Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Listening to the 5 part Charles Hall video.
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Diseased Yak
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Is that this one here? It's long, so I thought maybe it was the 5 parts you mention put together. I'm listening to the one that I linked now, interesting stuff.
Love this thread! Dunno if I really believe yet or not, but I find it all endlessly fascinating. Sub'd.
Well yeah, how could someone report an alien abduction if they don't return?
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
No, although he probably says the same thing.
The one I'm listening to is here that the poster Chris earlier in this thread provided. The audio is bad.
I'm listening to part 4 right now. Not really too convinced with this guy. One thing so far stands out and it's the idea the Tall Whites are here for technological exchange. The host then asks why would a very highly advanced race want our technology and Hall responds by saying clothes, food, energy, parts and the like. Sorry, but I don't buy that. A race that advanced would have more than enough resources to produce those things 1000 times over. These beings have apparently been visiting Earth since 900 BC or before and they come here for clothes and food? No way.
I'm still listening but I'm very skeptical of this guy.
Maybe he means they are epicureans who enjoy human culture and innovation?
TheJollyCorner
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I've purchased all of his Missing 411 books.
Absolutely fascinating. In fact, I was a bit obsessed with it for a few months.
I was going to make a GAF thread specifically on it, but I was convinced I would be mocked back to the Gaming side.
Regardless, many of the cases he talks about are incredibly bizarre. Inter-dimensional beings, wormholes, Bigfeet, or just cavern dwelling 'mountain' folk... whatever is seemingly snatching these people in US national parks is eerie as all hell to me.
The Dennis Martin case and the Bart Schleyer case, just to name two, are really creepy. Within the three books, these types of cases just go on and on.
Eternal Gamer
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The other day I was thinking about why if there is intelligent life out there, then why they have not done any contact.
I thought what about if our planet or even solar system is not at all important, I make the comparison with a tiny island in the Pacific, and other civilizations are like big countries, nobody has planes for colonies, conquering or trading, since is just a little island with little value in a lonely solar system with little importance. Of course for the people in the island, that little place is the most important in the Universe because is their home, but for the rest of countries is just too little to have some interest.
I thought what about if our planet or even solar system is not at all important, I make the comparison with a tiny island in the Pacific, and other civilizations are like big countries, nobody has planes for colonies, conquering or trading, since is just a little island with little value in a lonely solar system with little importance. Of course for the people in the island, that little place is the most important in the Universe because is their home, but for the rest of countries is just too little to have some interest.
Gettysburger
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It's freaky to read and listen to these high-ranking government and NASA people speaking in such great detail about super-specific aspects of alien craft. Listening to Bob Lazar is particularly disturbing. This thread is addicting!
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Yes, I know those feels. I used to believe a lot more when I was a kid and in my teen years. I'm a lot more skeptical and cynical. I take everything I hear with much doubt but I still keep an open mind. I tend to try and be careful who I listen to and at this point, it's only a small smattering of people like George Knapp, Stanton Friedman, David Paulides and a few others. You really have to make sure you have to weed out the kooks, attention getters and cash grabbers with the more legitimate, serious minded people. I find it goes one way or the other at least how I look at it. There's no Walter Bishops, no crazy-men-with-the-truth from what I can see.
Do a search for Coast to Coast AM and David Paulides on YouTube. You should find a couple full shows with interviews. Best to listen to the one's hosted by George Knapp.
I only read the stuff in this article old as hell http://raven-talesoftheweird.blogspot.mx/2012/09/missing-persons.html
But sounds scary anyway.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
He talks about this case in one of the interviews. The part about that story that baffles me the most if the green berets showing up.
Swaying off from Paulides for a bit, anyone ever hear of the Skinwalker Ranch? Shit, don't get me started on that.... It's one of my favorite really bizarre.... whatever you want to call it. I read the book a few years ago and listened to many different interviews. That whole investigation is some seriously crazy stuff. I don't even know if that's something I'd want to get too much into in this thread because that goes way the hell out. lol.
Regardless, it is an amazing story and one I wish could be further investigated.
