Ubisoft suing SomethingAwful for fake porno image of Jade Raymond on its forums
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Gary Whitta
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Pffft, male "rockstar" developers all do the same thing. It just seems more obvious when it's a woman.BishopLamont said:
avatar299 said:
Hey, I've been fighting rampant sexism on here since forever. See my custom title, received in the "HEY LOOK HOT CHICKS ARE PLAYING THE WII (I'D BANG THE ONE ON THE LEFT) " thread.
Gary Whitta said:
Yeah. CliffyB is a hip industry icon who we should all aspire to be, Jade Raymond is an attention whore who was askin' for it. There's a serious double standard there.
monchi-kun
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avatar299 said:
Perrin isn't a hottie
MrNyarlathotep
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Gary Whitta said:
Exactly. Or that the only role she could possibly serve in game development is being eye candy for journalists to hype a product, because, you know, girlslol.
CrushDance
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"Please buy my game because I'm Jade!" Would have sufficed. This is implying everything she got to to this point has been just because of her looks and nothing else. And how about we stop the "shining knight" comments?
Nobody is saying that the PS's on here were appropriate either. But did you ever see someone making something overtly sexual like this? All these people. Moore, Perrin, Jaffe, Itagaki, Cassmasina have been made fun of for their looks and relationships* but nobody ever demeaned them to the point of saying "He/she got here because of this".
There's a difference between PSing some old guy checking out his grand-daughter playing with a wiimote and depicting Jade as being some whore.
I'm not "defending" her and I'm not even sure why I'm saying this. But that's no way to depict someone so new* to the industry, and call me "lame" a woman in a graphical manner like that. Just because of the way she looks. Then again like I've been saying all that would have happened is "lol" on SA and life goes on.
Nobody is saying that the PS's on here were appropriate either. But did you ever see someone making something overtly sexual like this? All these people. Moore, Perrin, Jaffe, Itagaki, Cassmasina have been made fun of for their looks and relationships* but nobody ever demeaned them to the point of saying "He/she got here because of this".
There's a difference between PSing some old guy checking out his grand-daughter playing with a wiimote and depicting Jade as being some whore.
I'm not "defending" her and I'm not even sure why I'm saying this. But that's no way to depict someone so new* to the industry, and call me "lame" a woman in a graphical manner like that. Just because of the way she looks. Then again like I've been saying all that would have happened is "lol" on SA and life goes on.
Oldschoolgamer
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karasu said:
Yea, I stay away from it and 4chan...
Pretty much, but, that makes so much sense seeing as though, "hur hur attention whore hur hur" is the only reason why she would be in the front.
And again, people can't read. Its already been stated that the comic isn't the main issue.
Ugh...its useless. I've already said my peace. I should probably just exit the thread, before I say something to get me banned.
BamYouHaveAids
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It's about as distateful as the million of pedobear photoshops this board spams daily. I don't see how accusing someone of being a pedophile is anymore distasteful then calling someone a whore.CrushDance said:
Get a grip, the only reason any of you are so vehemently against it is, because she has been your jack-off material for a month and this threathens your supply of fresh content. Just read the first 10 pages of the AC thread; you could probably hear the sounds of synchornized dick beating without even opening it.
TheJollyCorner
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Sullen said:
I KNOW MAN! I wish everyone was a distasteful douchebag! We could just fill every post with :lol :lol :lol smilies and throw rocks at cripples! LAWL!
shit... people with good sense ruin it for EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chiggs
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Sullen said:
Yeah, pretty amusing, isn't it? Now ask yourself how many of them are self-loathing shut-ins with low self-esteem who daydream about Jade being the only woman in a sea of screeching hags that can see just how deep and intelligent they really are. :lol
I wonder if white knight complex led to the legal action.
BamYouHaveAids said:
Well again, I think there's a degree of the tastefulness of the delivery, here.
There's a difference between a comic that implies she's emphasizing her sexual charms to sell her game, and this comic which amounts to softcore Jade Raymond hentai. Moneyshots aren't exactly light imagery, and the fact that the comic says that she's stupid doesn't help its case.
I think people would be much more up in arms about pedobear images if instead of simply being a "Uh oh! Pedobear is coming!" shadow it was some kid giving the bear a blowjob.
Lost Fragment
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WTF is with all of the people being all like "soooo distasteful. Poor Jade 
"
The comic isn't funny, but jeez, give me a break. How's Assassin's Creed, guys?
"The comic isn't funny, but jeez, give me a break. How's Assassin's Creed, guys?
Fuck off UbiSoft.
They've flaunted the poor girl like a piece of meat ever since she first arrived at the company. They know that she's popular with the press and the hardcore fans because she's hot and they've made absolutely sure to exploit that fact. Did you ever see EA flaunting her about? Or Sony? No. Because they wanted to leave the woman with a shred of dignity at the end of it all.
It's like the Fragdolls all over again. It doesn't matter that they are nice people, it doesn't matter that they have something more to offer, Ubi pimp them to high heaven because they are pretty and know that hot + geeks = sales.
This is the price you pay for using your employees as sex objects in your PR. If you don't want people making comics of Jade Raymond sucking dicks, don't send her out to metaphorically do exactly that.
