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[fizzelopeguss]

typical BBC, turning it around from browns fuck up and trying to make the woman look like the scum of the earth.


And where the fuck did daves tag come from? :lol

 

[Dark Machine]

I never said anything about "dey terk er jerbs" or not liking to hear non-British accents around me. A lot of the people who have come to this country are doing the jobs that the lazy unemployed dole-for-life bastards don't want to do.

However, at the same time I can't believe people are trying to spin this the other way and saying his comments were justified. :lol Brown has just insulted 10-15% of Labour's heartland vote who have their own concerns about immigration. Their suspicion that Labour doesn't really care about those concerns are were justified by today's comments. He screwed up - badly.

Just to be clear mate. I wasn't saying that what Brown said was right or justifying him saying it, I just said that privately I agree with them, and childishly equated her question about "where are all these Eastern Euros flocking from?" with the "they took er Jerbs!" something which (if I read it right) Empty just did in an intelligent, measured and non-childish manner. I was not accusing you of the "they took er jerbs" attitude. I was parodying her comments a little because I felt they deserved mockery for the reasons Empty stated.

 

[Omikaru]

I never said anything about "dey terk er jerbs" or not liking to hear non-British accents around me. A lot of the people who have come to this country are doing the jobs that the lazy unemployed dole-for-life bastards don't want to do.

However, at the same time I can't believe people are trying to spin this the other way and saying his comments were justified. :lol Brown has just insulted 10-15% of Labour's heartland vote who have their own concerns about immigration. Their suspicion that Labour doesn't really care about those concerns are were justified by today's comments. He screwed up - badly.

I think you're overstating the significance of this.

I doubt the gaffe will even have an impact on the polls. This is just the media gobbling up every morsel of the first (and probably last) major gaffe of the election that they can get.

I, by no means, would defend Gordon Brown on the things he's done, but this is just silly. Sure, he fucked up, big deal; Labour's vote has all but collapsed anyway, and the people left voting for Labour are tribal supporters.

The only thing he has to fear now is the core labour vote just not turning out. Now that would be a disaster.

 

[freethought]

I never said anything about "dey terk er jerbs" or not liking to hear non-British accents around me. A lot of the people who have come to this country are doing the jobs that the lazy unemployed dole-for-life bastards don't want to do.

However, at the same time I can't believe people are trying to spin this the other way and saying his comments were justified. :lol Brown has just insulted 10-15% of Labour's heartland vote who have their own concerns about immigration. Their suspicion that Labour doesn't really care about those concerns are were justified by today's comments. He screwed up - badly.

Who's doing that?

edit: Apart from Labour obviously.

 

[JonathanEx]

I feel sorry for Gordon. I've also had to go through over the top reactions and outrage at private comments and apologise for them. It's great fun when the powers that be (in this case the media) try and make you the 'scapegoat' and paint you as evil to have a bad guy in the situation.

 

[Zenith]

typical BBC, turning it around from browns fuck up and trying to make the woman look like the scum of the earth.

mm?

People often talk about political gaffes in terms of car crashes. But this is no car crash, this is a multi-lane, multi-vehicle pile-up of enormous proportion.

Worse than John Major's unguarded comments about three members of his own cabinet being caught on mic, worse than George W Bush also being caught on mic describing a journalist in an unfavourable light.

And possibly even worse than John Prescott's instinctive reaction in thumping a protestor during the 2001 election campaign after he'd been hit by an egg.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8649578.stm

 

[phisheep]

By the way, i care about fox hunting. It's the sort of nasty policy that really rubs home why i don't support the tories, their values are so totally different to mine. They believe that the cruel torture of animals turned into sport should be encouraged, cuz it's tradition and shit, i think it is a horrible and contemptible activity that should have been ages ago, and i don't think opposing it makes me some kind of class warrior.

There's a world of difference between (a) believing that animal torture should be encouraged - which I don't understand to be Tory policy, and (b) believing that the Government should not as a matter of course rush around banning stuff because some people disagree with it - which I think is their policy.

 

[pulsemyne]

Most people liked prescott for punching that cock

 

[Mr. Sam]

There's a world of difference between (a) believing that animal torture should be encouraged - which I don't understand to be Tory policy,

Agreed, and...

and (b) believing that the Government should not as a matter of course rush around banning stuff because some people disagree with it - which I think is their policy.

Disagreed, within the same post.

I think the practice of fox hunting is disgusting, should be banned and was banned for more than popular pressure - not that that would have necessarily been a bad thing. I also don't think the Tories are entirely for unbanning it because of the ol' tradition argument - which is almost without exception bullshit - but because of practicalities to do with actually enforcing the law. Basically, the police have better things to do.

 

[Empty]

There's a world of difference between (a) believing that animal torture should be encouraged - which I don't understand to be Tory policy, and (b) believing that the Government should not as a matter of course rush around banning stuff because some people disagree with it - which I think is their policy.

