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Dahbomb

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SCR TOP 16 RESULTS

WINNERS

BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)

LOSERS

BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)

Character Distribution

8 Wesker
4 Doom
4 Wolverine
3 Magneto
3 Zero
2 Amaterasu
2 Akuma
2 Dormammu
2 Phoenix
2 Strider
2 Taskmaster
1 Dante
1 Dr. Strange
1 Captain America
1 Chris
1 Frank West
1 Hawkeye
1 Hsien-Ko
1 Iron Fist
1 Nemesis
1 Sentinel
1 Spencer
1 Storm
1 Trish
1 Vergil


Solid character distribution aside from duh Wesker global saturation. Not as bad as NEC at all.

No Felicia, Nova, X-23, Deadpool, Ryu, Viper and Firebrand etc despite being considered good/great characters. This distribution also has less Spencers and Hawkeyes than I thought it would have.
 

Dahbomb

Member
nova and vergil confirmed to be garbage tier with hsien-ko and tron.
Basically Firebrand, Nova, Felicia, X-23, C Viper, Ryu, Deadpool etc confirmed to be bottom tier with Tron and She Hulk. Vergil and Hsien Ko in same tier confirmed.

Capcom tier list vindicated.
 
There WILL be salt at EC invasion of WC.

SCR TOP 16 RESULTS

WINNERS

BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)

LOSERS

BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)

on blast
 

Dahbomb

Member
I already put myself on blast in the SCR thread. Especially after the Flocker and ChrisG blow ups. Also technically EC is still in this with Jago and Noel Brown although I don't expect them to win this (could happen who knows).

Oh well... so any predictions on who is going to win from this top 16? I have to pick my 3rd pick for the tournament (first ChrisG, second Flocker) which is Justin Wong.
 

Azure J

Member
There is only one Dante in the top placers? Whoa, things done changed. Zero slowly but surely getting up there in usage though.
 

Neki

Member
I'm surprised ammy is even in top 16, rofl.

x-ray use to be my favourite ammy player, but he dropped her for dark wesker. :(
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
SCR TOP 16 RESULTS

WINNERS

BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)

LOSERS

BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)

Character Distribution

8 Wesker
4 Doom
4 Wolverine
3 Magneto
3 Zero
2 Amaterasu
2 Akuma
2 Dormammu
2 Phoenix
2 Strider
2 Taskmaster
1 Dante
1 Dr. Strange
1 Captain America
1 Chris
1 Frank West
1 Hawkeye
1 Hsien-Ko
1 Iron Fist
1 Nemesis
1 Sentinel
1 Spencer
1 Storm
1 Trish
1 Vergil


Solid character distribution aside from duh Wesker global saturation. Not as bad as NEC at all.

No Felicia, Nova, X-23, Deadpool, Ryu, Viper and Firebrand etc despite being considered good/great characters. This distribution also has less Spencers and Hawkeyes than I thought it would have.

How does it feel?
 
How does it feel?

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Dahbomb

Member
There is only one Dante in the top placers? Whoa, things done changed. Zero slowly but surely getting up there in usage though.
I am really surprised at the number of people who have dropped Dante going from vanilla to Ultimate. People just don't want to work anymore with characters. Dante requires more work but he is still top 5 in the game.

Also Ammy is still very good, I don't know why it's a surprise that she is in a top 16 for a tournament. Solid set of tools, great assist and much better as anchor now.


How does it feel?
I would rather there be no Vergil in top 16 than it be Marn's fraud Vergil.

Like I said... most successful "worst" Vergil out there right now.
 
I'm surprised ammy is even in top 16, rofl.

x-ray use to be my favourite ammy player, but he dropped her for dark wesker. :(
oh no...

ohhh ewww

*rubs forehead*
SCR TOP 16 RESULTS

WINNERS

BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)

LOSERS

BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)

Character Distribution

8 Wesker
4 Doom
4 Wolverine
3 Magneto
3 Zero
2 Amaterasu
2 Akuma
2 Dormammu
2 Phoenix
2 Strider
2 Taskmaster
1 Dante
1 Dr. Strange
1 Captain America
1 Chris
1 Frank West
1 Hawkeye
1 Hsien-Ko
1 Iron Fist
1 Nemesis
1 Sentinel
1 Spencer
1 Storm
1 Trish
1 Vergil


Solid character distribution aside from duh Wesker global saturation. Not as bad as NEC at all.

