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[Atraveller]

lol

 

[Iksenpets]

lol

My avatar is Varys' true form.

 

[Forkball]

But how did Jon and Melisandre not know
Speaking of GoT crackpot theories, what's the craziest one you've ever heard?

Mine is probably "Roose Bolton is a vampire".

He's the closest thing to GoT's version of vampires. Wargs are just secret werewolves after all.

Craziest theories I've seen:
Ned is alive
Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship
Rhaegar is alive
Euron is Daario
Varys is a woman
Syrio is dead

 

[Kerned]

He's the closest thing to GoT's version of vampires. Wargs are just secret werewolves after all.

Craziest theories I've seen:
Ned is alive
Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship
Rhaegar is alive
Euron is Daario
Varys is a woman
Syrio is dead

Varys is a woman? That's one I have never heard before. What's the rationale behind that?

 

[Steelyuhas]

He's the closest thing to GoT's version of vampires. Wargs are just secret werewolves after all.

Craziest theories I've seen:
Ned is alive
Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship
Rhaegar is alive
Euron is Daario
Varys is a woman
Syrio is dead

heh

 

[Atraveller]

Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship

Man, people would ship anything and everything.

 

[CrunchyB]

For me this was literally the biggest disappointment I've had with the show. Davos appealing to stannis' honor and duty to the kingdom while offering his head to stannis was so perfect in the books, as was the ambiguity of what stannis would do.

Instead they shat out a terrible scene and undermined both stannis and davos. Really bummed me out.

I get why they sometime need to cut/change scenes because of time or budget restraints (Tyrion getting knocked out, Arya's storyline). But unnecessary changes like these annoy the hell out of me. Almost all those brand new scenes are poor quality too.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

Varys is a woman? That's one I have never heard before. What's the rationale behind that?

I think the running opinion is that young Griff is the child of Varys/Illyrio and they are trying to make him the essential ruler of the entire world.

 

[Kerned]

I think the running opinion is that young Griff is the child of Varys/Illyrio and they are trying to make him the essential ruler of the entire world.

That seems... insane.

 

[PhoenixDark]

The last Davos scene was horrible. Not just the changes but the hurried way the actor's blew through their lines. It felt trivial, like "we've discussed the importance of taking the throne for two seasons, brb lemme look in the fire oh wait let's to to the Wall." I don't get it.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I hope they have Mel try to convince him that he needs to head back south and win a bigger army or something. It needs to be a surprise, and a moment of choosing Davos over Mel. There needs to be horses and carts.

Pretty much. I'm dreading/curious to see his first scene back this week to see where the dynamic between the three of them stands now.

 

[Dysun]

I feel like they get a better grasp of the characters every year, last year was a big downer for Stannis but I still have hope they can turn that around this year.
I didn't particularly care for the character at this point in the books either, even though his portrayal is clearly not 1:1

 

[-griffy-]

I like this actor better, but most folks aren't of that opinion. Then again most didn't see him in Treme.

I think the new actor is already a much better actor based on the little time we've spent with him. The other guy maybe looked the part, but his performance wasn't very good.

 

[Dawg]

He's the closest thing to GoT's version of vampires. Wargs are just secret werewolves after all.

Craziest theories I've seen:
Ned is alive
Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship
Rhaegar is alive
Euron is Daario
Varys is a woman
Syrio is dead

TWOW

Spoiler

I've heard someone say one of the recent released chapters pretty much implies Syrio is still alive. In fact, it's almost guaranteed. Not sure if true, anyone who read it who can confirm or not?

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

TWOW

Spoiler

I've heard someone say one of the recent released chapters pretty much implies Syrio is still alive. In fact, it's almost guaranteed. Not sure if true, anyone who read it who can confirm or not?

TWOW

Spoiler

If it's the Arya chapter, I don't recall anything in there that points to Syrio being alive in any way, but I could have missed it I guess.

 

[SamVimes]

TWOW

Spoiler

I've heard someone say one of the recent released chapters pretty much implies Syrio is still alive. In fact, it's almost guaranteed. Not sure if true, anyone who read it who can confirm or not?

