When you have a microphone in your face, a camera in your face, and two other people in your face, you tend to get tunnel vision.
I don't fault them, and neither should anyone else.
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Two Virginia television journalists fatally shot in on-air attack[READ OP]
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When you have a microphone in your face, a camera in your face, and two other people in your face, you tend to get tunnel vision.
I don't fault them, and neither should anyone else.
It's a live report. They are supposed to filter out distractions.
User 100115
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When reporters are doing live spots, people tend to wander over and looking their direction might encourage them to 'troll' the live spot. Reporters tend to ignore everything around them when they are live.
ThatGuyAgain
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I don't have twitter and haven't followed the BlackLives/AllLives debate but can understand how sensitive that can become. My comment was related in context to the lack of gun control in the US... not about race.
Summer Haze
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She actually does notice him and briefly turns her head only to look back at the woman being interviewed right before he lifts the gun. The woman being interviewed was most likely too busy concentrating on what she had to say to take much notice of him.
eot
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They have an editorial staff, they broadcast information selectively, not indiscriminately.
Well, it's all rather obvious why that is the case.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Yeah it happens all the time. Live TV shows will say *thing* is the #1 trend on Twitter and it won't even show up for me.
Miles Quaritch
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I can absolutely understand and appreciate why people don't want it aired, but airing the footage might actually a good thing in some ways. It presents the horrors of gun violence in all its brutality and might actually result in a positive change.
Again, I can absolutely appreciate why people don't want it aired, but I feel it's actually something that people should be forced to watch. It's too easy to dismiss gun violence when you're not presented with direct footage of its indiscriminate and unavoidable brutality. All those people who then come out of the woodwork with their claims of 'if only everyone had been armed, he might have been stopped', this serves as an example to why that line of thinking is flawed.
If this doesn't result in at least some reforms, I just don't know. The US really will be a list cause with how it deals with guns.
You're twisting it a bit. This isn't really what people are talking about when they talk about protecting themselves. Sure, you're right, if someone wants to sneak up behind you and shoot you in the head, then yes, you can't defend against that. Do you really think that's what people are trying to protect against? They want to have protection against situations where they are getting robbed, where there is random violence like the movie theater killings, etc. Some people just feel better about having the ability to protect themselves in these situations.
There's the reality of the situation, and then there's what you choose to extrapolate from it for political purposes. Most things can be spun either way. The likelihood that this dude probably suffered from a mental illness is pretty good. Can you think of a better explanation for his actions? To me, that alone demonstrates the necessity for increased gun control (among many others factors not related to mental illness).
That said, if other groups want to twist that and try to limit it to a discussion on healthcare, then their logic is beyond my own. Certainly there is a debate to be had on how we recognize and treat the mentally ill... but controlling the access to guns in this country seems like a decent first step.
I disagree. Many people walk around with attitudes like this. People need to be aware where this line of thinking leads.
IMHO the only thing that can prevent this kind of thing is people recognizing that someone is unstable and intervening in some way.
To say "welp he was just a evil person" and ignore the real or perceived events that lead to this mental state is just burrying your head in the sand.
Yep, that was my earlier point.
la flama blanca
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It's not as simple as you've described it. On the surface yeah, his anger pretty much wears that banner, but he was obviously mentally ill and claiming discrimination by other blacks for being gay is a clue to a more nuanced issue.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I would just like to say that while this is true, it is not a good reason to continue to allow people to have guns. No matter how responsible most people are, guns are too dangerous and inappropriate to be made available to the general population.
As Jim Jefferies said, the only possible defence you have is "because you like 'em." And he's right, there is simply no other reason to own a gun.
I know it will be incredibly hard. Just start making small steps. America must find a way. It has to.
ErasureAcer
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I'd say the even simpler solution is to just ban them all together and fuck psych evals. Have a gun on you...you go to jail.
You want a fucking gun? Play a video game.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
You give the general population too much credit for nuance.
People will cherry pick what they want from this "Manifesto".
I actually didn't find out about what he said from news outlets, but from twitter and facebook and he did post stuff on social media. It's basically impossible it wasn't going to spread out even if the news didn't report it.
glaringradio
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I'm sure, as others have said, that gun control in the US isn't going to be an easy process. But surely putting a halt on issuing licenses and selling guns is a starting point.
doctorblurg
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You make a good point I do think the motives of the killer should be expressed but I don't think presenting it in the way it was written is appropriate
Hari Seldon
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Ok just try and vote on that.
If someone wants to view something I can't stop them, how is giving them an option an issue?
Lucky they don't have to edit out any specific content, they just don't have to release it the day of the shooting. I'm completely fine with them stating that they have the manifesto, but releasing it so soon only increases the interest people have in the killer.
There are better ways to handle news stories of tragedies like this than to constantly talk about and analyze the killer.
