Mr Touchdown
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Stunning realization.
Thor >>> Iron Man.
Edit: been trying to use Iron Man, but Thor is just leagues better.
Thor >>> Iron Man.
Edit: been trying to use Iron Man, but Thor is just leagues better.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT| of 9 Years Urley
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I adore Flash' Modok. He just seems so much better at hit confirming and not doing the stupid things that gets the other MODOKS killed.
Mr Touchdown
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Captain America sees his fair share of use as does Hulk, albeit not nearly as much as Clint.
We definitely need more Thor and Iron Man players though. Iron Man needs a lot of help though.
I think Mike Ross can blow it up with either Hulk or Thor in a proper team and prep time + high level match experience + serious mind set. He has those read making capabilities that can allow him to get hits in situations where other people might not be able to with those characters.
Mike's Hulk/Thor aren't even 20% of what those characters are capable of in a proper team. If you watch someone like Sinister/Renegade play Hulk it's the craziest thing ever... you have no idea what to do against that. Try to zone? Hulk gets in with Gamma Charge + assists, then he breaks you. Try to rushdown? Hulk uses his armor, you get killed. Try to play defensively and hold up/back? Get grabbed or command throw, OTG Ankle Slice from X-23 into character kill. Try to pressurize with assists? HEY YO happy birthday with Gamma Charge into X factor j.S 2 characters dead in a blink of an eye. Press a button? That's exactly what Hulk wants you to do. The availability of an OTG assist makes sure that Hulk kills off every touch which is integral to his scare factor.
Thor is more technical and essentially requires that he be in the air at all times. Thor on the ground is not good at all but he has some options. The charged Mighty Strike buff is so good now. Air X factor is a great boost to Thor in general thanks to air XFC -> air command throw on chicken blocks. It's all about learning his better combos, hit confirms from mighty strikes (which is his best move for pretty much everything), moving around with him and developing resets for those crucial moments. The command throw range is also a good plus. Mighty Punish is one of Thor's best defensive options on the ground, one that he needed greatly.
Marn played Captain America for a small time, did basic stuff with him and performed much better than he had thus far in UMVC3.
Mike's Hulk/Thor aren't even 20% of what those characters are capable of in a proper team. If you watch someone like Sinister/Renegade play Hulk it's the craziest thing ever... you have no idea what to do against that. Try to zone? Hulk gets in with Gamma Charge + assists, then he breaks you. Try to rushdown? Hulk uses his armor, you get killed. Try to play defensively and hold up/back? Get grabbed or command throw, OTG Ankle Slice from X-23 into character kill. Try to pressurize with assists? HEY YO happy birthday with Gamma Charge into X factor j.S 2 characters dead in a blink of an eye. Press a button? That's exactly what Hulk wants you to do. The availability of an OTG assist makes sure that Hulk kills off every touch which is integral to his scare factor.
Thor is more technical and essentially requires that he be in the air at all times. Thor on the ground is not good at all but he has some options. The charged Mighty Strike buff is so good now. Air X factor is a great boost to Thor in general thanks to air XFC -> air command throw on chicken blocks. It's all about learning his better combos, hit confirms from mighty strikes (which is his best move for pretty much everything), moving around with him and developing resets for those crucial moments. The command throw range is also a good plus. Mighty Punish is one of Thor's best defensive options on the ground, one that he needed greatly.
That was his troll team to use the Captain America infinite on fools. It was hilarious to watch. He also had Skrull on anchor which was crazy.
Marn played Captain America for a small time, did basic stuff with him and performed much better than he had thus far in UMVC3.
For IM to succeed it has to be with the dedication that Clockwork gives to his character with that level of execution and hit confirm skills. People respect Clockwork because he sticks to his characters and believes in them through thick or thin. Right now no one believes in IM the same way.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
The reason I play Thor is because I saw Mike Ross do one of his Mighty Hurricane resets on Marvelous Adventures... Yeah I know Mike Ross, but for that one moment Thor looked amazing to me.
"God's Beard!"
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I won't comment on tiers, but Unibeam will always mean Iron Man is more useful than Thor. Thor is really, really bad from every standpoint.