Not confirmed at all. To elaborate

Spoiler

a Phario Forel is mentioned as a playwright, but for all we know he could be a relative

.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

The no book spoilers thread is really one of the greatest things of a new GoT season. They're currently discussing how Joffrey can become a better king or giving that character more of a purpose.

Good times.

 

[eot]

But how did Jon and Melisandre not know
Speaking of GoT crackpot theories, what's the craziest one you've ever heard?

Mine is probably "Roose Bolton is a vampire".

The two craziest I've heard are:
Varys is a merling (merman).
Davos is lightbringer. (not as crazy but it's pretty out there)

 

[-griffy-]

The no book spoilers thread is really one of the greatest things of a new GoT season. They're currently discussing how Joffrey can become a better king or giving that character more of a purpose.

Good times.

Yeah it's been pages of people arguing over that, or hoping we learn more backstory about why he turned out so evil. People have no idea what's coming which makes for great reading for us

 

[Dawg]

I'm really looking forward to the reactions of the upcoming episode.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Anybody else get the email from HBO titled: Celebrate the Union of House Lannister & House Tyrell!

Man, they're really setting folks up.

 

[Iksenpets]

Not confirmed at all. To elaborate

Spoiler

a Phario Forel is mentioned as a playwright, but for all we know he could be a relative

.

Spoiler

Yeah, Forel could just be a common surname. Best case scenario is we've confirmed that Syrio has a brother or cousin, but even that offers now evidence that he's alive. It just makes Syrio a little cooler by having him be an awesome swordsman who's also related to Braavosi Shakespeare.

 

[Judderman]

EDIT: See post below about possible LSH spoiler.

itshappening.webm

At least I hope it is and it's not some book reader just spouting off predictions. I just want to see her in all her grotesque glory.

 

[Iksenpets]

itshappening.webm

Whoa whoa whoa what's this from?

Edit: I doubt that's really the sort of thing the ban on magazine caps is supposed to prevent, but best to be cautious. I think you could transcribe the text though, without issue, since it's only a short sentence or two.

 

[Judderman]

Whoa whoa whoa what's this from?

SFX Magazine. Someone posted a cap in r/asoiaf.

Actually, let me take that down. I forgot the rule about magazine captures.

 

[Dysun]

It will be a great final scene, especially if they hold off on Only Cat but not sure they will now with the episode 7 title leaked

 

[Calamari41]

It will be a great final scene, especially if they hold off on Only Cat but not sure they will now with the episode 7 title leaked

Where can I find the episode titles?

Edit: Damn, right in the OP. Sorry everyone.

 

[RedShift]

He's the closest thing to GoT's version of vampires. Wargs are just secret werewolves after all.

Craziest theories I've seen:
Ned is alive
Ned and Robert had a romantic relationship
Rhaegar is alive
Euron is Daario
Varys is a woman
Syrio is dead

I'm not saying I believe Ned is alive... but when you look back at the conversation Varys had with Illyrio in the dungeons it makes no sense for them to be talking about Jon Arryn. 'If one Hand can die, why not another?' is actually about JonConn, and they're talking about faking his death and recruiting him for Aegon. Combine that with three family members making comments about Ned not looking like himself after his convo with Varys (Arya when she's sees him at Baelor, Sansa when she's sees his head, Cat when she sees his remains at RIverrun) and he's basically 100% confirmed alive probably still dead. The show basically confirmed he's dead though, or at least whoever was killed in his place was under a glamour or something, that was definitely Sean Bean. And they couldn't bring Sean Bean back, or bring Ned back without him, so it's v. unlikely he's still alive.

As for Rhaegar still being alive, there were some convincing arguments that Mance = Rhaegar (Especially the story of Bael the Bard) but I don't buy it.

I love the Varys = Mermaid theory because now every time I read/watch the scene where Tyrion threatens to have Varys metaphorically thrown overboard and he says 'you might not like the result' I have this image of Varys falling off a ship, turning into a mermaid and swimming off laughing while Tyrion just stands there like, WTF.