No Felicia, Nova, X-23, Deadpool, Ryu, Viper and Firebrand etc despite being considered good/great characters. This distribution also has less Spencers and Hawkeyes than I thought it would have.
Let us just hope that a good five or so get knocked out before top eight. It'd be hilarious if it ended up being another 7/8 or 6/8 in top eight.
 

Dahbomb

Member
It's impossible for there to be 8 Weskers in top 8 because either of Justin or LLND winning will have one team which doesn't have Wesker on it.

This is the maximum possible of Weskers in top 8 based on worst case scenario:

Viscant vs Clockwork
Ricky vs Marn
Jago vs Vader
Neo vs KillerKai <-- Wesker is guaranteed from this match up
Noel vs FChamp
Floe vs Tapebot
Mine vs DiosX

So yeah 7/8 Weskers again is definitely on the table. Best case scenario only 1 Wesker makes it out.
 
I don't think Firebrand will ever become a top character in usage for one reason: his assists blow. There's a good reason characters like Zero, Firebrand, and C. Viper don't see a lot of high level play, and it's not just that they are difficult to use...

...it's that their assists all suck.

Everyone loves a team with a lot of synergy. By including a "point only" character, you're automatically limiting yourself in team synergy. Let's check this team out:
Shuma-Gorath/Taskmaster/Felicia.

Taskmaster has Aim Master L, which is great for Shuma-Gorath and Felicia.
Shuma-Gorath as Mystic Ray, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.
Felicia has Rolling Buckler, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.

Taskmaster doesn't need projectile support, so it's cool if Shuma-Gorath dies. He just needs help opening people up, and Felicia's awesome low hitting assist helps him with that. If you DHC Shuma-Gorath to Taskmaster, things aren't quite as great if Taskmaster dies, but you can DHC all three characters and still have a really functional team. If someone snaps Felicia in because unblockables irritate them or they don't want to deal with anchor Felicia, they're probably going to regret it.

In other words, this team functions on multiple levels.

My team, Firebrand/Dormammu/Morrigan, is a fun team, but the synergy outside of Dark Harmonizer is ass because Firebrand and Dormammu both have no great assists. If I were to replace Dormammu with any projectile assist in this game, my team would be stronger just because Firebrand has options since he is no longer being crippled by Dormammu's bad assists. In fact, in every single Dormammu team I make, I cringe a bit whenever I realize that I could make the team stronger in terms of synergy by removing him.

So, let's look at the assists of the character usage among top 16:
8 Wesker - Samurai Edge; relaunch and unblockables
4 Doom - duh
4 Wolverine - bad assists, but Berserker Barrage can provide some pinning at least
3 Magneto - EM Disruptor, one of the best projectiles in the game
3 Zero - bad assists unless buffed via Sougenmu
2 Amaterasu - Cold Stars, arguably the best pinning assist in the game
2 Akuma - Tatsu
2 Dormammu - Dark Hole is the least terrible
2 Phoenix - not worth risking the call, but TK Overdrive is actually really good
2 Strider - Vajra
2 Taskmaster - Aim Master L
1 Dante - Jam Session / Weasel Shot
1 Dr. Strange - all 3 are situationally good
1 Captain America - Shield Slash and Charging Star
1 Chris - Gun Fire
1 Frank West - Shopping Cart
1 Hawkeye - Arrows
1 Hsien-Ko - Senpu Bu
1 Iron Fist - Dragon Kick (yeah I don't know the name)
1 Nemesis - Clothesline Rocket
1 Sentinel - all are solid, but Sentinel Force is obviously the best
1 Spencer - Wire Grapple M is so good
1 Storm - Whirlwind H - not the best assist, but it's not bad
1 Trish - Peekaboo and Low Voltage H
1 Vergil - Rapid Slash

Notice, outside of a handful of these characters, that all of them offer some good horizontal coverage in some form. A lot of these characters don't lack good, potential assist moves, either.

