The Artful Dodger
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I could see them also guessing Jaime saving him. I think the whole thing overall will be a holy shit moment.
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I could see them also guessing Jaime saving him. I think the whole thing overall will be a holy shit moment.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Agreed. It's pretty obvious that all three of the Lannister children don't like Tywin, so it won't be a surprise that one of them ends up killing him
Shae is the shocker; I totally wasn't expecting her to turn on Tyrion like she did during the trial and when she's found in Tywin's bed.
Red Arremer
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The biggest shocker is the way Tywin is offed, though. 
I wonder if they will interview Charles Dance afterwards and ask him how it felt shooting a scene where his character's son kills him while he's taking a dump.
I wonder if they will interview Charles Dance afterwards and ask him how it felt shooting a scene where his character's son kills him while he's taking a dump.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I hope they get Tyrion to say the "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold" line.
Red Arremer
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It would be an injustice if they didn't.
Morrigan Stark
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He's as good as dead next episode, baby! Final shot will probably be Cersei pointing at Tyrion and saying he did it and showing Tyrion's "oh shit" face.
Is it wrong that I am as excited about the Twitter explosion for Joff's death as I am for his actual on-screen death? XD
Is it wrong that I am as excited about the Twitter explosion for Joff's death as I am for his actual on-screen death? XD
Agreed, I think that's what the white lion means too.
Corpsepyre
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Can you point me in the direction of the ones with spoilers? Want to read whats up.
I'm really curious to see whether the show watchers' opinion of Tyrion will change after he kills Shae and Tywin. I remember reading a lot of displeasure towards him by readers due to him becoming a "cold blooded murderer."
I also wonder how they'll end the next episode. Joff dying and Cersei ordering the guards to arrest Tyrion, or Littlefinger's (presumably) first appearance in the season and killing Dontos?
I also wonder how they'll end the next episode. Joff dying and Cersei ordering the guards to arrest Tyrion, or Littlefinger's (presumably) first appearance in the season and killing Dontos?
PhoenixDark
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None of the reviews spoil it, as they're under NDAs. But we know the wedding is in ep 2 and Martin is writing it, which means Joff will die.
Well, has anyone on the show ever implied that he does shit gold?
This show is nothing if not content to call back on earlier scenes.
thequickandthedead
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Does anyone actually think that the Hound is dead for good? Every book reader i've talked to believes the theory about his survival.
The Artful Dodger
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I think he's alive. I didn't really take that as a very "out-there" theory.
Such a fantastic classic line, but it's one of those things that I have a hard time imagining working on screen. How would that play out? Would Tyrion shoot Tywin and then walk over, look in the privy and deliver the line? This is the moment where Tyrion murders his father; it's not lighthearted. I think TV show Tyrion cracking a joke in that situation would weaken that moment.
Books = great. TV = won't happen.
This reminds me of literally my biggest fear about the HBO adaptation: how will they handle the absurd, cartoonish, acrobat circus performer Tyron next season and not make everything terrible?
The Artful Dodger
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I could see Bronn cracking that joke after the death....Or Tyrion looking at the camera breaking fourth wall and cracking the joke
Not really, but it's funny to imagine
WhereAreMahDragonz
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When Robb calls his banners. Something like "We'll find out if he really does shit gold."
Also he could say it to Varys when they leave?
smokeandmirrors
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Jaime helps him escape so he could use that as an aside to him:
"Our Lord father does not, in fact, shit gold".
Or something. I'm sure it can be done.
FootballFan
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He could say it to another character after the event.
Something along those lines could work, sure.
Red Arremer
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I can see them dropping the line sometime during this season. There'll be more than enough opportunities to refer to the Lannisters' wealth.
Oh yeah, Robb did say that.
Yeah, Bronn seems like a possible way to deliver the line, or they could have someone else but Tyrion say it. Something like 2 soldiers talking to each other and one of them saying "They say Lord Tywin was murdered on the privy. When the servants cleaned it out, they said that Lord Tywyn did, in fact, not shit gold." or something.
Edit: Yeah, Tyrion cracking the line towards Varys/Jamie also seems possible.
The line's too legendary to not have it happen, though. It's such a crass moment in the books.
