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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.
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CyclopsRock
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Hob nobs? I should be so lucky. When I was young, we had to make do with Rich Tea, and we was happy to! Folk next door didn't even get a digestive!
heliconsoul
Member
Do Tesco Value Rich Teas exist? That'd be like the 10th level of hell.
What they should really do is set up a factory and export these biscuits to Australia who would be glad to have them. The first settlers did a crappy job and botched the biscuit importation because we only get a limited variety. In saying that we kind of a have a range of our own now.
We'll swap, Hob Nobs for Milk Arrowroots.
We'll swap, Hob Nobs for Milk Arrowroots.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
I used to get them at uni as well as Tesco Value bourbons! Fucking awesome, they taste the same as branded ones.
PJV3
Member
Cosmic Schwung
Member
Aye. We got just a small piece of cardboard cut in t' circle. Between six of us.
CyclopsRock
Member
But that suggests the rise is less than the rise between 2006-2007. I think we should be careful about casually associating trends with supposed causes. Ad hoc ergo propter hoc and all that.
PJV3
Member
it would be interesting to see the regional stats for suicide. The 80's in Manchester were fucking awful, and quite a few people I knew tried to end their lives.
But then again farmers seem to blow their heads off at any moment. So perhaps there isn't as much variability as im assuming.
But then again farmers seem to blow their heads off at any moment. So perhaps there isn't as much variability as im assuming.
CyclopsRock
Member
I'd argue that's slightly less odd and unhealthy when one considers the the government already subsidises the BBC, which requires naught but a TV/radio/computer and an aerial to watch.
PJV3
Member
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21254322
Interesting, fast tracking new recruits into senior police roles. Let's hope we don't have a repeat of the riots anytime soon.
Too much going on at once in the police service?
Interesting, fast tracking new recruits into senior police roles. Let's hope we don't have a repeat of the riots anytime soon.
Too much going on at once in the police service?
anonymous_abc
Member
, for the record, I don't...
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Whenever someone mentions the idea of a Gove PMship I'm reminded of this http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2012...become-britains-first-fascist-prime-minister/
lol
lol
CyclopsRock
Member
CHEEZMO;47092920 said:
Seems a bit tortured to suggest Gove's a fascist because he wants a single exam board for GCSE's. Aside from the fact that he's given free schools the ability to use the International Baccalaureate instead of A-Levels, somewhat rubbishing the idea that he wants the state to control education centrally, the author of that piece also seems to be making the argument that unless you're a Hayekian free marketer, you must be a fascist. He (?) compares issuing exams to issuing currency - if the former is fascist in nature, then so too is the latter. Is the author in favour of the latter? Is the Labour party? Is anyone in the Tory Party? No? Then what is he talking about?
StealthGoblin
Banned
Gove's plans are all well and good, but he's upturning too many apple carts at once and expecting more and better quality cider.
He hasn't thought about the difficulties of implementing his plans with fuck all money.
He hasn't thought about the difficulties of implementing his plans with fuck all money.
CyclopsRock
Member
Maybe he has but he - quite reasonably - expects that he only has 5 years to do anything he has to do?
The government is being shockingly radical in every area of policy. You would think that during a parliament of extensive and biting spending cuts that they would try to avoid rocking-the-boat in other areas but they seem determined to leave their mark in each department. I think Cameron gives the ministers a huge amount of free reign. That makes it more difficult to hear a coherent, unified strategy - in-fact there isn't one!
StealthGoblin
Banned
Maybe I'm a softie, but I don't think its moral to fuck things up just because you are in a hurry. When it comes to education, I think cross-party consensus should be sought with all of the proposals and evidence weighed up.
A major concern of mine is that my profession is politically driven and not professionally driven. The people who know what they are talking about are being overruled in favour of ideology.
Ofsted are not independent. Every teacher knows that. How do we know that? All of the inspectors are former heads and deputy headteachers who feedback all of the information that comes down from the top. Ofsted itself is in a state of disarray and I don't think it is in a fit enough position to judge anywhere else. Its grading framework and 'foci' change more than is healthy. It makes a fair comparison between schools meaningless over 3-4 years because they were assessed differently.
Attendance was a big focus for example, now they scrapped that and are going in hard on the attainment of children on free-school meals, despite a lot of evidence saying that attainment for FSM children is not significantly different from non-FSM children in the same LEA.
What's more, Gove is using Ofsted as his pitbull to mark all of the good/outstanding schools down so they are forced to become an academy. Painfully obvious when a local school recently only got 'Good' even though it is in a seriously deprived area of the country and in the 3rd lowest ranked LEA.
100%, yes, 10% of the children from those disadvantaged children got a level 4 or above at the end of KS2. To me that is much more significant than a school in a wealthy area getting 70% Level 4. Ofsted needs to look more closely at the 'Value added' to each child's education by that specific school.
Its disgustingly depressing.
