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[The Artful Dodger]

I can see people guessing Tyrion will kill Tywin eventually, in fact the no spoilers thread features many who believe that. But I doubt anyone will guess Shae's involvement. It'll be a mind fuck.

I could see them also guessing Jaime saving him. I think the whole thing overall will be a holy shit moment.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I can see people guessing Tyrion will kill Tywin eventually, in fact the no spoilers thread features many who believe that. But I doubt anyone will guess Shae's involvement. It'll be a mind fuck.

Agreed. It's pretty obvious that all three of the Lannister children don't like Tywin, so it won't be a surprise that one of them ends up killing him

Shae is the shocker; I totally wasn't expecting her to turn on Tyrion like she did during the trial and when she's found in Tywin's bed.

 

[PFD]

"Wherever whores go..."

Can't wait for that line

 

[Red Arremer]

The biggest shocker is the way Tywin is offed, though.

I wonder if they will interview Charles Dance afterwards and ask him how it felt shooting a scene where his character's son kills him while he's taking a dump.

 

[Speevy]

This show has some silliness going on sometimes. They basically reshot the scene when Shae comes into Tyrion's room, only this time he didn't sleep with her.

I guess they didn't trust the audience to remember that Tyrion didn't want to be seen with her?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I hope they get Tyrion to say the "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold" line.

 

[Red Arremer]

I hope they get Tyrion to say the "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold" line.

It would be an injustice if they didn't.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

He's as good as dead next episode, baby! Final shot will probably be Cersei pointing at Tyrion and saying he did it and showing Tyrion's "oh shit" face.

Is it wrong that I am as excited about the Twitter explosion for Joff's death as I am for his actual on-screen death? XD

Likely a historical/past vision of the white lion Drogo hunts; he gave its pelt to Dany.

Agreed, I think that's what the white lion means too.

 

[Corpsepyre]

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There are press reviews of the first three episodes. Joff dies in EP 2

Can you point me in the direction of the ones with spoilers? Want to read whats up.

 

[Fey]

I'm really curious to see whether the show watchers' opinion of Tyrion will change after he kills Shae and Tywin. I remember reading a lot of displeasure towards him by readers due to him becoming a "cold blooded murderer."

I also wonder how they'll end the next episode. Joff dying and Cersei ordering the guards to arrest Tyrion, or Littlefinger's (presumably) first appearance in the season and killing Dontos?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Can you point me in the direction of the ones with spoilers? Want to read whats up.

None of the reviews spoil it, as they're under NDAs. But we know the wedding is in ep 2 and Martin is writing it, which means Joff will die.

 

[Speevy]

It would be an injustice if they didn't.

Well, has anyone on the show ever implied that he does shit gold?

This show is nothing if not content to call back on earlier scenes.

 

[thequickandthedead]

Does anyone actually think that the Hound is dead for good? Every book reader i've talked to believes the theory about his survival.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Does anyone actually think that the Hound is dead for good? Every book reader i've talked to believes the theory about his survival.

I think he's alive. I didn't really take that as a very "out-there" theory.

 

[Kerned]

I hope they get Tyrion to say the "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold" line.

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?

I could see Bronn cracking that joke after the death....Or Tyrion looking at the camera breaking fourth wall and cracking the joke

Spoiler

Not really, but it's funny to imagine

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Well, has anyone on the show ever implied that he does shit gold?

This show is nothing if not content to call back on earlier scenes.

When Robb calls his banners. Something like "We'll find out if he really does shit gold."

Also he could say it to Varys when they leave?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?

Jaime helps him escape so he could use that as an aside to him:

"Our Lord father does not, in fact, shit gold".

Or something. I'm sure it can be done.

 

[FootballFan]

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?

He could say it to another character after the event.

 

[Kerned]

Jaime helps him escape so he could use that as an aside to him:

"Our Lord father does not, in fact, shit gold".

Or something. I'm sure it can be done.

Something along those lines could work, sure.

 

[Red Arremer]

Well, has anyone on the show ever implied that he does shit gold?

This show is nothing if not content to call back on earlier scenes.

I can see them dropping the line sometime during this season. There'll be more than enough opportunities to refer to the Lannisters' wealth.

When Robb calls his banners. Something like "We'll find out if he really does shit gold."

Oh yeah, Robb did say that.

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

I could see Bronn cracking that joke after the death....Or Tyrion looking at the camera breaking fourth wall and cracking the joke

Spoiler

Not really, but it's funny to imagine

Yeah, Bronn seems like a possible way to deliver the line, or they could have someone else but Tyrion say it. Something like 2 soldiers talking to each other and one of them saying "They say Lord Tywin was murdered on the privy. When the servants cleaned it out, they said that Lord Tywyn did, in fact, not shit gold." or something.

Edit: Yeah, Tyrion cracking the line towards Varys/Jamie also seems possible.

The line's too legendary to not have it happen, though. It's such a crass moment in the books.

 

[PhoenixDark]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

 

[Dabookerman]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

That would be fucking incredible. It needs to happen.

 

[Kerned]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

No, the narrator clearly needs to be Daniel Stern and then a Peter, Paul and Mary song plays as Tyrion slowly walks back to homeroom.

 

[TCRS]

finally watched it today. brilliant opening episode, though I have to say the Dornish are a bit too different for my taste. But oh well. Loved the Arya/Hound bit, they're always brilliant.

I can see people guessing Tyrion will kill Tywin eventually, in fact the no spoilers thread features many who believe that. But I doubt anyone will guess Shae's involvement. It'll be a mind fuck.

you know whenever I read this sort of stuff in no spoiler threads I'm pretty sure those people are book readers. How could you possibly guess from what has been shown so far that Tyrion would do that, that he would actually slay his own kin, his own father! It's such a stretch at this point.

