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Undertale |OT| Indie RPG with determination and spider bake sales

A friend of mine who's apparently friends with the backer in question saw me posting in this thread and linked me to a blogpost* of theirs about the subject where yeah, seems like they got shit thrown their way but despite that they're still happy they were able to support the game? I still have mixed feelings about the situation but I'm kinda wishing I simply hadn't brought it up the other day now.



*The blog isn't SFW so I'm not linking it.
 

dity

Member
The furry community is generally pretty cool. I'd probably count as a furry already if I had any idea what my fursona would be and I could art. I am stuck as furry-curious. Yes, that's now a thing. As of now.

Something I like dabout Undertale is that it didn't do the usual
"aha the mastermind was a human just like you!"
that I'm so used to seeing in these human in another world stories.
 

JC Sera

Member
The furry community is generally pretty cool. I'd probably count as a furry already if I had any idea what my fursona would be and I could art. I am stuck as furry-curious. Yes, that's now a thing. As of now.

Something I like about Undertale is that it didn't do the usual
"aha the mastermind was a human just like you!"
Do you have to have a fursona to be a furry?
I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff
I like monster girls, but thats about it
 
I have literally nothing against the guy being a furry or whatever mind you, but I do consider that stuff inherently fetishy and given how much Toby hid away the character's inclusion compared to the other two KS bosses (and I'll agree So Sorry at least has an actual design/scenario compared to whatever 'Glyde' is) it feels like he wasn't very comfortable with the inclusion either. Unless the backer outright requested they be hidden in that fashion, in which case Toby may not have given a shit and I'm looking way too into this.

Throwing it out there since somebody mentioned to me ZONE's cameo in a recent-ish Skullgirls update, if Undertale was either their game or ripe with kink stuff already I'd feel way less mixed about it. ZONE isn't too weird in SG since that game already has a ton of fan-service. Undertale in comparison at most has a knight take off his suit of armor and intentionally goofy and innocuous dating minigames.
 

Salbug

Member
Do you have to have a fursona to be a furry?
I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff
I like monster girls, but thats about it

I don't consider it a requirement considering I consider myself one yet I don't have the patience to learn how to draw, or be artistic in any way. Then again that's just me. I don't know how everyone else goes about it.
 

dity

Member
Do you have to have a fursona to be a furry?
I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff
I like monster girls, but thats about it
I've never actually asked my furry friends. I just kind of assumed it was a pre-req.

Monsters are great. The monster designs in this game were amazing for me.

I have literally nothing against the guy being a furry or whatever mind you, but I do consider that stuff inherently fetishy and given how much Toby hid away the character's inclusion compared to the other two KS bosses (and I'll agree So Sorry at least has an actual design/scenario compared to whatever 'Glyde' is) it feels like he wasn't very comfortable with the inclusion either. Unless the backer outright requested they be hidden in that fashion, in which case Toby may not have given a shit and I'm looking way too into this.

That doesn't make sense to me since So Sorry isn't doing fetish things in the game. I mean sure if you look up the character's original name or the backer you might find fetish content... but you can find the same for pretty much every Undertale girl now.
There's even Muffet porn right there in Google Images
 

PSqueak

Banned
Do you have to have a fursona to be a furry?
I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff
I like monster girls, but thats about it

Well depends on who you ask, some people would tell you that having a fursona is a requirement because then you identify as one, while other people would tell you that basically feeling attracted to anthropomorphic drawn animals is enough to be branded a furry.
certain crowds here in gaf are extremely judgy like that.
But i think in the end it's about how you feel.
 

JC Sera

Member
I have literally nothing against the guy being a furry or whatever mind you, but I do consider that stuff inherently fetishy and given how much Toby hid away the character's inclusion compared to the other two KS bosses (and I'll agree So Sorry at least has an actual design/scenario compared to whatever 'Glyde' is) it feels like he wasn't very comfortable with the inclusion either. Unless the backer outright requested they be hidden in that fashion, in which case Toby may not have given a shit and I'm looking way too into this.

Throwing it out there since somebody mentioned to me ZONE's cameo in a recent-ish Skullgirls update, if Undertale was either their game or ripe with kink stuff already I'd feel way less mixed about it. ZONE isn't too weird in SG since that game already has a ton of fan-service. Undertale in comparison at most has a knight take off his suit of armor and intentionally goofy and innocuous dating minigames.
Thats fair, I think toby did the best he could with what he had for the fight
Hiding it behind
a time change
might have been a little much imo. And
making killing him have no consequences, inciting from Sans "you didn't kill anyone important"
is a bit more over kill.

