Play your team out of order.
that's a good idea. should start hawkeye on point more often.
Play your team out of order.
Basically Firebrand, Nova, Felicia, X-23, C Viper, Ryu, Deadpool etc confirmed to be bottom tier with Tron and She Hulk. Vergil and Hsien Ko in same tier confirmed.nova and vergil confirmed to be garbage tier with hsien-ko and tron.
There WILL be salt at EC invasion of WC.
SCR TOP 16 RESULTS
WINNERS
BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)
LOSERS
BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)
SCR TOP 16 RESULTS
WINNERS
BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)
LOSERS
BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)
Character Distribution
8 Wesker
4 Doom
4 Wolverine
3 Magneto
3 Zero
2 Amaterasu
2 Akuma
2 Dormammu
2 Phoenix
2 Strider
2 Taskmaster
1 Dante
1 Dr. Strange
1 Captain America
1 Chris
1 Frank West
1 Hawkeye
1 Hsien-Ko
1 Iron Fist
1 Nemesis
1 Sentinel
1 Spencer
1 Storm
1 Trish
1 Vergil
Solid character distribution aside from duh Wesker global saturation. Not as bad as NEC at all.
No Felicia, Nova, X-23, Deadpool, Ryu, Viper and Firebrand etc despite being considered good/great characters. This distribution also has less Spencers and Hawkeyes than I thought it would have.
I am really surprised at the number of people who have dropped Dante going from vanilla to Ultimate. People just don't want to work anymore with characters. Dante requires more work but he is still top 5 in the game.There is only one Dante in the top placers? Whoa, things done changed. Zero slowly but surely getting up there in usage though.
I would rather there be no Vergil in top 16 than it be Marn's fraud Vergil.How does it feel?
oh no...I'm surprised ammy is even in top 16, rofl.
x-ray use to be my favourite ammy player, but he dropped her for dark wesker.
Let us just hope that a good five or so get knocked out before top eight. It'd be hilarious if it ended up being another 7/8 or 6/8 in top eight.SCR TOP 16 RESULTS
WINNERS
BOX|Viscant (Wesker, Doctor Doom, Phoenix)
EG|Justin Wong EG|Justin Wong (Iron Fist, Wolverine, Akuma)
EG|Ricky Ortiz (Wolverine, Wesker, Akuma)
FC|Jago (Trish, Dante, Wesker)
Neo (Wesker, Magneto, Phoenix)
UVG|Noel Brown (Wolverine, Frank West, Wesker)
Tape-Bot (Zero, Hawkeye, Spencer)
MINE (Wesker, Taskmaster, Magneto)
LOSERS
BT|Clockw0rk (Doctor Doom, Strider, Amaterasu)
LLND (Chris, Hsien-Ko, Amaterasu)
MRN|Marn (Captain America, Zero, Vergil)
Vader (Wolverine, Dormammu, Doctor Doom)
Killer Kai (Zero, Taskmaster, Wesker)
coL.cc|FilipinoChamp (Magneto, Dr. Strange, Dormammu)
EG|fLoE (Nemesis, Wesker, Strider)
Dios X (Doctor Doom, Storm, Sentinel)
Character Distribution
8 Wesker
4 Doom
4 Wolverine
3 Magneto
3 Zero
2 Amaterasu
2 Akuma
2 Dormammu
2 Phoenix
2 Strider
2 Taskmaster
1 Dante
1 Dr. Strange
1 Captain America
1 Chris
1 Frank West
1 Hawkeye
1 Hsien-Ko
1 Iron Fist
1 Nemesis
1 Sentinel
1 Spencer
1 Storm
1 Trish
1 Vergil
Solid character distribution aside from duh Wesker global saturation. Not as bad as NEC at all.
No Felicia, Nova, X-23, Deadpool, Ryu, Viper and Firebrand etc despite being considered good/great characters. This distribution also has less Spencers and Hawkeyes than I thought it would have.
Marn. Controls. Everything.I would rather there be no Vergil in top 16 than it be Marn's fraud Vergil.
Like I said... most successful "worst" Vergil out there right now.
oh no...
ohhh ewww
*rubs forehead*
Let us just hope that a good five or so get knocked out before top eight. It'd be hilarious if it ended up being another 7/8 or 6/8 in top eight.
Berserker Barrage is definitely bad, but not terrible. In my mind, if there are several assists that do the same job, but much, much better, then it's a bad assist. Certainly, you'll have some differences in assists (all of the beams are very different, but useful), but there's no reason you would include Wolverine on your team unless you wanted to use Wolverine, if you follow me.Karst, I think you need to decide whether to play Firebrand or Dormammu and build the team around them. Unless you're having more fun than you would with anything else.