 

[Faddy]

- Onion A|V Club's Internet Film School: Game Of Thrones cordially invites you to take a damn seat at the kiddie tableThis is a good feature that they do regularly, and it's worth a look if you're interested in why certain scenes are shot the way they are.

I think these ideas are intentional. Due to the nature of the show I think they storyboard the hell out of it and think about how the scene will look because they don't have time to mess about. I think they have shot Tywin this way multiple times, his eyeline above everyone else's even if he is seated.

I was rewatching this scene http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8lLIjpZn7w with Stannis and Shireen and you see the difference in how the camera is focused on Shireen at eyelevel when they begin their talk. In fact they are level with Stannis on the reverse shot making you feel sympathy for both of them but then he talks about Davos being a traitor and the camera switches to point downward on Shireen making her more sympathetic and reminding you that Stannis is being a dick.

 

[Red Arremer]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

 

[SamVimes]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

I know you said Martin but my mind can only conjure Ron Howard's voice in this scene.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I know you said Martin but my mind can only conjure Ron Howard's voice in this scene.

I am so disappointed that this will never ever happen now.

 

[-griffy-]

You guys have it all wrong. After Tyrion kills Tywin, the camera dollies back to find a man wearing a suit facing away from camera. The man turns to face us, look directly at us. It is Frank Underwood. He delivers the line directly to the audience with his southern drawl "Lord Tywin did not, in the end, shit gold. Of course I knew he never would. He's just a man. And the only thing men shit is shit." He is now the main character of this show.

 

[PFD]

Can you point me in the direction of the ones with spoilers? Want to read whats up.

Someone linked the reviews earlier in this thread, before the premier. Let me see if I can find them

Is it wrong that I am as excited about the Twitter explosion for Joff's death as I am for his actual on-screen death? XD

I am also equally excited about the viewers reactions. Gonna be glorious.

 

[Red Arremer]

I am also equally excited about the viewers reactions. Gonna be glorious.

I want to see the meltdowns in the unsullied thread.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

The Camera pans left after the death to Christopher Lee sitting in an Armchair. He looks at the camera and says "Tywin Lannister, in fact, did not shit gold." at which point the camera goes to Paul Shaffer who laughs and agrees with him. Then the story carries on and no explanation is offered about those two sitting in Lord Tywin's chambers

 

[SamVimes]

I want to see the meltdowns in the unsullied thread.

I'm expecting plenty of this:

 

[Herr K]

After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

I love GURM, but I'd rather keep his Teletubbie voice far from the show.

 

[Enosh]

You guys have it all wrong. After Tyrion kills Tywin, the camera dollies back to find a man wearing a suit facing away from camera. The man turns to face us, look directly at us. It is Frank Underwood. He delivers the line directly to the audience with his southern drawl "Lord Tywin did not, in the end, shit gold. Of course I knew he never would. He's just a man. And the only thing men shit is shit." He is now the main character of this show.

given the text on the photo does he avenge tywin?

 

[CambriaRising]

I can see people guessing Tyrion will kill Tywin eventually, in fact the no spoilers thread features many who believe that. But I doubt anyone will guess Shae's involvement. It'll be a mind fuck.

I wonder if some of the people over there have read the Ice and Fire wiki to come up with some of their "theories".

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Or had reader friends not-so-subtly drop tidbits for them (inadvertently or not)... e_e

 

[Kerned]

It will be nice to see non-readers freaking out in a good way for once.

 

[Corpsepyre]

I seriously doubt there will be meltdowns when that little shit meets his end. George writing the Ep is icing on the cake too. He probably wanted to kill him twice

 

[Iksenpets]

Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.

Books = great. TV = won't happen.

This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?

I could see Tyrion saying the line in a drunken ramble in the season 5 opener while in Pentos.

 

[Kerned]

I could see Tyrion saying the line in a drunken ramble in the season 5 opener while in Pentos.

This makes the most sense of all.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I could see Tyrion saying the line in a drunken ramble in the season 5 opener while in Pentos.

I'll only accept this if immediately afterwards he looks into the camera and winks

 

[todd360]

I love GURM, but I'd rather keep his Teletubbie voice far from the show.

lol I can imagine my sister saying "is that santa?"

Spoiler

She thinks he looks like santa

 

[Chris R]

The Joff dying scene has to be the last thing in the episode.

 

[Iksenpets]

I'll only accept this if immediately afterwards he looks into the camera and winks

What if Tyrion, Varys, and Illyrio all jump up for a freeze-frame high-five to end the episode?

 

[todd360]

The Joff dying scene has to be the last thing in the episode.

Clutching throat desperately then fade to black. IS HE DEAD OR NOT! yells can be heard all over the world. Book readers being hunted down like animals for answers.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

What if Tyrion, Varys, and Illyrio all jump up for a freeze-frame high-five to end the episode?

That's the only logical way this show can end.

 

[Chris R]

Clutching throat desperately then fade to black. IS HE DEAD OR NOT! yells can be heard all over the world. Book readers being hunted down like animals for answers.

No. He is dead dead, and Cersei is screaming for Tyrion's head. Fade to black with his face of dread as they come to arrest him.

 

[PFD]

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The Joff dying scene has to be the last thing in the episode.

Yeah probably

What if Tyrion, Varys, and Illyrio all jump up for a freeze-frame high-five to end the episode?

Illyrio... we haven't seen him since Season 1 have we? I wonder if they'll keep the same actor. There's gonna be many more cases like this, where the show revisits a character than hasn't been seen in 4 years. I'm not looking forward to more "Daarios"