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jas0nuk said:
This was always the true reasoning for the Treaty of Rome, a united continent that would end 1000 years of war. A truly noble goal and is the primary reason I support the European Union unabashedly. The British public was lied to by Ted Heath in 1974, when you sign up for the EU you tacitly agree to the end-game and it's an inevitable scenario. Interestingly it is always Conservative governments that have inched us closer into the fold, maybe Dave will be no different
Having said that, I trust the Euro will come out of the current engineered situation in a better shape than Sterling.
I just don't subscribe to economic ideologues, to me they are in the same boat as religious fundamentalists. As always the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
Globalisation has already brought many aspects of european society and culture together and its inevitable that as some point in the future Europe will be convergent enough to survive indefinitely with a single currency. If all Euro members had stuck by the rules (60%fiscal deficit isnt it?) then the euro wouldnt be in the situation its in now.
travisbickle
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avaya said:
Have you watched any Adam Curtis documentaries? They're quite interesting..
The Trap being a good one.
How polite of you, Sir Fragula.
Actually we should never have joined the ERM, idiot europhiles in the Conservative party were too keen to remain in it though. People like Michael Portillo advised the chancellor that it was a joke mechanism, and weren't listened to. And yes, the bands weren't wide enough, they had to be changed afterwards (didn't they increase to a huge +/- 15% for ERM II?)
Actually we should never have joined the ERM, idiot europhiles in the Conservative party were too keen to remain in it though. People like Michael Portillo advised the chancellor that it was a joke mechanism, and weren't listened to. And yes, the bands weren't wide enough, they had to be changed afterwards (didn't they increase to a huge +/- 15% for ERM II?)
defel1111 said:
Well part of the Tory strategy in the coalition seems to me to be to use the Lib Dem's to help de-toxify their brand, by putting out a more palatable liberal democrat face to the public on tory cuts and general economic policy. It's harder to go 'same old tories' when a lib dem is advocating their position, and doing it by using more friendly rhetoric than maybe some of the tories have in the past.
blazinglord
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BP has nothing to do with the European Union though.cntrational said:
Anyway, Obama doesn't really seem to be that interested in Europe either. He is more focused on domestic issues (understandably) and the emerging countries.
Why are you against the Euro, jas0nuk?
The bands are that big, yes, but in practice, the Kroon and Litas are pegged very closely to the central rate, and the Krone and Lats deviate by not more than 1 percent.
Hm? Economics is on the border between the Sciences and Humanities, part fact and part interpretation. Some parts are facts, some parts are not.
I meant that he supports the European integration over the special relationship, yeah. >_>
jas0nuk said:
The bands are that big, yes, but in practice, the Kroon and Litas are pegged very closely to the central rate, and the Krone and Lats deviate by not more than 1 percent.
avaya said:
Hm? Economics is on the border between the Sciences and Humanities, part fact and part interpretation. Some parts are facts, some parts are not.
blazinglord said:
I meant that he supports the European integration over the special relationship, yeah. >_>
Diane Abbott has enough votes to run for Labour leader...haha, I welcome this as an anti-Labour man, she is an utterly terrible politician, who constantly talks about how she's different because she's black, but doesn't ever really talk about policies other than some vague rhetoric on immigration, because it's a "close issue to her". Also, she had a go at 2 MPs for sending their kids to private school and then sent her own kid to one too if I remember correctly. 100% unmarketable, even though I would like to see more black politicians in higher up positions, she certainly isn't the one.
iapetus said:
True "part empirical and part interpretation" might've been the better wording.
Clegg's 'slip' over powers vote
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Bin tax scheme put on the scrapheap
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Terrorism law to be reconsidered
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iapetus said:A moot point anyway - 'it's science' doesn't make it true.
It's part applied mathematics, part applied psychology. Either way enough of it depends on "expectations" to make it open to interpretation. You could feel safer describing it as a science prior to the rise of modern banking. That said, I'm glad I got an MSc in it than an MA.
cntrational, is that copied and pasted from an RSS feed, or are you spending a lot of time writing it? xD
I'm against the Euro for a mixture of reasons. Firstly I don't believe it will benefit us. After Black Wednesday we had nearly 2 decades of economic growth, hence some people referring to it as White Wednesday. Being tied to a such a diverse range of economies as there are in Europe I just don't see how it can be a longterm success without full political union, which would mean giving up even more powers to the EU, something I'm totally against. We should keep our parliamentary sovereignty and our ability to set interest rates.
I'm glad to see that Diane Abbott has made it onto the ballot paper. Having seen her on This Week regularly I think she has a likeability and uniqueness that the other 4 candidates do not. Plus she has the benefit of not being associated with the New Labour "regime" having been a fairly critical backbencher.
I'm against the Euro for a mixture of reasons. Firstly I don't believe it will benefit us. After Black Wednesday we had nearly 2 decades of economic growth, hence some people referring to it as White Wednesday. Being tied to a such a diverse range of economies as there are in Europe I just don't see how it can be a longterm success without full political union, which would mean giving up even more powers to the EU, something I'm totally against. We should keep our parliamentary sovereignty and our ability to set interest rates.