Easy changes to give characters with crappy assists at least one good option:
Wolverine - Swiss Cheese
C. Viper - Optic Blast
Dormammu - he needs a complete rework; assists should be Dark Matter, tracking Purification a la Blackheart, and Power of the Destructor
Super-Skrull: Tenderizer L and Meteor Smash (tracking....lol, that would be hilarious)
Firebrand: Hell Spitfire L should replace one of his two Demon Missile assists; he might be in need of a custom assist, like Frank West

And I bet that when I listed my teams, aside from maybe Firebrand, you already knew what assists were being used. I think this is telling.

Some extra bitching:
Out of all 12 new characters, Firebrand is the only one without a good assist!
 
Karst, I think you need to decide whether to play Firebrand or Dormammu and build the team around them. Unless you're having more fun than you would with anything else.

Berserker barrage isn't a bad assist, by the way. It might not have any cool properties, but it keeps them standing like Iron Man's beam, which is good for a lot of characters like Wesker or Iron Fist.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Karst you are right to some extent but those characters are held back more by execution than assists.

Wolverine and Zero are prominent even now because their execution requirement is far less and they are strong point characters. If people feel that the characters are up there if you make a team around them then people will use them more. Right now people just don't think Viper and Firebrand are worth that investment... hence being not that popular.

Also you can add Spider Man to that list. Crap assists on him as well. I think Storm has absolutely garbage assists too but her DHC is strong enough to be put on teams for that because that wins matches. Nemesis has average assists too.. he is pretty much a point character.

Honestly Iron Man has 2 great assists but you don't see him on teams because he is held back both by tools, safety/synergy of DHC options and execution requirement. If he was easier to play or he had better DHC options people would use him more because he would be easier to fit in teams. Assist selection isn't the only tool to consider in team synergies.

Finally, you can't just say "I want to play these 3 characters" and expect they are going to go together. I can't just play Spider Man/Wolverine/Jill (maybe I can but I can't see this being a good team) and expect this to be a good team, even if I want them to. I think you have to design team around various different character archetypes and an assist that helps them out... so you always have to be open about playing characters you may not want to play for the sake of team chemistry. If you don't design teams around different character archetypes... you can get blown up by a single character due to match up. That team would get blown up by Zero but if I replace just one character like Jill with let's say Hawkeye it becomes a much better team.
 
Karst, I think you need to decide whether to play Firebrand or Dormammu and build the team around them. Unless you're having more fun than you would with anything else.

Berserker barrage isn't a bad assist, by the way. It might not have any cool properties, but it keeps them standing like Iron Man's beam, which is good for a lot of characters like Wesker or Iron Fist.
Berserker Barrage is definitely bad, but not terrible. In my mind, if there are several assists that do the same job, but much, much better, then it's a bad assist. Certainly, you'll have some differences in assists (all of the beams are very different, but useful), but there's no reason you would include Wolverine on your team unless you wanted to use Wolverine, if you follow me.

I'm sticking with Firebrand/Dormammu/Morrigan. The team makes me happy to use. The only better options than Firebrand are characters I hate anyway, or can't use (C. Viper).

Karst you are right to some extent but those characters are held back more by execution than assists.

Wolverine and Zero are prominent even now because their execution requirement is far less and they are strong point characters. If people feel that the characters are up there if you make a team around them then people will use them more. Right now people just don't think Viper and Firebrand are worth that investment... hence being not that popular.

Also you can add Spider Man to that list. Crap assists on him as well. I think Storm has absolutely garbage assists too but her DHC is strong enough to be put on teams for that because that wins matches. Nemesis has average assists too.. he is pretty much a point character.

