applicable for the HDMI 2.1 ones just yet, with some new models coming this year).
There are not many options here either. You are bound to buy a Samsung QLEDs (Q70T, Q80T, Q90T, Q90R, Q95T, Q800T, Q900TS, Q950TS ), LG 2020 lineup of NanoCell TVs (LG brand of Quantum dot LEDs), or new Sony XH90/X900H. According to the most of opinions I have seen and heard, the XH90 is the best out of the bunch, among the 4k models. If you have a generous budget, you may look for Samsung Q900/Q950 which are absolutely stunning - I have seen those personally, running real-life 4k content from Netflix and not a demo videos from the store. Recently released 2020 lineup of LG Nanocells were getting some good reviews as well; you may want to take a look on 8k models (99 series) that are very good for the price, too. Other then that, Vizio and TCL are about to release new models with 2.1 support in 2020 as well; however, in Europe and most countries outside of North America Vizio is not available at all, and TCL are very selective and not shipping some top-of-the-line models to many countries.
In my opinion, there is no big benefits of going for X series over 9 series. If you cannot have a good deal on the former (for example if you are living outside of US and don't have those crazy Black Friday deals), slight differences (I am not even calling those improvements with that regard) does not worth it in the end, IMO.
If to talk about real, meaningful differences of X, I can name an addition of FreeSync Premium to and newer WebOs in CX (as I mentioned before, LG is infamous of not updating the older models all the way up to the newer systems).
On the one hand, picking X over 9 you are loosing native DTS decoding (for those who need one - e.g. if you are watching digital content from hard drive or streaming platform), along with paying more for this year's model.
On the other hand, one thing that is circulating around is the difference in the bandwidth between the -9 series (full 48Gbps) and -X series (40Gbps). This is quite interesting topic, but for sake of brevity I truly believe that it is not needed to go deep into in there. There are just 2 things to mention: 40Gbps is all you need for for 4:4:4 RGB, 10-bit HDR, 4k/120 FPS. So you are all set. In addition, CX supports BFI (black frame insertion) for 120Hz and native AV1 decoding (may be relevant in future, YT and Netflix are rumored to test the format for the future rollout). There is a slightly better processor, too (this enabled AV1 support and FreeSync).
Now, you will still get all you need for next-gen and day-to-day use with C9. Does all those small updates of CX cost all the extra money, taking into account that C9 prices went down significantly? I will leave it to you to decide. For me it didn't.
Short answer: No for majority, and depends for all the rest.
Long answer: if you have a decent 4k TV that can push 4k/60 FPS, and especially if it boasts a decent-level HDR, I would not update just yet. Yes, there will be some 120fps games on PS5 and XSX, but 4k/60 will be good for absolute majority of games for a while and prevent spending unnecessary amount of money on some marginal update you may get. Wait for another year or two - Samsung OLEDs should be released next year, plus MiniLED should eventually arrive as well. On the other hand, if budget is not a problem, and/or if you currently have just 1080p TV, go for it - difference is staggering.
Indeed, my bad here. Price argument still holds though
About the Samsungs - I actually like their approach with ConnectBox that they have, its pretty flexible and allows for cool cable management.
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, although it seems that it looks better, there are some critical things that made him take X900H over it: Motion, upscaling, HDMI 2.1, faster UI etc.
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