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UK PoliGAF thread of tell me about the rabbits again, Dave.

As for the political shenanigans, you need to tell the people who believe rubbish like that to grow up.

I have no opinion (at least, any educated one) at all on the issue, but why do you find the idea so preposterous that it's a childish one to have? It wouldn't be the first non-political body to become politicised by the impacts politics have on them. Self defense, as it were.
 

PJV3

Member
I have no opinion (at least, any educated one) at all on the issue, but why do you find the idea so preposterous that it's a childish one to have? It wouldn't be the first non-political body to become politicised by the impacts politics have on them. Self defense, as it were.

You would have to at least show an actual change in behaviour I would have thought. What was going on when they produced low GDP figures under labour that were revised upwards? is it a conservative plot that the latest figures avoided a triple dip?
 

8bit

Knows the Score
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David Cameron's young sidekick claims families use food banks so they can spend cash in the pub

It's Tim Nice but Dim.
 
During Prime Minister’s Questions on January 30, Labour’s Dave Watts asked: “Why is the Prime Minister frightened to visit a food bank? Could it be that, if he visited one, he would see the heartless Britain that he is creating?”

Mr Cameron responded that food banks went up 10 fold under Labour, before adding that his local operation was set up “five years ago” before he was PM.

But Witney local Richard MacKenzie said the food bank was just over a year old.

This annoys me, here's a blatant lie and yet no-one bothers to call him on it. It's just ridiculous, but then I shouldn't be surprised I guess. Blatant lying and misleading seems to be a perfectly acceptable nowadays.
 

PJV3

Member
This annoys me, here's a blatant lie and yet no-one bothers to call him on it. It's just ridiculous, but then I shouldn't be surprised I guess. Blatant lying and misleading seems to be a perfectly acceptable nowadays.

Cameron has a habit of telling porkies at PMQs, I don't know if it's the pressure getting to him, or his inner PR bullshitter oozing out. Like his railway Pasty claim, the lies are pretty daft usually.
 
You would have to at least show an actual change in behaviour I would have thought. What was going on when they produced low GDP figures under labour that were revised upwards? is it a conservative plot that the latest figures avoided a triple dip?
I don't know, but it's a question we should be asking, surely? Or, at the very least, not blithely dismissing as childish. Besides, one imagines that the people zomg is talking about have access to significantly more data than you or I.
 

PJV3

Member
I don't know, but it's a question we should be asking, surely? Or, at the very least, not blithely dismissing as childish. Besides, one imagines that the people zomg is talking about have access to significantly more data than you or I.

No it's fucking stupid.

The ONS work through tons of data, some of it contains errors, sometimes data is missing and added later etc. They have revised the GDP figures UPWARDS while the Conservatives are still in power. How does this plot against the government work, did the line manager hold a meeting with the staff about undermining the state, perhaps the Directors alter the figures when nobody is looking. Why aren't the government, the audit office and the police sorting out these conspirators. I'm not against the notion of plots, just name some names, and provide evidence.

All i have heard is the figures are out a bit, they always are and always will be. Delay the reports by 6 months or a year and that problem will disappear.

The bare faced fucking cheek of austerity supporters accusing the ONS of deflating growth, when they spent two years running around screaming "there isn't any money left" and "cuts, cuts and more cuts" is actually worse than childish.

It's almost as dumb as the super secret plot between the Germans and British to ambush the french at an EU summit, that only Cameron, Merkel and everyone in Zomg's office knew about.

Zomg is an OK chap, i just think he works with some dopey fuckers.
 

kitch9

Banned
I'm slightly uneasy about these stories, the fact that he and the others were on my tossers list any makes it a bit easier I suppose.

I sort of wish it was being done out of the media and secretly until a verdict is reached, but that's dangerous in its own right.

I'm being to get the feeling that every skint 40 year old ex teeny bopper is going after compo from any celebrity who they vaguely remember putting their arm round them back in the day.
 

PJV3

Member
I'm being to get the feeling that every skint 40 year old ex teeny bopper is going after compo from any celebrity who they vaguely remember putting their arm round them back in the day.

That's a part of my concern, but it's the stigma of the crimes and evidence is essentially going to be one word against many.

I want justice for any victims, but it's just as important for the accused. even if they are found innocent there will be nudges and winks. Clifford is an arse, which makes it even more dangerous in a way.
 
No it's fucking stupid.