Also in
metatons
house there is a mention of a
human loving
club, where
MTT meets Alphys.
I think that might have been more apt than the art club thing to incorporate him in.

As a previous poster mentioned, making him
a dorky/geeky/otaku friend of alphys's would also fit.
 
i'll just leave it at "it's a lot of hubbub for something you'd have to go quite a bit out of your way to find and the cash raised through it served to benefit the project more than any time spent on it would detriment it"

also take note that he's in a different backer category than muffet and glyde are (literally "your fantroll will become canon") and that anything about it not counting as a death isn't true

i just personally think there's much more interesting things to talk about in regard to the game lol
 

PSqueak

Banned
Hiding it behind
a time change
might have been a little much imo. And
making killing him have no consequences, inciting from Sans "you didn't kill anyone important"
is a bit more over kill.

Rumor has it all of that was actually the backer's idea.
 

dity

Member
He might've just wanted So Sorry to be some ultra cool secret. The game already seems to have a ton. A boss that shows up on one day fits "super secret". Date might have a significance to the backer.
 

Capra

Member
Do you have to have a fursona to be a furry?
I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff
I like monster girls, but thats about it

I don't art (at least not recently) and I don't have a fursona or wear cool suits but I always consider anthro characters a plus in games/films/whathaveyou so I consider myself a furry.

You are what you feel you are, duder.
 
Rumor has it all of that was actually the backer's idea.
If it was then I'll go back on thinking it was something Toby apparently was paranoid about. Part of the issue is I wasn't involved with the KS so I don't really know what the tiers were, to the point where I didn't even realize there were KS bosses (Muffet is worked into the game's lore really well so I couldn't tell she was fan-made) until after I beat the game and was able to talk about Undertale without having to worry over spoilers. Still, So Sorry is insanely hidden away, even by Undertale standards, so if it was the backer's decision I'm guessing it's a reference to something?

Whatever, this conversation I helped start isn't going anywhere beyond more unwanted attention to the backer and should probably just go in the trash now and instead move onto skeleton erotica.
 

JC Sera

Member
If it was then I'll go back on thinking it was something Toby apparently was paranoid about. Part of the issue is I wasn't involved with the KS so I don't really know what the tiers were, to the point where I didn't even realize there were KS bosses (Muffet is worked into the game's lore really well so I couldn't tell she was fan-made) until after I beat the game and was able to talk about Undertale without having to worry over spoilers. Still, So Sorry is insanely hidden away, even by Undertale standards, so if it was the backer's decision I'm guessing it's a reference to something?

Whatever, this conversation I helped start isn't going anywhere beyond more unwanted attention to the backer and should probably just go in the trash now and instead move onto skeleton erotica.
https://soundcloud.com/egghedd/the-take-over-the-dates-over

I feel really sorry for muffet shes nearly catched up to toriel in amount of porn
and toriel had a 2 year head start
also
Some of the sans porn is super fucking creepy jesus christ
 

PSqueak

Banned
Lol at the "i don't art" excuse, like it was pointed here...


...Furries are extremely generous with their money and i can tell you i have been paid lots of times to draw non-artists' fursonas (and other non furry related personas, i funded my copy of Super Mario Maker this way!), sometimes even done it for free, it's not really hard to get someone to design some rad looking character for you, regardless of purpose.

https://soundcloud.com/egghedd/the-take-over-the-dates-over

I feel really sorry for muffet shes nearly catched up to toriel in amount of porn
and toriel had a 2 year head start
also
Some of the sans porn is super fucking creepy jesus christ

I have been avoiding UT porn, but i did see a semi lewd joke pic about Toriel trying to seduce Sans and he goes like "Lady, i have no organs, there is nothing down there to work with", i dunno why i laughed as hard.
 

dity

Member
Lol at the "i don't art" excuse, like it was pointed here...



...Furries are extremely generous with their money and i can tell you i have been paid lots of times to draw non-artists' fursonas (and other non furry related personas, i funded my copy of Super Mario Maker this way!), sometimes even done it for free, it's not really hard to get someone to design some rad looking character for you, regardless of purpose.
Calling it an excuse seems kinda mean... Like I've had ideas but it's embarrassing y'know like explaining a concept to a stranger with cash in hand it makes me anxious. It's like, it feels like a personal thing.
 

PSqueak

Banned
Calling it an excuse seems kinda mean... Like I've had ideas but it's embarrassing y'know like explaining a concept to a stranger with cash in hand it makes me anxious. It's like, it feels like a personal thing.