Our planet has intelligent life; why haven't we done any contact?
There's a big chance there is no intelligent life capable of interstellar communication/travel or, if there is such life, the universe is so vast that we just haven't found each other.
Sutton Dagger
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I said until there is evidence, personal testimony is not going to cut it. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, in the case of UFO's being extraterrestrials we don't even have ordinary evidence.
biggyfries
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Looks like Amazon only has the Missing 411 series available via 3rd party.
Anyone order the books from his site?
Anyone order the books from his site?
We do have ordinary evidence. 1000s of first hand accounts and 1000s more of photographic evidence as well as video.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
What we need is physical evidence and trust me, it's frustrating. Word of mouth and photographs only go so far and since Roswell, we've had nothing in the way of good, solid physical evidence. I understand why non-believers can be so set on the idea that it doesn't exist.
On that, we can only hope for something to be revealed that will offer evidence good enough to at least show something of either a non-terrestrial or unknown technology really does exist, assuming again if it does it all. Skeptic as I may be, I still believe something is going on that we, as ordinary people, don't know about yet whether it's alien, top secret technologies, paranormal or even some currently undiscovered natural lifeform or phenomenon.
And you don't have to believe what is said, but you still can't apply Occam's Razor to it. I understand you applied Occam's Razor to the subject of David Paulides' books, but you also mention the 4 extraterrestrial species which had 0 to do with what Paulides' books are about.
I'm not familiar enough with Paulides' work to really defend it.
Hell, even some good video evidence would be nice. Recording devices are so common these days yet nobody can capture anything remotely convincing.
Eye witness testimony is practically worthless. Even if the person isn't lying, our sensory, perceptive, and memory systems are so faulty that they just can't be trusted without something more tangible. Read about Loftus' studies into eye witnesses and false memories.
I'm fully aware of the validity of eye witness accounts, but it doesn't really apply in the case of Dr. Charles Hall. Hall claims to have been in the presence of ETs several times over a period of 2 1/2 years so it's not really a case of did I see what I think I saw.
I can tell you from my own experience that when I saw the ball of light outside my window I cannot give an accurate distance from my window it was, just that it was about 40 - 50 feet away based on what I remember now. I also don't remember getting out of bed to use the bathroom the second time I witnessed the ball of light outside, but I do remember leaving the bathroom, checking my parents clock as i went by their room, and seeing the light as i climbed back into bed.
ultimately, it's up to you whether or not you believe what people are saying. Regardless if what they are saying is true, I find peoples stories about this stuff fascinating.
I can say that even if I had an iphone in my hand when I witnessed the UFO, I would not have it out in time to catch it on camera.
For the others that read this thread, I am interested in other Gaffers experiences with UFOs.
Liabe Brave
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Yes, it is, but at least from the link provided how is this in any way paranormal? A 6-year-old boy goes missing in a park during a game of hide-and-seek. Some time later, a few miles away, a stranger hears a scream and sees a person carrying a small bundle over his shoulder.
This is awful. But it doesn't require aliens or ghosts or sasquatches.
Sutton Dagger
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Do you know what Occam's razor is and how it's applied, because it can and should be applied to this case? You actually think that it's more plausible that this guy has been in the presence of 'ET's' than that he is simply lying? If we used your 'logic' we would be believing in the most fanciful things imaginable, as there have been countless 'first hand witnesses' for bigfoot/ghosts/aliens/god/leprechauns etc.
Again, provide some evidence. Where are these thousands of photos/videos that indicate that UFO's are extraterrestrials as the poster above claims?
Diseased Yak
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I've purchased all of his Missing 411 books.
Absolutely fascinating. In fact, I was a bit obsessed with it for a few months.
I was going to make a GAF thread specifically on it, but I was convinced I would be mocked back to the Gaming side.
Regardless, many of the cases he talks about are incredibly bizarre. Inter-dimensional beings, wormholes, Bigfeet, or just cavern dwelling 'mountain' folk... whatever is seemingly snatching these people in US national parks is eerie as all hell to me.