Berserker barrage isn't a bad assist, by the way. It might not have any cool properties, but it keeps them standing like Iron Man's beam, which is good for a lot of characters like Wesker or Iron Fist.
Oh yeah, there are a lot more bad assist characters with EASY solutions.Karst you are right to some extent but those characters are held back more by execution than assists.
Wolverine and Zero are prominent even now because their execution requirement is far less and they are strong point characters. If people feel that the characters are up there if you make a team around them then people will use them more. Right now people just don't think Viper and Firebrand are worth that investment... hence being not that popular.
Also you can add Spider Man to that list. Crap assists on him as well. I think Storm has absolutely garbage assists too but her DHC is strong enough to be put on teams for that because that wins matches. Nemesis has average assists too.. he is pretty much a point character.
Honestly Iron Man has 2 great assists but you don't see him on teams because he is held back both by tools, safety/synergy of DHC options and execution requirement. If he was easier to play or he had better DHC options people would use him more because he would be easier to fit in teams. Assist selection isn't the only tool to consider in team synergies.
I figure it should have some solid startup to go with it, just like the point move.Charged Voomerang would be crazy unless it had tons of start up.
Haha, level 3 buster shot for Zero would just be ludicrous! Round Trip for Vergil seems fine, though.Web Throw would be really nice to have. Swiss Cheese and Optic Blast too but if charged moves are available for assists... give me fucking Round Trip of Vergil and Buster shot of Zero too.
Why not? Plenty of characters have moves for their assists that don't even exist at all for them on point. Plenty of characters have modified versions of their normal moves as assists, too. I would think of it like this: while you're using Dormammu you make an intelligent decision about where to place Purification. So why wouldn't Dormammu, when called as an assist, make an intelligent decision about where to place Purification? It's actually rather silly, when you think about it, that he only uses Purification L.Why would Dorm have tracking Purification if his on point version doesn't track? He's either going to have LMH Purification. I like Power of Destruction assist and Dark Matter though, those would be good assists to have.
Definitely.Skrull should have his M or L Tenderizer. The H Tenderizer makes him too vulnerable sometimes.
I feel like that might be too strong. Amaterasu used to have Cold Stars L for her assist, but it was just too much. Trigger Happy lasts longer enough that it would be a full screen horizontal pinning attack.Deadpool should have his L/M Trigger Happy special.
Definitely.Nova should have Energy Javelin assist.
I think her Boulder assist is underrated. Unlike the point version, it goes full-screen, and it has 10 durability points, which means it beats out every other projectile assist in this game AFAIK. During the startup, it also absorbs projectiles, so it won't lose in a firefight.Tron... just needs a really good assist although not Gustaff good.
I wouldn't put Hulk there - he scares me even when he's alone with the buffed Gamma Charge, now. Haggar should have a barrel/pipe toss, and Iron Fist should just get to use his dragon kick whenever he wants.I can keep on going on this. Also a lot of characters in this game have good assists but are natural point characters like Haggar, Iron Fist and Hulk so it's a major dilemma trying to fit into a team because they are only optimum on point and then you can't really make use of their assists all that well.
No doubt.For sure. But like you say, there's no vacuum for these things, the fact that it's attached to a good character is important.
I think my team has a ton of synergy...it's just that it's all via Morrigan, haha.Good on you for sticking with your shit, I'm just lucky my favorite characters Wesker and Magneto are as good as they are.
The best way to know an assist is bad is if its sole value is in combo extension. OTG assists need to be OTG + "something else" to be good. Like hitting low.everyone should just be given an otg assist.
everyone is happy!
The assist call has to be really tight because if you are either in the air holding up/back or in block stun the command grab would not work. They can be set ups and resets made that make use of it but due to poor range they won't be used that much anyway. People thought Zangief's command grab was godly month 1 of MVC2 but then they realized that the game is meant to be played more in the air than on the ground crouch blocking.
I don't follow.There's nothing funny about ouroboros.
I tried so hard to integrate Firebrand into my team before I decided to quit the game. The fact that he had an OTG assist that was slow nearly drove me insane when I saw Wesker right there with his stupid little pistol.I don't think Firebrand will ever become a top character in usage for one reason: his assists blow. There's a good reason characters like Zero, Firebrand, and C. Viper don't see a lot of high level play, and it's not just that they are difficult to use...
...it's that their assists all suck.
Everyone loves a team with a lot of synergy. By including a "point only" character, you're automatically limiting yourself in team synergy. Let's check this team out:
Shuma-Gorath/Taskmaster/Felicia.
Taskmaster has Aim Master L, which is great for Shuma-Gorath and Felicia.
Shuma-Gorath as Mystic Ray, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.
Felicia has Rolling Buckler, which is great for Taskmaster and Felicia.