Honestly Iron Man has 2 great assists but you don't see him on teams because he is held back both by tools, safety/synergy of DHC options and execution requirement. If he was easier to play or he had better DHC options people would use him more because he would be easier to fit in teams. Assist selection isn't the only tool to consider in team synergies.
Oh yeah, there are a lot more bad assist characters with EASY solutions.
Spider-man: Web Throw L
Ryu: Explosive Hadoken
Viewtiful Joe - charged Voomerang

Firebrand, outside of his broken unblockable setup, just doesn't offer enough over the top tiers. He's really nasty, but his damage also blows, so you have to work really hard as him for weak results, and then he doesn't provide anything good for your team if you tag him out - blech! I agree the execution is a huge factor, which is why I bolded the "just". I think that if C. Viper had a beam assist, a lot more people would be willing to work on her.

I guess I would frame it this way:
1) Everyone has a favorite character.
2) Everyone builds their team around that favorite character.
3) Characters with good assists will get picked because they help the favorite character.
4) Characters with bad assists will get picked only if they happen to be the favorite character.
 
So oldschool Neo is in the top? Hopefully he can return to his former glory.

But..... seeing either Jwong or Viscant take it. Hoping LLND takes it. Would be priceless.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Charged Voomerang would be crazy unless it had tons of start up.

Web Throw would be really nice to have. Swiss Cheese and Optic Blast too but if charged moves are available for assists... give me fucking Round Trip of Vergil and Buster shot of Zero too.

Why would Dorm have tracking Purification if his on point version doesn't track? He's either going to have LMH Purification. I like Power of Destruction assist and Dark Matter though, those would be good assists to have.

Skrull should have his M or L Tenderizer. The H Tenderizer makes him too vulnerable sometimes.

Deadpool should have his L/M Trigger Happy special.

Nova should have Energy Javelin assist.

Tron... just needs a really good assist although not Gustaff good.

I can keep on going on this. Also a lot of characters in this game have good assists but are natural point characters like Haggar, Iron Fist and Hulk so it's a major dilemma trying to fit into a team because they are only optimum on point and then you can't really make use of their assists all that well.
 
For sure. But like you say, there's no vacuum for these things, the fact that it's attached to a good character is important.

Good on you for sticking with your shit, I'm just lucky my favorite characters Wesker and Magneto are as good as they are.
 
Nova could have Centurion Arts L as well but he has two good assists for different purposes. Grav Pulse H and Centurion arts M both are good on different teams.

Thor/She Hulk need to have there command grab as an assist.
 
Just imagine it. You catch someone with light hitstun move, they block, then bam, Thor's command grab assist into full combo.

Opponent is left stunned not to mention the reset potential.
 
Charged Voomerang would be crazy unless it had tons of start up.
I figure it should have some solid startup to go with it, just like the point move.

Web Throw would be really nice to have. Swiss Cheese and Optic Blast too but if charged moves are available for assists... give me fucking Round Trip of Vergil and Buster shot of Zero too.
Haha, level 3 buster shot for Zero would just be ludicrous! :p Round Trip for Vergil seems fine, though.

Why would Dorm have tracking Purification if his on point version doesn't track? He's either going to have LMH Purification. I like Power of Destruction assist and Dark Matter though, those would be good assists to have.
Why not? Plenty of characters have moves for their assists that don't even exist at all for them on point. Plenty of characters have modified versions of their normal moves as assists, too. I would think of it like this: while you're using Dormammu you make an intelligent decision about where to place Purification. So why wouldn't Dormammu, when called as an assist, make an intelligent decision about where to place Purification? It's actually rather silly, when you think about it, that he only uses Purification L.

Actually, here's my dirty secret: I wish I could cycle between all three of a characters' assists mid-match.

Skrull should have his M or L Tenderizer. The H Tenderizer makes him too vulnerable sometimes.
Definitely.

Deadpool should have his L/M Trigger Happy special.
I feel like that might be too strong. Amaterasu used to have Cold Stars L for her assist, but it was just too much. Trigger Happy lasts longer enough that it would be a full screen horizontal pinning attack.

Nova should have Energy Javelin assist.
Definitely.

Tron... just needs a really good assist although not Gustaff good.
I think her Boulder assist is underrated. Unlike the point version, it goes full-screen, and it has 10 durability points, which means it beats out every other projectile assist in this game AFAIK. During the startup, it also absorbs projectiles, so it won't lose in a firefight.