The ONS work through tons of data, some of it contains errors, sometimes data is missing and added later etc. They have revised the GDP figures UPWARDS while the Conservatives are still in power. How does this plot against the government work, did the line manager hold a meeting with the staff about undermining the state, perhaps the Directors alter the figures when nobody is looking. Why aren't the government, the audit office and the police sorting out these conspirators. I'm not against the notion of plots, just name some names, and provide evidence.

All i have heard is the figures are out a bit, they always are and always will be. Delay the reports by 6 months or a year and that problem will disappear.

The bare faced fucking cheek of austerity supporters accusing the ONS of deflating growth, when they spent two years running around screaming "there isn't any money left" and "cuts, cuts and more cuts" is actually worse than childish.

It's almost as dumb as the super secret plot between the Germans and British to ambush the french at an EU summit, that only Cameron, Merkel and everyone in Zomg's office knew about.

Zomg is an OK chap, i just think he works with some dopey fuckers.

It's stuff like getting a -1.1% double dip recession wrong and it ending up as a -0.1% downturn that gets people talking. Like I said, I don't personally subscribe to the theory, I put it down to incompetence personally, but there is no doubt that last autumn's double dip recession was very politically damaging for the coalition and if it does transpire (as it probably will) that it actually didn't happen then there does need to be some level of accountability. What really set people off talking was the Bank's forecast and measurements talking about a -0.1-0.3% contraction for a single quarter and no double dip, and the OBR also saying the same despite their figures coming out after the ONS figures. The Bank even openly questioned the validity of ONS data at the time, I remember it being quite controversial at the time also, and even looking at the market reaction the decent 0.3% figures, it has been very muted because people expect that figure to be revised quite a bit by the same time next year and it could even end up negative or at +0.5% once more manufacturing data rolls in.

As for the EU, that is exactly what happened. Cameron and Merkel had private talks in No. 10 a before the summit and then presented a united plan to cut the EU budget and ambushed François Hollande with it. They won that particular battle btw.
 

PJV3

Member
It's stuff like getting a -1.1% double dip recession wrong and it ending up as a -0.1% downturn that gets people talking. Like I said, I don't personally subscribe to the theory, I put it down to incompetence personally, but there is no doubt that last autumn's double dip recession was very politically damaging for the coalition and if it does transpire (as it probably will) that it actually didn't happen then there does need to be some level of accountability. What really set people off talking was the Bank's forecast and measurements talking about a -0.1-0.3% contraction for a single quarter and no double dip, and the OBR also saying the same despite their figures coming out after the ONS figures. The Bank even openly questioned the validity of ONS data at the time, I remember it being quite controversial at the time also, and even looking at the market reaction the decent 0.3% figures, it has been very muted because people expect that figure to be revised quite a bit by the same time next year and it could even end up negative or at +0.5% once more manufacturing data rolls in.

As for the EU, that is exactly what happened. Cameron and Merkel had private talks in No. 10 a before the summit and then presented a united plan to cut the EU budget and ambushed François Hollande with it. They won that particular battle btw.

I'm not going to go on about the ONS, because you didn't accuse them of anything political, and I can accept an accusation of incompetence over a grand leftist plot. (but mostly because it's a dull subject)

It's systemic, either change the data they measure or delay the timing of reports.

My comment about an Anglo-German ambush refers to this-

"He's not going to be around after April 2012, David Cameron is likely going to be UK PM until 2020, Merkel and the Germans know who is going to be a better long term friend and who to keep on side. AnEU expert from a different (German) bank on the same business trip was saying today that an Anglo-Saxon deal could be forged around March while Sarko is out campaigning and distracted and then a new French President will be presented it on their first day at the office making it very difficult to reject".

It just not how modern states work, im talking about the being distracted and suprised on the first day at the office stuff. There is a huge beurocracy and officialdom that operates in the background keeping politicians upto date and producing a range of responses.

I just think you need to check some of these people's noses for white powder and tin foil hats. :D

You need to get out of the Square mile and get to China before you become one of them.
 

PJV3

Member
That's a bit odd - they claim she's a holocaust denier, when actually what she said was a) not denying the holocaust and b) arguably worse than that.

I think saying it wasn't the NAZIs fault, the beastly zionists caused it counts as denial.
I'd call it being a cunt, but what can you do.
 

Protome

Member
I have the most serious and important question ever posed to this thread before to ask you all.

If Scotland becomes Independent will we still be accepted into the UK Poligaf thread?
 

PJV3

Member
I have the most serious and important question ever posed to this thread before to ask you all.

If Scotland becomes Independent will we still be accepted into the UK Poligaf thread?

It won't be UKgaf anymore, you can come and insult Anglogaf whenever you want though.

Actually I'm not sure what we will be called, Wales is a principality, maybe EngWalNi.
 