The Dennis Martin case and the Bart Schleyer case, just to name two, are really creepy. Within the three books, these types of cases just go on and on.
These sound awesome, it's highly unfortunate that they aren't available in Kindle format, or even available on Amazon at all. I found where to order them, though, and I'm gonna get the first one and see what it's like.
TheJollyCorner
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Highly recommended. There are a ton of creepy cases in the book and Paulides does an excellent job with not injecting too much of his own opinion into each case. He basically lets the details surrounding the cases speak for themselves.
I spent a lot of time hiking the Appalachians when I was in college, so reading about cases within that mountain range really chilled me to the bone. No lie; there were plenty of times I felt like I was being watched... and that's not a normal occurrence for me.
Sorry UFO folks... I'll try not to derail this thread any more.
Diseased Yak (and Darkmakaimura & anyone else interested), there is an older thread of bizarre events/situations. I would recommend giving a review on Paulides' book once you read it. Plenty of discussion can be had on it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371125
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
They're available on the U.S. store it seems, but not for the Kindle.
I remember that thread. I'll give that a peek.Highly recommended. There are a ton of creepy cases in the book and Paulides does an excellent job with not injecting too much of his own opinion into each case. He basically lets the details surrounding the cases speak for themselves.
I spent a lot of time hiking the Appalachians when I was in college, so reading about cases within that mountain range really chilled me to the bone. No lie; there were plenty of times I felt like I was being watched... and that's not a normal occurrence for me.
Sorry UFO folks... I'll try not to derail this thread any more.
Diseased Yak (and Darkmakaimura & anyone else interested), there is an older thread of bizarre events/situations. I would recommend giving a review on Paulides' book once you read it. Plenty of discussion can be had on it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371125
TheJollyCorner
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Go directly to Paulides' page:
http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/catalog/item/6180213/9296880.htm
They ship quickly and efficiently (speaking from someone in the States).
He also has a book on the Western US and a book with extra cases including overseas.
As I mentioned before, I've ordered all three books at various times and never had a single problem with my orders.
Diseased Yak
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I just ordered the first one from his site, and I'm listening to his most recent interview on Coast to Coast. Fascinating stuff. And I'll definitely check out the other thread! I remember reading some of it before.
Anyone have any information/results/confirmations/personal opinions.....etc...to say the least....on Gulf Breeze and Ed Walter's?
Read the book many years ago and even wrote to Ed. I have seen the report on the model that was supposedly found in his home after it was sold. I have read all the debunking of his camera and photos too.
This is one sighting I always hoped was true.
While I am at it, any thoughts on Whitley Strieber and "Communion"? I picked it up at a local library many years ago not knowing whom he was. Never read the jacket cover or noticed his other credits of writing. So I did not know for some time he was a professional writer....and thus where I started to hear him be discredited.
Read the book many years ago and even wrote to Ed. I have seen the report on the model that was supposedly found in his home after it was sold. I have read all the debunking of his camera and photos too.
This is one sighting I always hoped was true.
While I am at it, any thoughts on Whitley Strieber and "Communion"? I picked it up at a local library many years ago not knowing whom he was. Never read the jacket cover or noticed his other credits of writing. So I did not know for some time he was a professional writer....and thus where I started to hear him be discredited.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
The early 90's called. They want their web page design back.
TheJollyCorner
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hahaha yeah. Thought the same thing.
Too bad it's not hosted by Angelfire or something for the ultimate 'old school' throwback!
User Name Here
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Highly recommended. There are a ton of creepy cases in the book and Paulides does an excellent job with not injecting too much of his own opinion into each case. He basically lets the details surrounding the cases speak for themselves.
I spent a lot of time hiking the Appalachians when I was in college, so reading about cases within that mountain range really chilled me to the bone. No lie; there were plenty of times I felt like I was being watched... and that's not a normal occurrence for me.
Sorry UFO folks... I'll try not to derail this thread any more.