 

[Razzer]

I'm not saying I believe Ned is alive... but when you look back at the conversation Varys had with Illyrio in the dungeons it makes no sense for them to be talking about Jon Arryn. 'If one Hand can die, why not another?' is actually about JonConn, and they're talking about faking his death and recruiting him for Aegon. Combine that with three family members making comments about Ned not looking like himself after his convo with Varys (Arya when she's sees him at Baelor, Sansa when she's sees his head, Cat when she sees his remains at RIverrun) and he's basically 100% confirmed alive probably still dead. The show basically confirmed he's dead though, or at least whoever was killed in his place was under a glamour or something, that was definitely Sean Bean. And they couldn't bring Sean Bean back, or bring Ned back without him, so it's v. unlikely he's still alive.

As for Rhaegar still being alive, there were some convincing arguments that Mance = Rhaegar (Especially the story of Bael the Bard) but I don't buy it.

I love the Varys = Mermaid theory because now every time I read/watch the scene where Tyrion threatens to have Varys metaphorically thrown overboard and he says 'you might not like the result' I have this image of Varys falling off a ship, turning into a mermaid and swimming off laughing while Tyrion just stands there like, WTF.

Ahahahahaha that's amazing.

 

[jett]

Finally watched the first episode. What the FUCK happened to Daario? Wtf?! Did they recast him? Why does he look totally different? >_<

I can only guess they wanted someone more manly looking that male audiences would like better...??

Probably issues with the original actor tbh.

 

[Cornballer]

- WiCnet: Season 4, Episode 2 Preview – “The Lion and the Rose”

Preview and some production vids. These have been posted before, iirc.

 

[Randdalf]

I just looked up the "Ned is alive" theory. That would be pretty cool if he was, but highly unlikely.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

I just looked up the "Ned is alive" theory. That would be pretty cool if he was, but highly unlikely.

Ned is a Faceless man and is also Jaqen and Syrio.

 

[elrechazado]

I'm not saying I believe Ned is alive... but when you look back at the conversation Varys had with Illyrio in the dungeons it makes no sense for them to be talking about Jon Arryn. 'If one Hand can die, why not another?' is actually about JonConn, and they're talking about faking his death and recruiting him for Aegon. Combine that with three family members making comments about Ned not looking like himself after his convo with Varys (Arya when she's sees him at Baelor, Sansa when she's sees his head, Cat when she sees his remains at RIverrun) and he's basically 100% confirmed alive probably still dead. The show basically confirmed he's dead though, or at least whoever was killed in his place was under a glamour or something, that was definitely Sean Bean. And they couldn't bring Sean Bean back, or bring Ned back without him, so it's v. unlikely he's still alive.

As for Rhaegar still being alive, there were some convincing arguments that Mance = Rhaegar (Especially the story of Bael the Bard) but I don't buy it.

I love the Varys = Mermaid theory because now every time I read/watch the scene where Tyrion threatens to have Varys metaphorically thrown overboard and he says 'you might not like the result' I have this image of Varys falling off a ship, turning into a mermaid and swimming off laughing while Tyrion just stands there like, WTF.

How do you figure they are talking about conning ton? He's already been with griff for years at that point in the books timeline.

 

[eot]

I'm not saying I believe Ned is alive... but when you look back at the conversation Varys had with Illyrio in the dungeons it makes no sense for them to be talking about Jon Arryn. 'If one Hand can die, why not another?' is actually about JonConn, and they're talking about faking his death and recruiting him for Aegon.

I agree with you on that part, but Varys says 'then is not now, and this hand is not the other'. Ned is not a Targaryen loyalist, he wouldn't live in exile just to aid their cause. I think it's mostly there as a red herring, while not actually being a lie.

How do you figure they are talking about conning ton? He's already been with griff for years at that point in the books timeline.

Because we 99% know Varys didn't have anything to do with the murder of Jon Arryn. Why would they be talking like that?
Also the 'then is not now' line, I read that as it being a while ago, same with 'you have danced the dance before'. That's just the feeling I get anyway.
Jon Connington was hand of the king and he was reported dead after Illyrio made him go undercover. The part that doesn't quite add up is that he went into exile before their intervention, so he wasn't actually hand at the time.