She sounds like an idiot, either way. I think it is erroneous, though, to assume that all temporary UKIP members are from the Tory party, though. A huge chunk of the people disenfranchised with the EU and immigration from the EU are white, working class British people who find their jobs far more at threat than your traditional Tory voter might. And last time I looked, the Tories weren't the party of the working classes! Unless I've been mislead on that, of course, and that really they are.
 

PJV3

Member
She sounds like an idiot, either way. I think it is erroneous, though, to assume that all temporary UKIP members are from the Tory party, though. A huge chunk of the people disenfranchised with the EU and immigration from the EU are white, working class British people who find their jobs far more at threat than your traditional Tory voter might. And last time I looked, the Tories weren't the party of the working classes! Unless I've been mislead on that, of course, and that really they are.

The Working class has always had loads of tory voters, it's also had Labour voters with certain right wing views about foreign people.

I can see why some from the Left want out of the EU, economic policy is completely at odds with it. But no serious socialist should be in a party led hy Farage.
 

CHEEZMO™

Obsidian fan
UKIP are the BNP just pro-capital. The fact that these fucking scumbags are being legitimised by the media makes me furious.

I guess it's okay to give them a platform as long as they're middle-class.
 

defel

Member
Its hardly surprising given UKIP's rapid rise to popularity that half the candidates the party has put up for election are lunatics. UKIP doesnt have the manpower to vet them all.
 

f0rk

Member
Are there any respectable UKIP candidates? There's like 2 or 3 new stories about completely new people every day.
 

PJV3

Member
Are there any respectable UKIP candidates? There's like 2 or 3 new stories about completely new people every day.

they are a mixture of the barmy and bastards, and there is a core of vanilla Thatcherites, but working out who is what isn't worth the effort.
 

CHEEZMO™

Obsidian fan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/01/benefit-cap-eviction-threat
Tenants participating in a trial of the government's controversial benefit cap are being sent eviction letters because the welfare changes mean they "may not be able to afford the rent" and they may have to leave their homes within 14 days, according to documents obtained by the Guardian.

In the first tangible proof that the cap would lead to rising levels of homelessness, one of Britain's biggest social landlords, Genesis, has issued a warning to tenants in Haringey – a London borough chosen by ministers to test plans to limit benefit payments to £26,000 a year – saying that it will now need to start legal proceedings to "terminate our lease".

The letter from Genesis says it has been forced into taking these steps because of the "significant changes being currently introduced to the welfare benefit system". The letter warns that, if the tenants do not offer a defence, a court can force eviction within 14 days.

The overall benefit cap set at £500 per week, or £350 for single people, was introduced in four London local authorities – Enfield, Bromley, Croydon and Haringey – in mid-April, and will be rolled out nationally later in the year. The Department for Work and Pensions has estimated that 56,000 households will be hit, with an average weekly loss of £93. The majority will be families with children.

It begins
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
CHEEZMO™;56497068 said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/may/01/benefit-cap-eviction-threat
The letter from Genesis says it has been forced into taking these steps because of the "significant changes being currently introduced to the welfare benefit system". The letter warns that, if the tenants do not offer a defence, a court can force eviction within 14 days.
It begins

Well maybe it begins, but it isn't going to end all that easily.

If these guys think they can serve notice on tenancies merely because of a change of government policy and not through any default of the tenant then they have not read their various Landlord and Tenant Acts properly (or alternatively they are using shyster solicitors to press their case).

In general the tenants do not need to offer a "defence". The landlord needs to make a case, which apparently has not so far been made.

This is a whole bunch of non-news dressed up as oppression.

The bad news is that some people might fall for it.
 

f0rk

Member
In the full article a comment from Genesis seems to suggest they might already be in arrears I think

A spokesperson for Genesis at first denied that letters had been sent out. When confronted with the text of the letter, the social landlord, which manages about 30,000 homes across London and south-east England, said there had been a "cack-handed attempt" to explain the situation in Haringey to "some clients". "That letter should not have been written that way. We are working with tenants in Haringey to help them out of arrears."
 

PJV3

Member
In the full article a comment from Genesis seems to suggest they might already be in arrears I think

Why are they linking the cap?, I get private landlords(where the trouble is going to be) going after a better rent if the benefit goes down, but why would a housing association, they have a social responsibility element.

Why not use a standard letter/warning about arrears, it's a bit more than cack handed.

"you might not be able to afford the rent"
"Court action, 14 days to get out"

If it's down to the cap, and people have been paying off arrears, then renegotiate the payments plan.
 
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