- The initial spark on his beam is only 1 low durability
- beam is too slow, can be ducked and doesn't have many active frames(60 frames startup, 15 active on H) making the massive durability(25 on H version wtf) pointless
- All his super armor moves take half a second to gain it
- Mighty Strike still too slow to break through projectiles on reaction
- grounded mighty strike is minus on block making it gross
- H command grab doesn't have range to beat most xfactor guard cancels
- needs to be babysat by assists
- is slow as fuck and his normals suck balls meaning he can't at least play footsies like other bad characters
- Mighty Punish is pretty much his only good move
I mean sure, he's got cool resets, but so does Wesker and Wesker actually works with other characters. His high health doesn't make up for his shortcomings, and his high damage is irrelevant.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Up to 96% of the cards. I think the only 4 I'm missing are Serpent, Captain Commando, Miles Edgeworth, and Batsu.
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i love thor, but he's not that great. i hate iron man, and he's just extremely awkward to use. if i were being biased i'd say thor is better than iron man, but everyone around here loves iron man for some reason so i won't try to debate against iron man being better than thor.
thor can be awesome with the right team though. he actually makes a great battery because his resets are pretty deadly. he's still slow and has a hard time getting in, but if the opponent ends up in the corner, his corner lockdown is pretty scary.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Oh man just played against a Felicia player that knew what they were doing. Air Delta kick makes it feel like she's got control over the whole screen except for superjump height.That with something like drones is so annoying. Trying hit hit Sent worked every other time, I'd just get Delta kicked for it.
No, he's got the COOLEST rests.
No, he's got the COOLEST rests.
"God's Beard!"
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No way, Filipino Champ's Dormammu reset that he did against Justin Wong was the coolest.
And yeah, Delta Kick rules. Felicia/Spiderman/Sentinel, SON. I'd actually work on that team if I felt like learning another 3 characters, lol
I'm finally starting to go in on Viper... her damage is fucking retarded for such easy to execute combos. Execution-heavy relative to someone like Wesker, sure, but still Gerber-Baby enough that they shouldn't reward so much damage. Why does Capcom love this character so much?
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Maybe "Gerber-Baby"'s an exaggerration but this character does too much damage. Sitting next to a character like Chun, it makes zero sense.
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Maybe "Gerber-Baby"'s an exaggerration but this character does too much damage. Sitting next to a character like Chun, it makes zero sense.
Unconditional
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Well TK knuckle cancels were more difficult to do in vanilla. They made them way easier in ultimate and Ive never missed the cancel since. Thats where her big damage boost come from now. My problem with her is Gettin the hit and confirming. That and not using all her tools. Big one is the FA.
Her normals suck and trying to get the hit on someone like zero without being out prioritized is pretty rough.
ihearthawthats
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why wouldn't you cancel it anyways? it leaves you at frame advantage?
her normals do suck, thats why you need to zone with seismo or even bks/tks to convince them to block first. if they start taking it to the air instead to avoid all that, her air throw is no joke. of course, a lockdown assist helps greatly.
"God's Beard!"
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Don't forget about dash S xx seismo when you play footsies.
Unconditional
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Oh I always cancel the TK. I'm saying in general to open them up and get any hit to start any combo. More of a fundamentals thing on my part but her normals don't really help. I just suck at fighting games but enjoy playing them.
No he isn't, he is fairly good. Much better than IM. He has better rushdown than IM... I am dead serious.
LOL Thor projectile game. I didn't even bother bringing it up because the notion of projectiles on Thor is a novelty. Yet it exists but it's rather pointless to his game plan.
Mighty Strike is easily his best move. No one uses Mighty Strike on the ground and even then they will charge it. You have enough opportunities to charge in with Mighty Strike especially with assists back up. If they see you charge up Mighty Strike you can always release early to catch them off guard. A Thor not using Mighty Strikes properly isn't even a Thor player.
So? Use M command grab then it will still beat out most stuff. In the air it's rather easy to air XF against chicken block with command throw. This is still an option that many characters don't even have not to mention that he is the only character who can do this thing in the air.
So does most of the cast especially ALL of the heavies and even hard rushdown characters like Wolverine. Doesn't make them any less threatening. IM needs more baby sitting than Thor. In fact I can't think of anything other than Sentinel drones that helps out IM.
Still faster than IM especially his tri-dash. He's not a footsie character at all... I don't know how you play Thor because footsies is not what he does at all. IM technically is one of the best footsie characters in the game because that's what he was designed to be... yeah that's working out great for him.