PJV3
Member
that's why I posted the police story.
elected police commissioners.
foreign police chiefs.
fast tracked officers.
rearranged pay and conditions.
privatisation of some background functions.
combined with a 20% budget cut.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
That's what happens when you run a government based on nothing but ideology and being a ~true believer~. They don't give a shit about what's best, they just want to change shit to how they believe it should be, consequences be damned. No amount of studies and reports and fact-finding missions changes their mind on any of this shit. Whenever something pops up that says "Hey, maybe this is a shit idea?" they trot out some bullshit and sweep it under the rug before pushing on ahead.
Just look at who got put where in the cabinet reshuffle.
CHEEZMO;47098809 said:
I actually think that for the most part the cabinet ministers are true believers and do care passionately about making changes. I do believe that Gove or IDS or Osbourne are honest and genuine in their actions and intentions, regardless of whether I agree with them. The problem is that someone needs to step in and stop that shit.
CyclopsRock
Member
CHEEZMO;47098809 said:
And what do you think defines ones ideology, other than what they think is best? I don't think you have to agree with them to believe they want what's best.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
I meant true believers in their ideology, not in what's best for the people. Just look how many people in the cabinet are antithetical to the jobs they're supposed to be doing.
They don't give a shit how many millions of lives they ruin, how many treasured British institutions they dismantle. As long as they can maintain ideological Tory purity then they will do whatever the fuck they want.
Of course the more sensible answer is that they are insanely corrupt as fuck and will do the above because it will financially benefit them and their chums.
I wonder how many of them have interests in a privatised NHS, privatised prisons and probationary services, a weakened BBC and more freedom for the press to be cunts.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The police needs a severe overhaul, the Met in particular. It is rotten. Note: I am not saying that these methods are the means to achieving that.
However, privatisation has been rejected in certain cases by PCCs:
http://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/lat..._s_g4s_privatisation_plans_scrapped_1_1832214
http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Lo...sation-Plans-Halted-�-PCCs-Blamed-_51202.html
http://www.creweguardian.co.uk/news/10110275.PCC_rejects_police_privatisation_calls/
In the case of the cabinet? Corruption.
PJV3
Member
They need to bed in the elected commissioners before messing around with the senior officers.
Combine an over zealous commisioner with a police chief from the USA and inexperienced fast tracked staff, and I see trouble.
Not saying any of the ideas are bad, just that it is risky to do all at once. And the Minister saying "well we have a Canadian running the bank of England", is the worst non-answer I've heard for ages.
CyclopsRock
Member
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/being-poor-just-keeps-getting-better-2013013158217
You can't argue with the facts.
Daily Mash said:
You can't argue with the facts.
PJV3
Member
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
It would be redundant.
And ergo a lying thieving scrounging bastard who should get a bloody job.
Visualante2
Member
If gay people are allowed to choose between civil partnership and marriage so should straight people. Lib Dems said they were working on it, where's the evidence?
What I've been saying for ages, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21260331 about self employment.
What I've been saying for ages, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21260331 about self employment.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Aaaaand Huhne is gone: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21320992 .
Sir_Crocodile
Member
I don't know which news is better, the confirmation of Richard III's discovery or the end of Huhne's political career
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It has been a pretty great news day and it isn't even lunchtime.
heliconsoul
Member
Well history will remember them both as cunts I suppose.
QuicheFontaine
Member
"BBC legal affairs correspondent Clive Coleman said it was a serious offence which was invariably punished by a prison sentence - usually about six months in this kind of case."
So, what are the odds he actually goes to the clink for this?
So, what are the odds he actually goes to the clink for this?
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Pretty likely I would think. I'd guess 6-18 months (maximum is life imprisonment but that is usually for things like murder threats to witnesses).
He would have got off a prison sentence pleading guilty right from the start. He stood up in court and plead not guilty last week however so the judge will just see it as an attempt to get less time. He'll prob get 3 months in an open prison.
His career is over and Guido Fawkes is cackling.
Jezbollah
Member
Richard III has more life in his corpse than Huhne's political career has.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
"Having taken responsibility for something that happened 10 years ago, the only proper course of action for me is to resign my Eastleigh seat in Parliament, which I will do shortly."
Surely "taking responisbility" would have included at least a few of these:
-not speeding
-taking the points on his license
-not asking his wife to lie for him
-not having an affair
-not calling his wife and half threatening her not to come clean
-not protesting his innocence after the facts came out
-not pleading "not guilty" intitially
But apparently they're both crooked!
Surely "taking responisbility" would have included at least a few of these:
-not speeding
-taking the points on his license
-not asking his wife to lie for him
-not having an affair
-not calling his wife and half threatening her not to come clean
-not protesting his innocence after the facts came out
-not pleading "not guilty" intitially
But apparently they're both crooked!
CyclopsRock
Member
His talk of "taking responsibility" certainly smacks of opportunism somewhat when he tried, at every possible juncture, to lie his way out of it. He finally admitted it when he knew the game was up. How very responsible.
CyclopsRock
Member
Exactly, no one gives a fuck about speeding. If he was all "Yeah, I speed. So what?" I think he'd gain support. Except from Lib Dems I guess, the do-gooder twats.
PJV3
Member
I can't make my mind up about this or David Laws, as the most stupid decision process in politics.
Laws took a complete non-issue and instead of just putting his hand into his considerable pockets, created an expense scandal.