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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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Nokagi

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After Tyrion kills Tywin an overhead narrator (preferably Martin) should say "Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold." And then Tyrion breaks the fourth wall, smiles right into the camera, fade to black as When Doves Cry plays.

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Speevy

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In typical Game of Thrones storytelling fashion, Tywin will sit on a toilet while chiding Tyrion. He will once again threaten to kill Shae, and then have a successful bowel movement. Tyrion will say "I bet he just shit gold."

As the season finale begins, we will be treated to a flashback of this exact scene.
 

Kerned

Banned
Clutching throat desperately then fade to black. IS HE DEAD OR NOT! yells can be heard all over the world. Book readers being hunted down like animals for answers.

I think he will be obviously dead at the end of the episode. I predict a fairly disturbing death scene.
 
I reckon the episode will end shortly after Joff's death with Tyrion in his chambers with Shae, they come and arrest him and he gives Shae one last look as they drag him away.
 

Iksenpets

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Yeah probably



Illyrio... we haven't seen him since Season 1 have we? I wonder if they'll keep the same actor. There's gonna be many more cases like this, where the show revisits a character than hasn't been seen in 4 years. I'm not looking forward to more "Daarios" :(

I would hope they've been planning for this one. They've known for a long time and it's only 1 or 2 episodes of appearances. Honestly, we latch on to the Daarios, but look at how good they've been about keeping the Janos Slynts and Pollivers around through multi-season gaps. They're actually doing really, really well at this, we just notice the few times they fail.
 
Illyrio... we haven't seen him since Season 1 have we? I wonder if they'll keep the same actor. There's gonna be many more cases like this, where the show revisits a character than hasn't been seen in 4 years. I'm not looking forward to more "Daarios" :(

They've actually done fairly well on this for the most part, though. Slynt, Thorne, Lysa, etc all returned after multiple seasons away without issue. There have only been a few recasts, and those have mostly seemed down more to behind the scenes drama than issues with availability.

Given that they wouldn't need Illyrio for that much next year (probably just two episodes worth of stuff), I would think there probably wouldn't be a big issue there.
 

Yonafunu

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you know whenever I read this sort of stuff in no spoiler threads I'm pretty sure those people are book readers. How could you possibly guess from what has been shown so far that Tyrion would do that, that he would actually slay his own kin, his own father! It's such a stretch at this point.

It's not a stretch at all. The bad blood between Tyrion and Tywin has been extremely obvious since the moment they're on screen together in S1. Tywin has been antagonizing his children the entire third season (and fourth, so far), and everybody has seen Tyrion in handcuffs in the trailers. It would make sense to think Tywin would have something to do with that. Just like it makes sense that at this point, the biggest dangers to Tywin are coming from King's Landing, and his own children are the most important of those.

I think these ideas are intentional. Due to the nature of the show I think they storyboard the hell out of it and think about how the scene will look because they don't have time to mess about. I think they have shot Tywin this way multiple times, his eyeline above everyone else's even if he is seated.

I was rewatching this scene http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D8lLIjpZn7w with Stannis and Shireen and you see the difference in how the camera is focused on Shireen at eyelevel when they begin their talk. In fact they are level with Stannis on the reverse shot making you feel sympathy for both of them but then he talks about Davos being a traitor and the camera switches to point downward on Shireen making her more sympathetic and reminding you that Stannis is being a dick.

These are all basic cinematographic techniques, they are definitely intentional. This is cinematography. It's safe to say that everything you see in any given scene is intentional. Whether that be the camera angles, the makeup of the surroundings, or the amount of people walking through the scene.
 

DrForester

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Oh man, what if they don't kill him at the reception but wait a few episodes and do something else to screw with the book readers?
 

erawsd

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I don't have the link now (at work) but someone posted a video to some non-readers who do deep analysis of the episodes. I've been watching their videos and one of them is predicting Joff's death for ep 2, based on the trailers showing Tyrion in prison. The other reviewer totally called the Lysa Arryn/LF connection with respect to lying about the Lannisters killing Jon Arryn.

Honestly, it feels like there are far too many "non readers" that have incredibly accurate theories about what will happen on this show. Its not impossible to predict some of this stuff but I can't help but question how genuine much of it is.
 
Honestly, it feels like there are far too many "non readers" that have incredibly accurate theories about what will happen on this show. Its not impossible to predict some of this stuff but I can't help but question how genuine much of it is.

I don't believe all of the 'non readers' are actually 'non readers' or 'non spoiler readers' for a second.
 

Yonafunu

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Honestly, it feels like there are far too many "non readers" that have incredibly accurate theories about what will happen on this show. Its not impossible to predict some of this stuff but I can't help but question how genuine much of it is.

I don't believe all of the 'non readers' are actually 'non readers' or 'non spoiler readers' for a second.