Diseased Yak (and Darkmakaimura & anyone else interested), there is an older thread of bizarre events/situations. I would recommend giving a review on Paulides' book once you read it. Plenty of discussion can be had on it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371125
I believe the stuff Paulides is talking about. The reason why is because some of the events I thought of relate to most of what he was talking about.
Even you guys wouldn't believe this, but there were events they made me aware of, that occurred recently. One of which I feel like I could have help prevent, if I knew who the person(s) involved was/were exactly.
Anyway, I'll definitely check out that thread.
Quick edit: You guys should check out this video if you haven't already.
http://youtu.be/KliBRinZHJA
Meus Renaissance
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I was browsing a UFO forum and saw another Roswell topic. I think I rolled my eyes so deeply they almost fell back.
Care to explain? Do you think that topic has been discussed to death?
Edit: Also, where do you stand in the topic of UFO's? Do you lean towards them being extraterrestrial or high tech government planes or both (meaning one brought up the other)?
Meus Renaissance
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It's like reading a movie thread on GAF and coming across the name Nolan.
The pointless obsession people have with it drains me. We don't know anything new about Roswell since it emerged (or re-emerged, so to speak) in the 80s. You can have a 10 page thread on a minute detail that is hardly interesting and often conflicts with the countless other tibits of info that has been gathered ever since.
The sad thing is there are far more interesting (and fantastic) stories of recovered discs that are given less attention.
It is very difficult for me to comprehend the UFO encounters I've read about were military in nature. I've actually written in response to claims they are here. The alternative I am left with (extraterrestrial) seems the likeliest.
A must watch conversation with Dan Aykroyd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgidSJUYQ2U
If anyone knows any similar intelligent conversation about the ufo's please share it with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgidSJUYQ2U
If anyone knows any similar intelligent conversation about the ufo's please share it with me.
Thanks for the reply. Hope I didn't come off as snarky or anything. I'm a big fan of your threads/findings.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Look up anything by Stanton Friedman. He's a ufologist and worked as a nuclear physicist and as such was employed with very prominent companies such as General Motors and the like. This guy is really bright, not a nutjob and has serious credentials.
Edit: Stanton T. Friedman on Wikipedia.
I actually think Charles Hall lying is the only plausible solution, all other possibilities are pretty extraordinary. In many cases, in which there is no evidence, the only plausible answer is that the person is lying, right? To apply 'OR' to his testimony or any other like his you more often than not come to that solution.
Do you believe that when it comes to people experiencing ETs versus witnessing UFOs that people are lying or have been manipulated to believe they were visited by ETs? In the cases of people witnessing UFOs that defy what we know as possible, do you think that it is just untrue or would you rather go with the argument that there is no way to determine that the pilots are extraterrestrial?
I dont ever use eye witness testimony as evidence, and I wouldn't. I do enjoy reading people's stories even though they may be complete bullshit. Without evidence there is no way to prove what has been experienced and I have no problem with people being skeptical about this. I'm not sure how much I would believe had I not had an experience of my own.I would say that I give more credence to the testimony of people who have more to lose by coming out about their experiences, I think it's because they are supposed to be authority figures.
Diseased Yak
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Can anyone recommend books that center on UFOs? In particular, speculation on us reverse engineering alien tech. I love speculation on stuff like that.
sonikokaruto
Banned
Well, there are a bunch of books on Spanish, but they're most likely crap.
User Name Here
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I posted this in two other threads, but figured I mention it here since the whole situation was one of the recent events "they" had me think of.
The plane crashing and the joke made about the pilots' names were part of the event.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/asiana-pilots-appeared/742020.html
Hmmm, where have we heard this before? ;-p
This is an email and response I sent to NARCAP about the incident:
Unfortunately, I didn't email them when I had the thought originally. If I did, this would have been better proof that, at the very least, something out of the ordinary is occurring.
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Also, I forgot to mention one of the events that I either requested or "they" made me aware of a while back. I sent this response to Leslie Kean as I was telling her my story and about a few of the events.
There are actually many, many, many more. My current count is about 200 - 270+ incidents (over nine months), with most of these being minor things that you would just pass off as a coincidence, had you not thought of each and every one before they happened.