I didn't see anything here that puts IM above Thor. I would much rather play Thor on point than IM. I only play IM because of character loyalty. On my team there isn't even much value from that type of beam due to heavy scaling... I would much rather have Disruptor instead for Teleport mix ups.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Just TK the Mighty Strike.
Bums is streaming with Basic Sausage.
been running a set for a while
Hulk, Phoenix Wright, Rocket Raccoon vs. Nemesis, Arthur, Spencer
Really nice technology for "low tiers"
http://www.twitch.tv/bum1six3
been running a set for a while
Hulk, Phoenix Wright, Rocket Raccoon vs. Nemesis, Arthur, Spencer
Really nice technology for "low tiers"
http://www.twitch.tv/bum1six3
"God's Beard!"
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Wolverine doesn't need to be babysat by assists, it just makes him safer. He's perfectly fine by himself.
And who cares if his rushdown is better than Iron Man's? That's not where Iron Man makes his money. I don't even think it is.
Of course it's his best special. It's what I complained about other Thor players for not using back in Vanilla. It's just that it's like a second air dash instead of the cleaving tool that it needs to be. The fact that you realize it needs assists only proves that. What happens when your 900k drones assist gets killed by a beam hyper? What's Thor's backup plan? He doesn't have one. Without assists, Iron Man can still play the chip game at mid range and dash cancel j2H to get in and start a high/low/throw mixup. Not to mention that Iron Man's resets are just as good as Thor's.
aka almost good.
And who cares if his rushdown is better than Iron Man's? That's not where Iron Man makes his money. I don't even think it is.
Of course it's his best special. It's what I complained about other Thor players for not using back in Vanilla. It's just that it's like a second air dash instead of the cleaving tool that it needs to be. The fact that you realize it needs assists only proves that. What happens when your 900k drones assist gets killed by a beam hyper? What's Thor's backup plan? He doesn't have one. Without assists, Iron Man can still play the chip game at mid range and dash cancel j2H to get in and start a high/low/throw mixup. Not to mention that Iron Man's resets are just as good as Thor's.
aka almost good.
ihearthawthats
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my memory is fuzzy, but were you not one of the people who said iron man was a-tier a while back?
i think its actually a really good tool. it covers a lot of space, and it leaves you at hella frame advantage which is much needed since he's so slow.
spamming mighty strike is too predictable, so its good to mix it up with his mighty spark once in a while. i think its pretty pointless to say that mighty spark comes out too slow, its not like mighty strike or his tridash are exactly fast (especially if you're going to be charging it up).
"God's Beard!"
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Are these the only prejectile-negating assists? I'm trying to find a good psylocke.
Tatsumaki Zankuukyaku
Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Mighty Strike
Charging Star
Reflector
weird, I figured gravimetric pulse would be one, nope. 9 points.
Tatsumaki Zankuukyaku
Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Mighty Strike
Charging Star
Reflector
weird, I figured gravimetric pulse would be one, nope. 9 points.
ihearthawthats
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not exactly sure since i haven't even touched the assist, but henkyo-ki? although, it'd seem awfully wierd to pick that over senpu ba.
"God's Beard!"
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Ok, so far Charging Star and Akuma are the best. Both travel the same distance. Charging star's active frames start up a LOT faster, but Akuma is a little harder to punish. About to test hurt box differences.
Oh weird, I thought it did in Denjin mode. Guess not.
Oh weird, I thought it did in Denjin mode. Guess not.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Replusor Blast can take out fireballs but not beams
MiniBossBattle
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I am so bad at this game.
sixteen-bit
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What are you struggling with?
"God's Beard!"
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Ok, so it seems about what I expected. Charging Star has a slightly better vertical hitbox, and tatsu has a slightly better horizontal one. It's easy to punish Tatsu from above, especially with divekicks or a great jS, and although Charging star can be hit by the same moves, is much quicker so it's harder to connect. Unfortunately, Charging star is INCREDIBLY unsafe on block, so you need to protect it harder than tatsu. This probably makes charging star almost completely useless for characters that can't cross up easily. Both do about the same chip damage.
So basically it comes down to this: Charging Star works better on reaction and for combos(fewer hits and soft knockdown), but tatsu is much safer and has a longer hit confirm, making it the better overall assist.