That is true, im sorry, but let me tell you, as a commission artist myself, most people (specially if you're aiming for furry communities) are super cool with all sort of weirdness, it's truly a very friendly community, nothing to be embarrassed about buddy.
 

dity

Member
That is true, im sorry, but let me tell you, as a commission artist myself, most people (specially if you're aiming for furry communities) are super cool with all sort of weirdness, it's truly a very friendly community, nothing to be embarrassed about buddy.
Maybe one day I'll have my partner sketch up a concept and have some other artists make some cool art based upon that.

To me a fursona is like giving yourself something rather permanent. Like a name. It's just that kind of thing to me. And I'm the kind of person who puts down the controller and goes to think with a cold drink when Harvest Moon asks "and what's your farm's name?" Hard decisions.

Aaannyyyyway, this is getting away from Undertale a bit lol.
 
Can anybody tell me about hard mode? I've heard it activates when
you name your character Frisk.

But what does it actually entail?
The ruins are buffed up in difficulty, but after
Toriel, annoying dog shows up and is like "yeah that's the end of hard mode"

You can watch it here
 

PSqueak

Banned
was about to say lol


Can anybody tell me about hard mode? I've heard it activates when
you name your character Frisk.

But what does it actually entail?

Harder enemies i think? but don't do it yet, Hard mode is not complete yet, it's implemented only up to the boss fight of the ruins, or so people are saying.
 

JC Sera

Member
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sorry for derailing the thread guys
 

DNAbro

Member
Harder enemies i think? but don't do it yet, Hard mode is not complete yet, it's implemented only up to the boss fight of the ruins, or so people are saying.

is it expected to be patched in later? curious cause i would like a harder challenge but don't really want to go through a genocide run.
 
is it expected to be patched in later? curious cause i would like a harder challenge but don't really want to go through a genocide run.

What's there is fun and worth playing. It's a remixed version of the game, just different enough to keep you entertained.

There's something else to look forward to in this mode but no I am not spoiling it srsly go play it.
 

Kirlia

Banned
Finished my first playthrough of Undertale.
I spared Flowey, but decided to start the game from the beginning anyhow, rather than seeing Alphys and gunning for the True Ending right away.

I strongly recommend a second playthrough (for True Ending, not to kill everyone) of the game after beating God Flowey. I've only gotten back to Snowdin, but there are already several differences, particularly in what the characters say to you, and it's a good chance to do stuff you missed. I finally got to pet the Lesser Dog all the way!

Also, I was really lucky not to die on God Flowey, and I know if you do, he usually laughs at you and shuts the game window, but has anyone died on the final part, where the other human SOULS have weakened Flowey's defense? Even though the human SOULs are giving you healing stuffs, is it possible to die at that point?
 

Dimmle

Member
So, boy, I'm on my second play-through (Mercy run) and this game just keeps delivering:

The entire Undyne hangout scene is maybe one of my favorite character moments in any game.
 

InfiniteNine

Rolling Girl
Any good LP's of the game anyone has been watching? I've been going through VoidBurger's Stream of it as she plays and it's pretty amusing with the last stream being cut short because she was laughing too much.
 

JC Sera

Member
Any good LP's of the game anyone has been watching? I've been going through VoidBurger's Stream of it as she plays and it's pretty amusing with the last stream being cut short because she was laughing too much.
Vine sauce Joel & Direboar
Jim Sterling did the first area/demo ruins
SBFP are starting one very soon
and doing a save toriel reset
its available on vessel now but that has a paywall
Undertale is special

We should make a new genre, "nice game", for this game to be categorized under
Can we go back in time
and just
make this a genre thats always existed
I feel like the game industry would suffer a lot less

I have been avoiding UT porn, but i did see a semi lewd joke pic about Toriel trying to seduce Sans and he goes like "Lady, i have no organs, there is nothing down there to work with", i dunno why i laughed as hard.
I've mainly run across it trawling /vg/ for reaction gifs, everything under a spoiler there is 50/40/10 actual spoiler/porn & spoiler/porn
that sans one was hilarious tho
 

Geg

Member
Well then. I (think I) just finished my first playthrough. I knew things were supposed to get crazy near the end but jesus christ
 

dickroach

Member
I hadn't heard about this game before I saw this thread, but this type of thing is right up my alley. EB is my favorite game ever (top 3 at least).

Played for just under 100 minutes (sure didn't feel like it), and got to Snowdin town. loving it so far. I'm still not sure I'm doing the right thing with the battling system (like, it lets you level up for a reason... but... should I? I dunno sitting at level 2), but I guess that's part of the intrigue, and the game's incredibly charming otherwise.
looking forward to the rest.
 

JC Sera

Member
I hadn't heard about this game before I saw this thread, but this type of thing is right up my alley. EB is my favorite game ever (top 3 at least).