BertramCooper
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No, it's not graphic. It's deeply, deeply disturbing, but it's not graphic.
eot
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You don't need to air that stuff to figure out that he's crazy. The people who commit these acts know that they'll get attention for whatever sick message they have. This guy clearly wants the attention, bad enough to fucking kill people, film it and post it online. Don't give him what he wants and don't send the message that this is a good way to get attention.
Look up the definition of "graphic."
Go ahead. Just do it.
The video is graphic.
thecouncil
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Well, foreigners calling for gun control in America probably isn't the best way to get through to those that are blocking it, but I guess it's worth a shot!
Fenderputty
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Not that video games caused this, but I don't disagree with the comparison. The shooters video from a FPS perspective was eerily similar yet real. It's the main reason I felt the video was troubling.
It's pretty amazing how this parallels the church shooting Charleston. Both were clearly unhinged, both left racist manifestos to explain their actions.
It's going to be hard to argue THIS guy was 'just' crazy, but not actually racist. But THAT OTHER guy was racist, etc.
Just a thought: every time we highlight race, especially in a divisive way, maybe that does real damage. At the very least: some people can't handle it.
It's going to be hard to argue THIS guy was 'just' crazy, but not actually racist. But THAT OTHER guy was racist, etc.
Just a thought: every time we highlight race, especially in a divisive way, maybe that does real damage. At the very least: some people can't handle it.
"The Brits want gun control so they can reconquer us!"
BertramCooper
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giving a vivid picture with explicit detail.
Nope, not graphic.
I'm assuming the shooter's P.O.V. video is very graphic, but the footage from the news report is not.
Zabant
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Maybe a bit of global shaming will get some people to wake up, then again..it will probably just cause more bad sentiment from within the country against non-us nations
What will be interesting will be the right's response to this relative to their response to Charleston.
I'm talking about the POV footage.
i have a feeling this will be the tragedy that finally gets mainstream america to realize the true caustic nature of our gun culture that enables a constant cycle of murder, or at least forces them to have the conversation
for years i have said "why don't we have mandatory psych evals when buying a gun or renewing a license and bar the mentally unstable from owning guns" and the response i always get from the fools is "but bad guys will still get guns from somewhete!!" as if the possibility of illegally circumventing a law means there should not be one at all
perhaps now that white people have been killed by a deranged black man who should have been barred from gun ownership people will understand that just because you cannot prevent all tragedy does not mean you should not do what you can to prevent most tragedies
for years i have said "why don't we have mandatory psych evals when buying a gun or renewing a license and bar the mentally unstable from owning guns" and the response i always get from the fools is "but bad guys will still get guns from somewhete!!" as if the possibility of illegally circumventing a law means there should not be one at all
perhaps now that white people have been killed by a deranged black man who should have been barred from gun ownership people will understand that just because you cannot prevent all tragedy does not mean you should not do what you can to prevent most tragedies
These types of comments are so unrealistic and so far removed from reality that I think they actually hinder the gun control issue. Removing guns from our society is not going to happen.
ErasureAcer
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I get your point but AllLivesMatter is from BLM's perspective seen as anti-black. These victims were white. You see where I'm going? Don't hashtag anything AllLivesMatter unless you want to see a race war. Hashtags spelled the same don't distinguish between intent whether it be about race or lack of gun control. They all go to the same place. Saying "RIP" to AllLivesMatter will then essentially call up your post history...and people wondering why you say "RIP" to AllLivesMatter when white people die but not BLM when black people die. It'd be stoking the flames of perceived racist bias. Unless of course, you've said "RIP" or some other message on BLM...in which case you can point and say, I do this for all victims of violence. While your reasoning is sound to me...that's not how'd it be perceived. Don't hashtag anything ALM or WLM no matter your intent.
Because it doesn't make any sense with your reasoning.
But beyond that, what is the appropriate time frame for releasing important information to a developing story? The entire purpose of the news is to deliver breaking information to top stories. That is how it will always be.
Well it was.
Getting defensive about it does not make it less true.
As far as those saying that they should not release the manifesto, are you saying that they should cover it up? Hide it or bury it, something along those lines?
We talk about the mindset of killers all the time when something like this happens, and yet almost every time people cite that the person never seemed like he/she would hurt anyone. I agree that people need to understand signs, but for most of these killers the signs are most obvious after the shooting happens.
The OP doesn't link to that video though
Amory
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as like 100 people in this thread alone have said, if sandy hook didn't do it, this isn't gonna do it
sandy hook was a fucking nightmare, and it sparked about a 2 week "conversation" while some people called it a false flag operation and harassed victims' families.
Comparing it to a video game doesn't mean video games are at fault.
I watched the POV video. The first thing I thought was "Damn, this looks like an FPS."
Wellington
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I just saw the killer's GoPro vid, horrifying. I am amazed they didn't notice when he got so close with the gun drawn.
Absolute tragedy.
Absolute tragedy.
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