I can keep on going on this. Also a lot of characters in this game have good assists but are natural point characters like Haggar, Iron Fist and Hulk so it's a major dilemma trying to fit into a team because they are only optimum on point and then you can't really make use of their assists all that well.
I wouldn't put Hulk there - he scares me even when he's alone with the buffed Gamma Charge, now. Haggar should have a barrel/pipe toss, and Iron Fist should just get to use his dragon kick whenever he wants.

For sure. But like you say, there's no vacuum for these things, the fact that it's attached to a good character is important.
No doubt.

Good on you for sticking with your shit, I'm just lucky my favorite characters Wesker and Magneto are as good as they are.
I think my team has a ton of synergy...it's just that it's all via Morrigan, haha.

everyone should just be given an otg assist.

everyone is happy!
The best way to know an assist is bad is if its sole value is in combo extension. OTG assists need to be OTG + "something else" to be good. Like hitting low.
 

Dahbomb

Member
The assist call has to be really tight because if you are either in the air holding up/back or in block stun the command grab would not work. They can be set ups and resets made that make use of it but due to poor range they won't be used that much anyway. People thought Zangief's command grab was godly month 1 of MVC2 but then they realized that the game is meant to be played more in the air than on the ground crouch blocking.

Unless Vergil has a lot of start up on Round Trip it would be pretty crazy. It would basically be a new age Sentinel Drones assist because it goes up and it comes back and there is a gap in between for fuzzy guard set ups. Not to mention the lock down potential.

Man I swear Karsts will always find something to complain about Dorm. Now that he's finally godly on point... that's not good enough now he has to have tracking fully vertical projectiles. ;)

Agreed on OTG assists though... simply OTG assists aren't good enough in this game they have to have an extra property on them to make them worthwhile.
 

Neki

Member
The assist call has to be really tight because if you are either in the air holding up/back or in block stun the command grab would not work. They can be set ups and resets made that make use of it but due to poor range they won't be used that much anyway. People thought Zangief's command grab was godly month 1 of MVC2 but then they realized that the game is meant to be played more in the air than on the ground crouch blocking.

so they need to include the anti-air command grabs.
 
There's nothing funny about ouroboros.
I don't follow.
I don't think Firebrand will ever become a top character in usage for one reason: his assists blow. There's a good reason characters like Zero, Firebrand, and C. Viper don't see a lot of high level play, and it's not just that they are difficult to use...

...it's that their assists all suck.

Everyone loves a team with a lot of synergy. By including a "point only" character, you're automatically limiting yourself in team synergy. Let's check this team out:
Shuma-Gorath/Taskmaster/Felicia.

Taskmaster has Aim Master L, which is great for Shuma-Gorath and Felicia.
Shuma-Gorath as Mystic Ray, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.
Felicia has Rolling Buckler, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.

Taskmaster doesn't need projectile support, so it's cool if Shuma-Gorath dies. He just needs help opening people up, and Felicia's awesome low hitting assist helps him with that. If you DHC Shuma-Gorath to Taskmaster, things aren't quite as great if Taskmaster dies, but you can DHC all three characters and still have a really functional team. If someone snaps Felicia in because unblockables irritate them or they don't want to deal with anchor Felicia, they're probably going to regret it.

In other words, this team functions on multiple levels.

My team, Firebrand/Dormammu/Morrigan, is a fun team, but the synergy outside of Dark Harmonizer is ass because Firebrand and Dormammu both have no great assists. If I were to replace Dormammu with any projectile assist in this game, my team would be stronger just because Firebrand has options since he is no longer being crippled by Dormammu's bad assists. In fact, in every single Dormammu team I make, I cringe a bit whenever I realize that I could make the team stronger in terms of synergy by removing him.