Played for just under 100 minutes (sure didn't feel like it), and got to Snowdin town. loving it so far. I'm still not sure I'm doing the right thing with the battling system (like, it lets you level up for a reason... but... should I? I dunno sitting at level 2), but I guess that's part of the intrigue, and the game's incredibly charming otherwise.
looking forward to the rest.
I would get out of here until you fight the final boss
like people are covering their spoilers, but its better to do your first play through completely blind
 
I've mainly run across it trawling /vg/ for reaction gifs, everything under a spoiler there is 50/40/10 actual spoiler/porn & spoiler/porn
that sans one was hilarious tho
I tend to find /vg/'s a lot better at staying on topic at least. The regular /v/ threads for Undertale have already turned to mostly shitposting, either of the porn spam or MEMERTALE complaint variety.
 

Geg

Member
I have a question before I continue forward to get the "better" ending:
The only things I killed in my first playthrough were the dummy at the very beginning, and Toriel which I reset and fixed. I was worried that might not count towards an actual pacifist run since the game knows I killed Toriel and save scummed, and it later turned out that dummy had a ghost inside it. But when Sans confronted me he said I never earned any EXP or LOVE and didn't fight me. So does that mean it was still basically a pacifist run and those early "kills" don't count?
 

GSR

Member
I have a question before I continue forward to get the "better" ending:
The only things I killed in my first playthrough were the dummy at the very beginning, and Toriel which I reset and fixed. I was worried that might not count towards an actual pacifist run since the game knows I killed Toriel and save scummed, and it later turned out that dummy had a ghost inside it. But when Sans confronted me he said I never earned any EXP or LOVE and didn't fight me. So does that mean it was still basically a pacifist run and those early "kills" don't count?

Any kills you made and then resetted aren't counted in Sans' judgment. And I believe the dummy at the beginning is also considered free to fight without consequence.
 
I have a question before I continue forward to get the "better" ending:
The only things I killed in my first playthrough were the dummy at the very beginning, and Toriel which I reset and fixed. I was worried that might not count towards an actual pacifist run since the game knows I killed Toriel and save scummed, and it later turned out that dummy had a ghost inside it. But when Sans confronted me he said I never earned any EXP or LOVE and didn't fight me. So does that mean it was still basically a pacifist run and those early "kills" don't count?
Save scumming out of a kill doesn't really matter if in your current run the character still isn't dead. I don't think the first dummy counts either way since I killed it accidentally on my first run and still got my way up to the pacifist ending. Plus I think that later dummy ghost fights you no matter what?
 

dity

Member
Finished my first playthrough of Undertale.
I spared Flowey, but decided to start the game from the beginning anyhow, rather than seeing Alphys and gunning for the True Ending right away.

I strongly recommend a second playthrough (for True Ending, not to kill everyone) of the game after beating God Flowey. I've only gotten back to Snowdin, but there are already several differences, particularly in what the characters say to you, and it's a good chance to do stuff you missed. I finally got to pet the Lesser Dog all the way!

Also, I was really lucky not to die on God Flowey, and I know if you do, he usually laughs at you and shuts the game window, but has anyone died on the final part, where the other human SOULS have weakened Flowey's defense? Even though the human SOULs are giving you healing stuffs, is it possible to die at that point?
I assumed you had to die on God Flowey since it seemed to advance the fight and not dying in certain sections seemed pretty impossible. There's also unique dialogue when you start the game back up each time too.
 

dickroach

Member
I would get out of here until you fight the final boss
like people are covering their spoilers, but its better to do your first play through completely blind
the first line on the Steam description of the game game mentions (what I think I accidentally had read what is) the final boss.
but yeah, im done reading. just wanted to give my first impressions.

edit: the first line of the PCGamer review on the top of Undertow's Steam page at least.
 

Kirlia

Banned
I assumed you had to die on God Flowey since it seemed to advance the fight and not dying in certain sections seemed pretty impossible. There's also unique dialogue when you start the game back up each time too.

I'm pretty sure you can't die during the SOUL attacks (the knife, gloves, shoes, notebook, frying pan, gun), but I wondered if it was possible to die after all the SOULs heal you and reduce Flowey's defense to zero. Sure, they give you healing items during the last phase, but Flowey's attacks seem to hit harder as well, so it seems possible to die.
 

dity

Member
I'm pretty sure you can't die during the SOUL attacks (the knife, gloves, shoes, notebook, frying pan, gun), but I wondered if it was possible to die after all the SOULs heal you and reduce Flowey's defense to zero. Sure, they give you healing items during the last phase, but Flowey's attacks seem to hit harder as well, so it seems possible to die.
I did die after the Souls help you. You're fairly invincible until he starts loading up Save File 6, and then it became possible for me to die again.
 
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