By legalizing Fox Hunting you allow it once again to become a major part of country culture again, where it spreads from parents to children, family to family, as it is considered an acceptable pastime, and are therefore encouraging it's spread. You are right though, that was poorly worded and wrong; they don't believe it should be encouraged, they believe it should be permitted and in allowing it to be encouraged, which i have similar concerns with, but it isn't the same. As for the other point, i don't think you can frame it in the same terms as you do other civil liberties, it's more similar to the currently outlawed cock-fighting than something like cigarettes or violent games.

 

[Walshicus]

"I'm sick of you people, you're just a bunch of fickle mush heads."
"He's right!"
"Give us hell Quimby!"

 

[Wes]

10 o'clock news is hilarious :lol

 

[Mr. Sam]

10 o'clock news is hilarious :lol

Which you watching? Need I even ask?

 

[CozMick]

Gordon Brown for President!

That conversation alone is getting him my vote.

Had me in stitches, "Bigoted woman" :lol

 

[brain_stew]

If this is what swings us to a conservative majority, then I'm going to be seriously pissed with Gordon Brown. Hopefully all that support swings to the Lib Dems and not the Tories.

 

[Igo]

I'm watching the news now and this is the greatest thing ever. It's a good thing I didn't catch this earlier because I wouldn't have gotten anything done today. So brilliant.

The woman looked so hurt when she learned what he said. :lol

I wonder how long Sue still has a job.

 

[defel]

Gillian Duffy represented by Max Clifford lol

 

[Wes]

Which you watching? Need I even ask?

Both are beating him up

 

[Mr. Sam]

Nick Robinson is gold. I wanna kiss him.

 

[Wes]

Newsnight is going to be a classic tonight.

 

[Mama Robotnik]

And we're offf....

Christ all mighty, even The Star are covering it:

 

[Chinner]

Independent has the best head liner :lol

 

[avaya]

He should have just said yeah she was a fucking bigot because she WAS a fucking bigot. His pussying about is shameful.

 

[Dark Machine]

You know what? At this moment today, I feel utterly and genuinely sorry for Dr. Gordon Brown. He might be grumpy, he might be the 'clunking fist', he might've not fixed the roof when the sun was shining, and he might not be going for the electoral reform I want, but one person to another I feel sympathy with him.

Global Financial Crisis? Not his fault. Blamed for it. He actually DID come up with the model plan to get out of recession, which every other country followed.
Call a snap election? Media created it, caught him out, decided to carry on, fair enough I'd say, he'd not done anything wrong at that point.
Old Lady? Bigoted idiot, like much of the electorate when it comes to immigration. Problems yes, overthrowing us all, nonsense. This thread has already given evidence of the truth, that it has more benefits than negatives.
Grumpy? Well to be honest, being Prime Minister is SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Backstabbing? Blairites revenge, media blowing it up massively.

Honestly, you'd think he'd nuked an orphanage with the way the media (and us to be honest) treat him. He's not Blair, he didn't declare war on Iraq, yes he was chancellor, but Blair was the one doing the Richard the Lionheart impression with GWB.

Has Brown made mistakes, has he got policies I don't agree with? Absolutely. But he's not a monster, and despite what people tell you he's not incompetent. I'm voting Lib Dem, but I'm getting sick of the media and others making him into this monsterous demonic idiot. The man deserves more respect than that. And Nick Clegg got a taste of that last week and a bit of this.

Also, Sky News...MURDOCH! *shakes fist*

 

[gutter_trash]

sucks for him to get caught with a Live Mic,
if Live Mics were always on every politician,, there would be constant riots

sucks for him

 

[Wes]

Need to really see the Sun's headline ASAP. Probably not released yet?

 

[Empty]

as expected the real long-term damage comes from the way this story is being used to attack immigration policy by the right wing press. the story turns from: "after carefully planned election campaigning, a tired and distressed man vents in back of car, is caught on microphone and then tries to appease the press to make up for the pr gaffe" --> elitist and out of touch politicians use race card again to suppress any debate on the evils of mass immigration. thus moving the debate even further right and playing right into the hands of the BNP. aaaaargggghhh.

 

[Lucius86]

Independent has the best head liner :lol

Agreed, made me laugh :lol

 

[Shanadeus]

I swear to god if the Tories somehow benefit from this without the LibDem gaining a single thing...

 

[Mr. Sam]

He should have just said yeah she was a fucking bigot because she WAS a fucking bigot. His pussying about is shameful.

"[Something something] Eastern Europeans - where are they all flocking from?" - That's bigotry?

 

[killer_clank]

Need to really see the Sun's headline ASAP. Probably not released yet?

The rumours of PR companies representing the woman now should signal that a certain newspaper is interested. I wonder what one?

For what it's worth, the woman isn't really a bigot, tbh.

 

[curls]

"[Something something] Eastern Europeans - where are they all flocking from?" - That's bigotry?

Yes, she pulled a generic statement like that from out of her anus.

 

[Empty]

I swear to god if the Tories somehow benefit from this without the LibDem gaining a single thing...