PhoenixDark
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After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.
Dabookerman
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That would be fucking incredible. It needs to happen.
No, the narrator clearly needs to be Daniel Stern and then a Peter, Paul and Mary song plays as Tyrion slowly walks back to homeroom.
finally watched it today. brilliant opening episode, though I have to say the Dornish are a bit too different for my taste. But oh well. Loved the Arya/Hound bit, they're always brilliant.
you know whenever I read this sort of stuff in no spoiler threads I'm pretty sure those people are book readers. How could you possibly guess from what has been shown so far that Tyrion would do that, that he would actually slay his own kin, his own father! It's such a stretch at this point.
you know whenever I read this sort of stuff in no spoiler threads I'm pretty sure those people are book readers. How could you possibly guess from what has been shown so far that Tyrion would do that, that he would actually slay his own kin, his own father! It's such a stretch at this point.
I think these ideas are intentional. Due to the nature of the show I think they storyboard the hell out of it and think about how the scene will look because they don't have time to mess about. I think they have shot Tywin this way multiple times, his eyeline above everyone else's even if he is seated.
I was rewatching this scene http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8lLIjpZn7w with Stannis and Shireen and you see the difference in how the camera is focused on Shireen at eyelevel when they begin their talk. In fact they are level with Stannis on the reverse shot making you feel sympathy for both of them but then he talks about Davos being a traitor and the camera switches to point downward on Shireen making her more sympathetic and reminding you that Stannis is being a dick.
Red Arremer
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I know you said Martin but my mind can only conjure Ron Howard's voice in this scene.
smokeandmirrors
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I am so disappointed that this will never ever happen now.
You guys have it all wrong. After Tyrion kills Tywin, the camera dollies back to find a man wearing a suit facing away from camera. The man turns to face us, look directly at us. It is Frank Underwood. He delivers the line directly to the audience with his southern drawl "Lord Tywin did not, in the end, shit gold. Of course I knew he never would. He's just a man. And the only thing men shit is shit." He is now the main character of this show.
Someone linked the reviews earlier in this thread, before the premier. Let me see if I can find them
I am also equally excited about the viewers reactions. Gonna be glorious.
Red Arremer
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I want to see the meltdowns in the unsullied thread.
The Artful Dodger
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The Camera pans left after the death to Christopher Lee sitting in an Armchair. He looks at the camera and says "Tywin Lannister, in fact, did not shit gold." at which point the camera goes to Paul Shaffer who laughs and agrees with him. Then the story carries on and no explanation is offered about those two sitting in Lord Tywin's chambers
I love GURM, but I'd rather keep his Teletubbie voice far from the show.
Enosh
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given the text on the photo does he avenge tywin?
CambriaRising
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I wonder if some of the people over there have read the Ice and Fire wiki to come up with some of their "theories".
Morrigan Stark
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Or had reader friends not-so-subtly drop tidbits for them (inadvertently or not)... e_e
Corpsepyre
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I seriously doubt there will be meltdowns when that little shit meets his end. George writing the Ep is icing on the cake too. He probably wanted to kill him twice
I could see Tyrion saying the line in a drunken ramble in the season 5 opener while in Pentos.
This makes the most sense of all.
The Artful Dodger
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I'll only accept this if immediately afterwards he looks into the camera and winks
What if Tyrion, Varys, and Illyrio all jump up for a freeze-frame high-five to end the episode?
Clutching throat desperately then fade to black. IS HE DEAD OR NOT! yells can be heard all over the world. Book readers being hunted down like animals for answers.
The Artful Dodger
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That's the only logical way this show can end.
No. He is dead dead, and Cersei is screaming for Tyrion's head. Fade to black with his face of dread as they come to arrest him.
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Yeah probably
Illyrio... we haven't seen him since Season 1 have we? I wonder if they'll keep the same actor. There's gonna be many more cases like this, where the show revisits a character than hasn't been seen in 4 years. I'm not looking forward to more "Daarios"
Yeah probably
Illyrio... we haven't seen him since Season 1 have we? I wonder if they'll keep the same actor. There's gonna be many more cases like this, where the show revisits a character than hasn't been seen in 4 years. I'm not looking forward to more "Daarios"
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