This is part of what I sent to Mrs. Kean on the 15th of March, 2013:
I meant to say large asteroid (really meteor), since the Moon gets hit with meteors all the time.
Then two months later...
http://youtu.be/IYloGuUZCFM
Proof I mentioned this two months before the large explosion:
http://postimg.org/image/y0o5gr4sn/
Naturally you guys would think this isn't saying much since the Moon gets hit all the time, but notice this was the largest explosion they've ever recorded to date, and I forgot to say it was a large asteroid (meteor) in my original message to Mrs. Kean.
*Queue X-files theme*
By the way, "they" seem to be able to suggest thoughts to people anywhere at anytime, and believe it or not: they did it to people right here in this forum and even in this topic.
TL;DR: Knew about the plane crash and bad joke; knew about a large meteor blast on the moon; get outta my head plz.
The plane crashing and the joke made about the pilots' names were part of the event.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/asiana-pilots-appeared/742020.html
Hmmm, where have we heard this before? ;-p
This is an email and response I sent to NARCAP about the incident:
Unfortunately, I didn't email them when I had the thought originally. If I did, this would have been better proof that, at the very least, something out of the ordinary is occurring.
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Also, I forgot to mention one of the events that I either requested or "they" made me aware of a while back. I sent this response to Leslie Kean as I was telling her my story and about a few of the events.
There are actually many, many, many more. My current count is about 200 - 270+ incidents (over nine months), with most of these being minor things that you would just pass off as a coincidence, had you not thought of each and every one before they happened.
This is part of what I sent to Mrs. Kean on the 15th of March, 2013:
I meant to say large asteroid (really meteor), since the Moon gets hit with meteors all the time.
Then two months later...
http://youtu.be/IYloGuUZCFM
Proof I mentioned this two months before the large explosion:
http://postimg.org/image/y0o5gr4sn/
Naturally you guys would think this isn't saying much since the Moon gets hit all the time, but notice this was the largest explosion they've ever recorded to date, and I forgot to say it was a large asteroid (meteor) in my original message to Mrs. Kean.
*Queue X-files theme*
By the way, "they" seem to be able to suggest thoughts to people anywhere at anytime, and believe it or not: they did it to people right here in this forum and even in this topic.
*cough* TheJollyCorner *cough* How does your head feel? lol
Set scary crazy shit to max.
Boo!
TL;DR: Knew about the plane crash and bad joke; knew about a large meteor blast on the moon; get outta my head plz.
You haven't had any thoughts or images of anything cool? Alien worlds, Funky Space gadgets, Alien entertainment, Voldemort? Show us something neat.
User Name Here
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I still don't know 100% for sure if this has to do with Aliens or not since I didn't actually see an Alien -- just a craft or some kind of object. But assuming this is related to Aliens, they mainly have me think of events that relate to what is going on here on earth. Although, they did let me know of a black hole that formed a while ago. And they may have just guided or are guiding our astronomers to their solar system. *wink* *wink* lol
Also, they don't actually speak to me like you would speak to a person. They kind of send information to me in the form of ideas. Like I would be doing one thing and just randomly think of an event that has nothing to do with what I was doing at the time -- that happens to occur at a later date.
By the way, you guys should check this out:
http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13836/france-chile-aim-for-trans-atlantic-bridge/
Edit: These are related to four events I thought of...
http://youtu.be/spZUIISlaRI - from security camera (kind of strange even for these strange events)
http://youtu.be/edA5i8snwLk - captured at gas plant in Texas
http://youtu.be/sEuDKzP_MKI - talks about NASA footage of "The Black Knight" UFO
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ISD/highres/STS088/STS088-724-66_3.JPG
http://youtu.be/qn34tNf3LzU - this is one of the bad events where a cop was killed
Meus Renaissance
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This is an interesting OP from another forum into illustrating with CGI renderings what Ezekiel may have seen when he described what sounds like a landing object
Interesting read. Thanks for posting!
User Name Here
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I always thought his story sounded like a sighting. So this is very interesting.
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