Taskmaster doesn't need projectile support, so it's cool if Shuma-Gorath dies. He just needs help opening people up, and Felicia's awesome low hitting assist helps him with that. If you DHC Shuma-Gorath to Taskmaster, things aren't quite as great if Taskmaster dies, but you can DHC all three characters and still have a really functional team. If someone snaps Felicia in because unblockables irritate them or they don't want to deal with anchor Felicia, they're probably going to regret it.
In other words, this team functions on multiple levels.
My team, Firebrand/Dormammu/Morrigan, is a fun team, but the synergy outside of Dark Harmonizer is ass because Firebrand and Dormammu both have no great assists. If I were to replace Dormammu with any projectile assist in this game, my team would be stronger just because Firebrand has options since he is no longer being crippled by Dormammu's bad assists. In fact, in every single Dormammu team I make, I cringe a bit whenever I realize that I could make the team stronger in terms of synergy by removing him.
So, let's look at the assists of the character usage among top 16:
8 Wesker - Samurai Edge; relaunch and unblockables
4 Doom - duh
4 Wolverine - bad assists, but Berserker Barrage can provide some pinning at least
3 Magneto - EM Disruptor, one of the best projectiles in the game
3 Zero - bad assists unless buffed via Sougenmu
2 Amaterasu - Cold Stars, arguably the best pinning assist in the game
2 Akuma - Tatsu
2 Dormammu - Dark Hole is the least terrible
2 Phoenix - not worth risking the call, but TK Overdrive is actually really good
2 Strider - Vajra
2 Taskmaster - Aim Master L
1 Dante - Jam Session / Weasel Shot
1 Dr. Strange - all 3 are situationally good
1 Captain America - Shield Slash and Charging Star
1 Chris - Gun Fire
1 Frank West - Shopping Cart
1 Hawkeye - Arrows
1 Hsien-Ko - Senpu Bu
1 Iron Fist - Dragon Kick (yeah I don't know the name)
1 Nemesis - Clothesline Rocket
1 Sentinel - all are solid, but Sentinel Force is obviously the best
1 Spencer - Wire Grapple M is so good
1 Storm - Whirlwind H - not the best assist, but it's not bad
1 Trish - Peekaboo and Low Voltage H
1 Vergil - Rapid Slash
Notice, outside of a handful of these characters, that all of them offer some good horizontal coverage in some form. A lot of these characters don't lack good, potential assist moves, either.
Easy changes to give characters with crappy assists at least one good option:
Wolverine - Swiss Cheese
C. Viper - Optic Blast
Dormammu - he needs a complete rework; assists should be Dark Matter, tracking Purification a la Blackheart, and Power of the Destructor
Super-Skrull: Tenderizer L and Meteor Smash (tracking....lol, that would be hilarious)
Firebrand: Hell Spitfire L should replace one of his two Demon Missile assists; he might be in need of a custom assist, like Frank West
And I bet that when I listed my teams, aside from maybe Firebrand, you already knew what assists were being used. I think this is telling.
Some extra bitching:
Out of all 12 new characters, Firebrand is the only one without a good assist!
They should just buff all the current OTG assists so they are actually useful. I'm tired of Capcom protecting top tiers like they will be nerfed to shit by other characters being good.everyone should just be given an otg assist.
everyone is happy!
+1 for command grab assists. We want those in this game please.
Seth Killian said:Speaking frankly, throw assists can cause a lot of technical problems and bugs. We’ve also found they can be hard to make effective (especially as assists) because of how they require the opponent to be at a specific range AND free from both hit and blockstun to grab, but I personally think it's an area that could be explored further.
That's fucking BULL SHIT. The corner reset OS from this would be completely stupid.I don't see what's so crazy about letting them grab in the air and on the ground simultaneously.
So where does this leave MK9, BlazBlue and KOF?http://twitter.com/#!/JWonggg/status/148293488549703681
About SCR and Mahvel specifically.
OT: Hey Shaowebb what happened with your mantises? That thread was such a laugh.
Skullgirls custom assist option is looking mighty fine right about now...
So where does this leave MK9, BlazBlue and KOF?
No idea. Guess UMvC3 was more hype and bringing in more views than AE.
LOL. Wonder if Capcom is getting a little salty now. There star child may get outshown by the black sheep.
That's the one thing I wanted the most from MVC3 coming from MVC2.Skullgirls custom assist option is looking mighty fine right about now...
If they didn't give a shit after MK9 they will definitely not give a shit now.LOL. Wonder if Capcom is getting a little salty now. There star child may get outshown by the black sheep.
I think AE tends to be much less hype without international players. Makes me wonder how absurd Marvel would be if it had more of an international scene.