Non-Book readers, maybe, but certainly people who've ventured to the ASOIAF Wiki a few times...

Examples?
 

Faddy

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These are all basic cinematographic techniques, they are definitely intentional. This is cinematography. It's safe to say that everything you see in any given scene is intentional. Whether that be the camera angles, the makeup of the surroundings, or the amount of people walking through the scene.


The cinematography is one of the high points of the show. They don't have the luxury (no matter how well they edit the story) to have Mad Men quality themes with intertwined plots or Sopranos quality dialogue and character development so they seem to pour their effort into composing their scenes.

They work on the show year round and I think they spend a lot of time working on detailed storyboards so they get the visual impact into the show, so it isn't just one on one conversations where they have a style. There is little movement without purpose, everyone seems heavily directed; the actors don't, IMO, have free reign to move around or ad lib their actions. This is important as it gives them a platform to have really long scenes which I also love. Imagine arya and the Hound scene is chopped in two ( it is 8 minutes long) it would lose a lot of impact if they cut away and came back in 15 minutes.
 
Examples?

Pointless pointing them out, I may be wrong. Some theories are just too on the nose or come up at suspicious times too often.

I ventured onto a wiki when I started season 1 to get a bit for information about characters and accidentally spoilt The Red Wedding for myself. I doubt I was the only one and while I didn't post about it, I'm sure the odd few have posted spoilers thinly veiled as predictions or theories!
 
I hope Joffrey's death makes people all happy and excited that he's dying. Then it keeps going far too long and makes the viewer almost feel bad for him.
 

kirblar

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Oh man, what if they don't kill him at the reception but wait a few episodes and do something else to screw with the book readers?
There are things you can radically change and get away with. (I think one's coming up late in the season.) This isn't one of them.
 
I'm sure most of the audience is going to be behind Tyrion offing Tywin, I'm sure we'll get a remind about Tysha before we get to Jaimie's confession. As for Shae I think it'll depend on how harsh they go with her turning on him., got a feeling with the way they've written her she's going to be greatly disliked before we get to that scene.
 
I'm sure most of the audience is going to be behind Tyrion offing Tywin, I'm sure we'll get a remind about Tysha before we get to Jaimie's confession. As for Shae I think it'll depend on how harsh they go with her turning on him., got a feeling with the way they've written her she's going to be greatly disliked before we get to that scene.

She already is, if I have to hear 'my lion' in that accent again I'm just going to skip all her future scenes.

Then watch her death in slow mo
 

jett

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I predict Joff's death will be at the beginning or middle at the latest. We'll definitely be seeing a decent amount of fallout, I think.
 

Robot Pants

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I predict Joff's death will be at the beginning or middle at the latest. We'll definitely be seeing a decent amount of fallout, I think.
And will it be Jamie's fault/lack of being able to protect him?


Edit: holy shit I'm in the wrong thread and oh no what have I done and read and FUCK
 

shadowkat

Unconfirmed Member
And will it be Jamie's fault/lack of being able to protect him?


Edit: holy shit I'm in the wrong thread and oh no what have I done and read and FUCK

:(

I think middle of the episode. Aren't there shots of Sansa at the Eyrie? Though I might be getting things mixed up.
 

DrForester

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I predict Joff's death will be at the beginning or middle at the latest. We'll definitely be seeing a decent amount of fallout, I think.

No way. The previews show an open air party for the gifts, so that's going to be separate from the reception like in the books. There's way too much to cover to kill him halfway through the episode.
 

jett

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I really think we should have tagged book spoilers like the last season.

It's pointless because the show is now taking elements from books beyond where the season currently is. Even one that hasn't even been released. :p

No way. The previews show an open air party for the gifts, so that's going to be separate from the reception like in the books. There's way too much to cover to kill him halfway through the episode.

Honestly I don't remember many details about the wedding.

And will it be Jamie's fault/lack of being able to protect him?


Edit: holy shit I'm in the wrong thread and oh no what have I done and read and FUCK

Ah this is funny.

People should learn how to use subscriptions.
 

Kerned

Banned
I really think we should have tagged book spoilers like the last season.
The thread would be a pain in the ass to read. This thread is clearly labeled, and each page has a warning on it. I feel bad for people who wander in and get spoiled, but subscribing to the non-reader thread would solve that problem.
 

Dysun

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I really think we should have tagged book spoilers like the last season.

No thanks, that was super annoying to spoiler tag everything and wade through seas of black bars. People should subscribe to the other thread or read the damn title before clicking
 

Massa

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I suggested naming this thread something completely different, like "A Song of Ice and Fire TV Adaptation Spoilers |OT|". People's brains skim through text they don't read it, using Game of Thrones and text in all caps for both threads will lead to mistakes like that.
 
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