(just to clarify, they're referring to having faked Jon Con's death a long time ago, and Illyrio suggests doing the same with Ned)

 

[elrechazado]

I agree with you on that part, but Varys says 'then is not now, and this hand is not the other'. Ned is not a Targaryen loyalist, he wouldn't live in exile just to aid their cause. I think it's mostly there as a red herring, while not actually being a lie.



Because we 99% know Varys didn't have anything to do with the murder of Jon Arryn. Why would they be talking like that?
Also the 'then is not now' line, I read that as it being a while ago, same with 'you have danced the dance before'. That's just the feeling I get anyway.
Jon Connington was hand of the king and he was reported dead after Illyrio made him go undercover. The part that doesn't quite add up is that he went into exile before their intervention, so he wasn't actually hand at the time.

(just to clarify, they're referring to having faked Jon Con's death a long time ago, and Illyrio suggests doing the same with Ned)

I read it as them acknowledging that hands can be killed, not claiming varys had a hand in it.

Interesting theory you make though.

 

[Junior Asparagus]

SFX Magazine. Someone posted a cap in r/asoiaf.

Actually, let me take that down. I forgot the rule about magazine captures.

What was it?

 

[Forkball]

What was it?

UnCat confirmed (no pictures, just a paragraph saying BwB have new recruits and a "very alive dead person". I was hoping for Coldhands. WE ALL WANT COLDHANDS

 

[RedShift]

I agree with you on that part, but Varys says 'then is not now, and this hand is not the other'. Ned is not a Targaryen loyalist, he wouldn't live in exile just to aid their cause. I think it's mostly there as a red herring, while not actually being a lie.

After Robert's death though Varys could decide it is worth trying to get Ned to defect and fake his death. At first he knew there was no point because Ned was loyal to Robert, but he clearly is very unloyal to Joff.

I still don't really buy it though. Ned would rather work to get Stannis on the throne than Aegon. And after Robb became KitN I'd imagine he'd want to go back. But then again maybe he thought going back would screw up the North, what do you do when your King's father comes back to life? Make him King or what?

 

[Yonafunu]

I was just noting it happens, no need to be all high and mighty. I subscribe to the thread but when skimming through thread titles on the offtopic I once entered the wrong topic. Just saying I can see how some might do same mistake and end up in this topic.

My apologies, it wasn't my intention to come across like that. It's just such a easy thing to avoid.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Peter Dinklage is doing an AMA

 

[UraMallas]

Such a great, but sad moment. Martin occasionally brings out some really good writing, and this was one of his best. The fact that the good parts are dialogue means it will translate really well to TV too.

Honestly, you could probably pull that verbatim which is really great. Tears will be welling.

 

[shadowkat]

I like this actor better, but most folks aren't of that opinion. Then again most didn't see him in Treme.

So far I like him better.

 

[Solo]

I like this actor better, but most folks aren't of that opinion. Then again most didn't see him in Treme.

Old Daario had the most punchable face ever, so new Daario wins by virtue of not having a douche face I wanna smack every time I see it.

 

[Yonafunu]

I prefer new Daario's look, but old Daario's swag, so far.

 

[suzu]

Have to see more of new Daario, but so far he's fine. I prefer the new one's looks too.

 

[Dany]

So is Jorah leaving by the end of this season?

I really feel like they pushed the relationship between Daario/Dany too fast last season and recasting him did a nice job of restarting their relationship.

 

[CoolOff]

Old Daario had the most punchable face ever, so new Daario wins by virtue of not having a douche face I wanna smack every time I see it.

This. The last guy was sooo punchable.

To be honest, I think it's as simple as new guy = better actor, old guy = better fit for the role. Let's see what's more important in the long run.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

So is Jorah leaving by the end of this season?

I really feel like they pushed the relationship between Daario/Dany too fast last season and recasting him did a nice job of restarting their relationship.

Using Daario as the wedge between Dany and Ser Jorah this season would be more interesting since the Ser Barristan surprise is gone.

 

[Dany]

It would be awfuly sappy and meladramatic of jorah. The books had Jorah leave because of conflicting strategy with Barristan iirc? It's been awhile since i read the books.