Ah, forgot about that one. It's actually a really, really good assist.
edit: I forgot about rocks, I guess that counts since the barrier is 25 points. could be an interesting expansion assist for the right team, it lasts a fucking long time.
So basically it comes down to this: Charging Star works better on reaction and for combos(fewer hits and soft knockdown), but tatsu is much safer and has a longer hit confirm, making it the better overall assist.
Ah, forgot about that one. It's actually a really, really good assist.
edit: I forgot about rocks, I guess that counts since the barrier is 25 points. could be an interesting expansion assist for the right team, it lasts a fucking long time.
MiniBossBattle
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I dunno, I need to practice combos and find a way to deal with dante's & vergil's teleports. Its demoralizing to whiff a move and have my character die but that this kind of game.
OH
MY
FUCKING
GOD
1 HOUR 18 MINUTES OF CHRIS G VS COMBOFIEND!!!!!!!
MERRY MOTHERFUCKING MARVEL CHRISTMAS GAF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sQS7w0x4PAs
5 minutes in so far. Look for Gimlet+Spencer assist to combo into each other and pull Firebrand out of the air. GODLIKE.
Also: Hawkeye lv3 X-Factor mirror match is fucking hilarious.
MY
FUCKING
GOD
1 HOUR 18 MINUTES OF CHRIS G VS COMBOFIEND!!!!!!!
MERRY MOTHERFUCKING MARVEL CHRISTMAS GAF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sQS7w0x4PAs
5 minutes in so far. Look for Gimlet+Spencer assist to combo into each other and pull Firebrand out of the air. GODLIKE.
Also: Hawkeye lv3 X-Factor mirror match is fucking hilarious.
Damn, I wish there was player audio.
Karsticles
Member
Ironically, Tron Bonne, and she should have been your Psylocke in Vanilla.
Burning Water
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DOG. This shit is cray.
What she order?
HOLY SHIT
MERRY CHRISTMAS GAF!
Calling Spencer assist right before Gimlet.. omfg.
EDIT: DAT HAWKEYE MIRROR MATCH
"God's Beard!"
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Fukken Tron, man. Too bad she doesn't move forward, I would have used her just for the high health and damage. I wish Bonne Strike H was an assist.
Yeah I did for vanilla. I still think he is A- tier in vanilla. I think he's B- tier in Ultimate.
Before I was making the case for IM that he's still good/playable/viable which I still think he is.
I have just had a bad day with IM. Missing hit confirms, getting stuffed during air dashes, getting out prioritized from underneath me with superior anti-airs, frustrated by zoning. The breaking point was when I missed Smart Bomb into Iron Avenger because of the reduced hit stun from Smart Bombs after long combos. And it was on a Wesker too.
Where does IM make his money from? Cuz I am hella broke with him right now. Please don't say footsies.
Depends on the match up and how much meter he has and X Factor. Without meter/X Factor, he can't convert off of anything and his B Slash is unsafe so he becomes a dud at that situation. Thank fully in live matches he usually has something to work with and most teams put him at the front where he belongs.
OH SNAPS CHRIS G VS COMBOFIEND! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
I am so happy I get to watch this when I get home.
Burning Water
Neo Member
Fish fillet?
So I had a team of Iron Fist/Storm/Iron Man, and I decided to put Iron Man away. Gave up trying to figure him out, or maybe I did and he's just cheeks in this game. Went with IF/Thor/Storm, and I love it so far. I also took Iron Man off my Hawkeye/Ryu team. He was in the back with Unibeam, and I want a replacement with a good horizontal assist. I'm thinking Dante. Any other suggestions?
EDIT: Jesus, it's fucking disgusting how good Combofiend is. That whole team's tech... I don't even...
YOOOO WHIP SOOO COOOOLD
JeTmAn81
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A dizzying array of mixups from Combofiend in that match. He nearly had a perfect on Chris G.
Seriously, these matches are so fucking entertaining to watch. Dat Donkey kick at 15:40.
It's two players, both arguably the best on their coasts going at it, both with unrelenting yet intelligent styles of play with the sickest hit confirms, both with unique, non-fraudulent teams. This is prime Marvel stuff right here.
"God's Beard!"
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no wonder combofiend is so good. he invites everybody over to his house and downloads them! probably feeds them roscoes beforehand.
Them Complexity dollars going to a good cause.
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