I think the story is mostly going to cause a drop in core Labour turnout, as the people who are insulted by this are the working class tribal labour voters who see immigration as a problem but are being talked down to and mocked behind their backs by Brown, rather than made at ease. The collateral damage of this story is that immigration goes to the top of the agenda, and that's a policy area where the tories do win in terms of public approval, as they can a) sit back an attack labour's record b) point to lower levels of immigration when they were in charge and c) promise to be the toughest of the three on this issue. Whereas the amnesty for illegal immigrants unfortunately doesn't resonate that well and the regional system is hard to understand, so the Lib Dems lose on this topic, and i do see the Tories gaining most from this.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Yes, she pulled a generic statement like that from out of her anus.

Ignorant, sure. However, I wouldn't put her above the average voter and she hardly came over as bigoted - and now the "Gordon doesn't want to discuss immigration" argument is lent yet more validity.

 

[Dark Machine]

The Old Lady isn't a conscious bigot, she simply demonstrates the opinion of a large portion of the British lower-middle/working class public influenced heavily by the tabloid press, that their opinion is actually bigoted and f**king stupid is simply the sad case in this country. Sorry, but I'm just sick of this crap already...I'll never be PM, because I wouldn't wait till I was in the car, it's called being polite to people, I've done it with my grandmother when she's going off on one about dem blacks or whatever...yes granny yes, well maybe it's not quite like that...and later...Jeeze mum did you hear your mum today? She is going more batsh*t by the day.

 

[avaya]

The average voter IS a fucking bigot. Not gonna be politically correct about this fucking bullshit at all.

"too many people" is it fuck.

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Few more.

 

[Dark Machine]

Strategist guy on Newsnight is correct, apart from the Paxman interview, no news outlet has really given Cameron a doing over, no one is seeing how badly right wing the tory MPs are, every time its a story for half an hour, then swept away. No one has asked him hard questions about 'big society' and no one has dug up anything on him going back ten years or whatever either. Brown's been savaged since he refused to bow to media pressure to call a snap election when he became PM, and Clegg since people noticed people actually might vote for him.

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Oh and The Sun will possibly be one of these, if their website is anything to go by:

 

[Empty]

I think this is the best article about the "bigot" remark controversy (please kill everyone who adds the 'gate' suffix to describe this thing) that i've seen so far.

....

The incident perfectly captures a plotline that I've observed time and again, not least as we've been travelling around the country during the campaign: millions of people who are confused, unsettled, and often ragingly angry, faced with a political class that affects to feel their pain, but too often holds them in borderline contempt. What with the rise in support for the BNP – and that great chasm that divides too much of the country from richer corners of the capital – the metropolitan media is part of the same problem. It tends to portray them as latter-day Alf Garnetts, nostalgic for a world long gone, and fired up by the kind of prejudices that have no place in London W1 or W11.

....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/28/bigot-gordon-brown-gillian-duffy

 

[Mr. Sam]

Fucking Tory rap on Newsnight. Ugh.

 

[freethought]

And we're offf....

Christ all mighty, even The Star are covering it:

Few more.

Fuck it, I'm not voting. Fuck the press, fuck the politicians and fuck anyone who thinks we actually live in anything even resembling a functional democracy.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Fuck it, I'm not voting. Fuck the press, fuck the politicians and fuck anyone who thinks we actually live in anything even resembling a functional democracy.

It's a horribly outdated system in desperate need of reform, I agree, but I can't help but feel you're overreacting somewhat.

 

[jamieson87]

2257 The Sun's front page for Thursday is just out and it makes unpleasant reading for the PM. It says: "Gillian only popped out for a loaf. She came back with... BROWN TOAST."


Shite headline IMO.

 

[Empty]

How do we even go about solving the media problems in this country? We seem to spend half the thread talking about the way they are corrupting our society and politics, but does anyone have any ideas on how we'd even remotely go about fixing it. I have ideas about how to fight loads of the problems in this country, but i'm totally at a loss here.

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Certainly an unusual take. Not as direct as I was expecting. Oh and:

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

It's a horribly outdated system in desperate need of reform, I agree, but I can't help but feel you're overreacting somewhat.

He would be right. Every one of the candidates is terrible. I'm not voting for any parties because I disagree with most of what all of them have to say.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

2257 The Sun's front page for Thursday is just out and it makes unpleasant reading for the PM. It says: "Gillian only popped out for a loaf. She came back with... BROWN TOAST."


Shite headline IMO.

Agreed, no idea what they're smoking.

 

[jamieson87]

Certainly an unusual take. Not as direct as I was expecting.

Look at their fucking choice of picture. Him pointing his finger with mouth wide open looking like he's shouting and her scowling.

All the halfwit arseholes who buy this rag will be easily swung by this. It's fucking embarrasing to think that the outcome of our election could hinge on this.

 

[defel]

There isnt a media problem in this country. The UK has one massive advantage over all other countries in the world: The BBC. The BBC is the voice of reason in political commentary but at the same time people who want to read left-wing, right-wing, big-titted girls, etc can do so in the papers.