They've flaunted the poor girl like a piece of meat ever since she first arrived at the company. They know that she's popular with the press and the hardcore fans because she's hot and they've made absolutely sure to exploit that fact. Did you ever see EA flaunting her about? Or Sony? No. Because they wanted to leave the woman with a shred of dignity at the end of it all.
It's like the Fragdolls all over again. It doesn't matter that they are nice people, it doesn't matter that they have something more to offer, Ubi pimp them to high heaven because they are pretty and know that hot + geeks = sales.
This is the price you pay for using your employees as sex objects in your PR. If you don't want people making comics of Jade Raymond sucking dicks, don't send her out to metaphorically do exactly that.
hydragonwarrior
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Understandable response from ubisoft. It's more hilarious to see people defending the comic. Not all girls will enjoy seeing themselves in a web comic with sexual references.
You guys probably won't mind though.
You guys probably won't mind though.
CrushDance
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And go look at me complain in the AC thread about why people are focusing so much on Jade and not the game itself. I stopped because the thread was getting derailed.BamYouHaveAids said:
I agree with the sentiment that she's putting herself to far out right now. But that's still no reason to attack her or in every thread "She's so pretty"
THE GAME?
Goldrusher
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Not that I'm approving this, but pretty much every attractive famous person has that kind of stuff on the internet.
Jade is attractive...and among gamers...famous.
So yeah...chances are high that people start fantasizing and make dirty Photoshops or comics.
Jade is attractive...and among gamers...famous.
So yeah...chances are high that people start fantasizing and make dirty Photoshops or comics.
Stoney Mason
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thefro said:
I thought this was settled with this anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine_v._Falwell
And how is this fundamentally that different than what the onion does other than the fact that you may find one more humorous than the other?
Lost Fragment
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Was embedded directly into the post initially.
Mr. Mister
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MrNyarlathotep said:
I guess its probably down to your interpretation of the intent of the comic,
I personaly read this as relating to the underlying assumption that Jade is pushed forward as a spokes person & face of the development team of AC because she is easy on the eye and thus gains press and interest both for the game. (poking fun at the marketing & press love for Jade)
There are a number of press interviews, photos and videos touted to contain Jade as a selling point.
My interpretation of this comic and the joke is that on some level Jade was media 'whored' out as a spokes person because of here appeal to the male audience (& press on some level).
Again this may not be the case (tho personal I believe it maybe on some level) and thus its shit an attractive female producer will have a hard time if these suspicions hang always over there career.
Could it be looked as a personal attack on Jade yes, do I believe it is no.
Metalmurphy
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Now everyone knows about the Comic. Great job Ubi! :lol
grandjedi6
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CrushDance said:
Ubisoft will probably lose if they try to bring this to court then. They would have to sue under the Defamation tort, specifically libel.
But to prove defamation you need to prove 5 things:
1.) the information was published
2.) the defendant was directly or indirectly identified
3.) the remarks were defamatory towards the plaintiff's reputation
4.) the published information is false
5.) the defendant is at fault
However since this is an internet forum it would be difficult in the first place to fault SA as the publisher or even force the user's identity out of SA. As per Stratton Oakmont v Prodigy that no provider or user of an interactive computer shall be treated as a publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider, Thus forums can't be faulted for third party posts.
Also as per Hustler Magazine v. Falwell, statements that are considered so ridiculous that it would be believed by nobody are not enough to prove libel.
TheJollyCorner
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duderon said:
so this must be the new asshole 'meme' of the day? Congratulations, champ. You're a fine example of manhood.
SolidSnakex
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Burai said:
It's not like it's exactly uncommon for producers to do most of the interviews for games. ZOE was long known as Kojima's game because he did most of the interviews even though Okamura was the driving force behind it, same for ZOE2 where again Kojima was the producer and did most of the interviews while Murata served as the director. Not that i'm saying that what you said isn't what UBI did, but the producer being put out there like that happens a lot.
Mr. Mister
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you people need to sac up. everything must offend you.
Gary Whitta
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If that were the case, why didn't the artist target the marketing people responsible for this? There's no mention of UbiSoft or any marketing/PR suits, it's targeted directly at JR. And it goes beyond just suggesting she's complicit in her image being used for marketing whoredom, it suggests (without any basis I'm aware of) that she's a dumb bimbo who only got where she is because she's easy on the eyes.Gowans007 said:
There's probably a 100 really funny and well-observed parody comics you could make about the way JR has been used to pimp Assassin's Creed. This particular comic is not one of them.
Ubisoft shouldn't have done anything at all.
This is the internet, FFS.
just here at neogaf we have pictures and gifs of every major videoogame business (wo)man performing degrading activities.
Far more important people like Miyamoto and their likes have been going through this shit constantly, why must ubisoft take action to protect Princess Jade?
silly.
This is the internet, FFS.
just here at neogaf we have pictures and gifs of every major videoogame business (wo)man performing degrading activities.
Far more important people like Miyamoto and their likes have been going through this shit constantly, why must ubisoft take action to protect Princess Jade?
silly.
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