So, let's look at the assists of the character usage among top 16:
8 Wesker - Samurai Edge; relaunch and unblockables
4 Doom - duh
4 Wolverine - bad assists, but Berserker Barrage can provide some pinning at least
3 Magneto - EM Disruptor, one of the best projectiles in the game
3 Zero - bad assists unless buffed via Sougenmu
2 Amaterasu - Cold Stars, arguably the best pinning assist in the game
2 Akuma - Tatsu
2 Dormammu - Dark Hole is the least terrible
2 Phoenix - not worth risking the call, but TK Overdrive is actually really good
2 Strider - Vajra
2 Taskmaster - Aim Master L
1 Dante - Jam Session / Weasel Shot
1 Dr. Strange - all 3 are situationally good
1 Captain America - Shield Slash and Charging Star
1 Chris - Gun Fire
1 Frank West - Shopping Cart
1 Hawkeye - Arrows
1 Hsien-Ko - Senpu Bu
1 Iron Fist - Dragon Kick (yeah I don't know the name)
1 Nemesis - Clothesline Rocket
1 Sentinel - all are solid, but Sentinel Force is obviously the best
1 Spencer - Wire Grapple M is so good
1 Storm - Whirlwind H - not the best assist, but it's not bad
1 Trish - Peekaboo and Low Voltage H
1 Vergil - Rapid Slash

Notice, outside of a handful of these characters, that all of them offer some good horizontal coverage in some form. A lot of these characters don't lack good, potential assist moves, either.

Easy changes to give characters with crappy assists at least one good option:
Wolverine - Swiss Cheese
C. Viper - Optic Blast
Dormammu - he needs a complete rework; assists should be Dark Matter, tracking Purification a la Blackheart, and Power of the Destructor
Super-Skrull: Tenderizer L and Meteor Smash (tracking....lol, that would be hilarious)
Firebrand: Hell Spitfire L should replace one of his two Demon Missile assists; he might be in need of a custom assist, like Frank West

And I bet that when I listed my teams, aside from maybe Firebrand, you already knew what assists were being used. I think this is telling.

Some extra bitching:
Out of all 12 new characters, Firebrand is the only one without a good assist!
I tried so hard to integrate Firebrand into my team before I decided to quit the game. The fact that he had an OTG assist that was slow nearly drove me insane when I saw Wesker right there with his stupid little pistol.
everyone should just be given an otg assist.

everyone is happy!
They should just buff all the current OTG assists so they are actually useful. I'm tired of Capcom protecting top tiers like they will be nerfed to shit by other characters being good.
 
Since Command Grabs would be so restricted, I don't see what's so crazy about letting them grab in the air and on the ground simultaneously. Like a special, assist-only version.
 
+1 for command grab assists. We want those in this game please.

From my interview:

Seth Killian said:
Speaking frankly, throw assists can cause a lot of technical problems and bugs. We&#8217;ve also found they can be hard to make effective (especially as assists) because of how they require the opponent to be at a specific range AND free from both hit and blockstun to grab, but I personally think it's an area that could be explored further.
 

Dahbomb

Member
I don't see what's so crazy about letting them grab in the air and on the ground simultaneously.
That's fucking BULL SHIT. The corner reset OS from this would be completely stupid.

It would basically lead to unavoidable situations in the corner where the point character would just pin down the opponent long enough for them to fall to that sweet spot where they can get command grabbed... air or grounded.
 
No idea. Guess UMvC3 was more hype and bringing in more views than AE.

LOL. Wonder if Capcom is getting a little salty now. There star child may get outshown by the black sheep.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Skullgirls custom assist option is looking mighty fine right about now...
That's the one thing I wanted the most from MVC3 coming from MVC2.

Being able to record an action with your character during the character select screen and that would be your assist for it. Even normals and command normals. Would be absolutely godlike and lots of possible tech could come out of it.

Oh well...

LOL. Wonder if Capcom is getting a little salty now. There star child may get outshown by the black sheep.
If they didn't give a shit after MK9 they will definitely not give a shit now.

UMVC3 had more viewers than SSF4AE. Lots more buzz/hype as well. As of right now it should be the main event.

I think AE tends to be much less hype without international players. Makes me wonder how absurd Marvel would be if it had more of an international scene.
 
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