I'm glad to see that Diane Abbott has made it onto the ballot paper. Having seen her on This Week regularly I think she has a likeability and uniqueness that the other 4 candidates do not. Plus she has the benefit of not being associated with the New Labour "regime" having been a fairly critical backbencher.
killer_clank
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Telegraph does it again with a pretty nasty article about Gordon Brown:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...own/7811585/Gordon-Brown-where-is-he-now.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...own/7811585/Gordon-Brown-where-is-he-now.html
Well, where is he? He hasn't been seen in the Commons since the election. Major and Thatcher remained as backbenchers until the next election after they ceased to be Prime Minister, Tony Blair resigned as an MP immediately - shows how much regard he had for his constituents.
Anyway, apparently he's writing a book: http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2010/06/09/gordon-brown-missing-have-you-seen-this-man/
Oh joy!
Anyway, apparently he's writing a book: http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2010/06/09/gordon-brown-missing-have-you-seen-this-man/
Oh joy!
lol, no. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article1080261.eceZenith said:
edit: Oh wow, just realised I've become a full Member now.
Hughes is Lib Dem deputy leader
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Where could spending axe fall?
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Victory for whatdotheyknow website
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Outcry over plans not to extend free school meals
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Is English test really about integration?
from BBC News by Mark Easton
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New Northern Ireland Affairs committee chair appointed
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Government suffers Lords defeat
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UK and US hail Afghan commitment
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US blames EU for Turkey 'drift'
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Turkey's growing hostility to Israel could be partly caused by its effective rejection by the EU, the US defence secretary says.
jas0nuk said:lol, no. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article1080261.ece
edit: Oh wow, just realised I've become a full Member now.
that's it? an op-ed filled with typical eurosceptic BS?
Anatole Kaletsky writes for The Times Comment pages on Thursdays. One of the country's leading commentators on economics, he was formerly Economics Editor and is now Editor-at-large of The Times. He has won many awards for his financial and political journalism. Before joining The Times, he worked for 12 years on the Financial Times.Zenith said:
Just because you don't like his opinion doesn't mean it's bullshit.
Raydeen: They're scrapping the pilot project for non-means-tested free school dinners, I believe. Which means that we'll be going back to the old system where only people who NEED them will get them. Dunno what you're talking about really. Poverty is a huge problem in the UK and has only got worse over the past few decades.
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Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience ð¤
Mr. Sam said:
I can't believe people still give a damn about an individuals sexuality.
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The future of our country and industry is in the EU. I love the idea of a European Confederacy, the idea that a person can come and go as they please, the common sharing of a currency and a vast union of different cultures. It's great. The basis of a type 1 civilisation IMHO. Our technology is already ahead in regards to that.
Boris rise for Living Wage left of Labour
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Badger cull will continue despite appeal, says minister
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'Charities will bear brunt of cuts in public sector,' says Dame Suzi
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UK cuts 'to push unemployment close to 3m'
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Degree costs a burden on taxpayer, says David Willetts
from BBC News
Scottish government Alcohol Bill plan faces key vote
from BBC News
from Liberal Conspiracy by Sunny Hundal
The Guardian reports that Boris Johnson today announced a 25p increase in the London living wage, bringing to £7.85 the hourly rate that Londoners are judged to require to lift them out of poverty.
Badger cull will continue despite appeal, says minister
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The Welsh rural affairs minister says she is determined to continue with a cull of badgers in Pembrokeshire.
'Charities will bear brunt of cuts in public sector,' says Dame Suzi
from The Independent
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UK cuts 'to push unemployment close to 3m'
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Government spending cuts will push UK unemployment up from its current 2.5m to almost 3m, a report has warned.
Degree costs a burden on taxpayer, says David Willetts
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J Tourettes
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Raydeen said:
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Subliminal
Member
Raydeen said:
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You're an actual moron
The BBC coverage of her was disgraceful. "All the other candidates are white men but, holy shit, this one's a black woman. Quick, everyone surrender your votes to our new overlord."Sir Fragula said:
Abbott as Labour leader would rule me out of supporting that party for a long time.
I agree, it's a joke that they're now saying the contest is "diverse" because a black woman has become an option, rather than "white men in suits". The contest has become more diverse, but it's not because she's black or a woman. It's about the views not their fucking race and fashion sense.Mr. Sam said:
It's a shame Abbott is about the worst possible back bencher who could've been in the running. Not a chance and rightly so, hypocritical idiot. Dave Milliband probably gave her his vote to shore up some of the union support Ed has.
For the first of your two stupid statements, a lot of the Turkish people lived in Eastern Europe in the time of the Ottoman Empire, and still would call themselves European. There is a difference between 'Christian' and 'European'.Raydeen said:
As for the second point... What? Poverty does exist in the UK, maybe not much where
you live but certainly elsewhere.
Nexus Zero
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Anyone who thinks Turkey is civilized enough to join the EU simply doesn't think. They're barely a step ahead of the intellectual black hole that lies to their east/south-east.
jas0nuk said:
Silver, Chait destroy GMU economist's claim conservatives understand economics better than liberals
from Media Matters by Brian Frederick
In an op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal, George Mason University economist Daniel Klein purported to show that liberals are less informed about economics than conservatives based on a Zogby poll he conducted with Zogby researcher Zeljka Buturovic. Klein and Buturovic looked at respondents' answers to eight questions about economics and their political leanings. Here's how Klein explained it in the Journal:
...I never even noticed that you cited a fucking Zogby poll. :lol :lol :lol :lol An internet poll. I would've laughed in your face if I noticed that.
Nexus Zero
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Mr. Sam said:
Probably. Economically there's a strong argument for it, but I happen to be cultralist and their's is flat-out inferior.
Anybody gotten angry about this shit: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/10/cherie-booth-cleared-court-comment ?