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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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freethought
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APZonerunner said:
Fuck me, I totally forgot about Time Trumpet. Brilliant show.
Keyser Soze
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Would be hilarious if he used the back door to leave
Keyser Soze
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They've killed her
Keyser Soze
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For fuck sake media, get back from the woman's door.
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freethought said:
Yeah, massively underrated show.
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Ashes1396 said:
No doubt, Clegg, Cameron, all of em. But in their defense - how could it possibly be an actual pleasure to talk to these morons all day? In polite society you don't tell people that they suck to their face, it just doesn't work that way, save it for in the car! But as we've learned, before you do that, check that you're not hooked up to a news station before you sound off.
Do you think that votes lost by this could go to the UKIP or the BNP? If you think about it, people who will be bothered by this are old, white, north-western, die-hard labour voters, who whilst traditionally voting for a socialist party, hold right-wing immigration and social views.
I don't see this as a big gain for the Lib Dems, or even the Tories, but probably one for the far-right parties. Suckage.
I don't see this as a big gain for the Lib Dems, or even the Tories, but probably one for the far-right parties. Suckage.
Ashes1396 said:
What? I was making a joke.
It's much more likely that he was telling the truth in his private conversation, and he's lying in his apology.
Or do you really believe he doesn't think she is a bigoted old woman, but mistakenly called her that once he was in the limo?
This gaffe is pretty serious and insults Labour's entire core vote. She wasn't a bigot, she raised a valid question about immigration from Eastern Europe.
The comment itself, coming a few seconds after saying it was lovely to meet her and she had a nice family, and the immediate response on the radio, practically blaming the media for repeating the comments, demonstrates Brown's character perfectly.
He is simply unfit to be Prime Minister.
How is "You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying.. well all these Eastern Europeans, where are they coming from?" a perfectly valid question? :lol You know exactly the sentiment she is trying to express there, and it's what can only be described as bigoted. Gordon played it off well with the quick comment about the same amount of British people leaving for Europe and the amount of new jobs and market the EU provides.jas0nuk said:
If anything I wish Gordon would've stuck to his guns and just said to Jeremy Vine "well, she is". But of course you can't insult the "ordinary voter", no matter how racist etc their views may be.
Dambrosi: Who gives a f**k about fox hunting? It's probably the least important issue of the election, which only class warriors like to go on about.
Immigration is a huge issue for a lot of people who have seen their local community change rapidly in a few short years, with local services like housing, schools and hospitals placed under unbearable pressure. For raising issues about this, someone is automatically a bigot?
Immigration is a huge issue for a lot of people who have seen their local community change rapidly in a few short years, with local services like housing, schools and hospitals placed under unbearable pressure. For raising issues about this, someone is automatically a bigot?
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jas0nuk said:
B-b-but...THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!
Brown shouldn't have said it, but she is bigoted, Eastern Europeans wouldn't come here if there wern't jobs, there wouldn't be jobs if Brits would get off their arse and do them. There ya see! I simplified an argument down to an incedibly bigoted and quite stupid level, that's the election for ya.
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jas0nuk said:
And I thought you were the sane Tory in this thread.
Wes said:
Is that Colin in the background?
Change rapidly? What, don't like hearing non-British accents around you?jas0nuk said:
Eastern Europeans have almost a full employment rate. It's certain British people putting the pressure on your schools and housing, you know, the type of people who like to complain about it being everyone else's fault?
Good article about a hung parliament by Alex Massie in the Spectator
http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/5946149/whos-afraid-of-a-hung-parliament.thtml
By the way, i care about fox hunting. It's the sort of nasty policy that really rubs home why i don't support the tories, their values are so totally different to mine. They believe that the cruel torture of animals turned into sport should be encouraged, cuz it's tradition and shit, i think it is a horrible and contemptible activity that should have been ages ago, and i don't think opposing it makes me some kind of class warrior.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/5946149/whos-afraid-of-a-hung-parliament.thtml
By the way, i care about fox hunting. It's the sort of nasty policy that really rubs home why i don't support the tories, their values are so totally different to mine. They believe that the cruel torture of animals turned into sport should be encouraged, cuz it's tradition and shit, i think it is a horrible and contemptible activity that should have been ages ago, and i don't think opposing it makes me some kind of class warrior.
I never said anything about "dey terk er jerbs" or not liking to hear non-British accents around me. A lot of the people who have come to this country are doing the jobs that the lazy unemployed dole-for-life bastards don't want to do.
However, at the same time I can't believe people are trying to spin this the other way and saying his comments were justified. :lol Brown has just insulted 10-15% of Labour's heartland vote who have their own concerns about immigration. Their suspicion that Labour doesn't really care about those concerns are were justified by today's comments. He screwed up - badly.
However, at the same time I can't believe people are trying to spin this the other way and saying his comments were justified. :lol Brown has just insulted 10-15% of Labour's heartland vote who have their own concerns about immigration. Their suspicion that Labour doesn't really care about those concerns are were justified by today's comments. He screwed up - badly.
jas0nuk said:
People who are pointing to the wrong cause, and scapegoating immigration though. Now that's largely because Labour doesn't bother setting them straight, as they'd prefer to falsely appear "tough on immigration", and because dealing with the real issues that effect the working classes; such as housing shortages due to lack of investment, the lack of social mobility, massive income inequality, the problems in the education system and miserable cycles of unemployment and welfare dependency leading to crime and alcohol problems, is really tough and involves admitting large failures. They could point out that immigration overall contributes significantly to boosting our GDP that in fact helps fund the public services which are under pressure thanks to the recession, that it fills crucual labor shortages, that it keeps the population young which actually reduces strain on public services and increases the number of talented workers who can innovate, but they don't bother, and nor do the media; so instead people see the changing ethnic makeup in their area and correlate it with the problems in their lives, thanks to a point in the wrong direction by the tabloids, to find a cause that they can blame for the many issues. That's not to say that immigration is all rosey, at all, obviously not, there are problems with integration, social-cohesion, difficult sub-communities, the influence of dangerous islamic preachers, but the topic is distorted to suggest that immigration isn't overwhelmingly positive for this country, when it is, and the only winners are people like the BNP who can run on the fact that the major parties are so dishonest about it and refuse to correct the agenda.
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