That would be incredible.
Qyburn brings back Tywin, who in death learns the error of his ways. While en route to his ancestral home, he meets Beric Dondarrion's men, and decides to right his wrongs.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 Offseason Thread
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That would be incredible.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Oh I totally forgot about Dareon. I thought they were going to make it like the
Mercy
I think it will be a mix of both, but mostly Dareon and especially the consequence that kill had on her and her standing with the faceless men. They kind of already did the latter part last season, but I'm hoping syrio's name comes up in some way if they go for the realization angle before he gets offed
Yeah, it seems like basically the mercy story, with him traveling with a master of coin and all that, but in terms of where in the timeline and where in Arya's character development it happens it'll probably be closer to where Dareon is in the book, since that's almost certainly cut (still hoping we get some sign of at least Sam going to Braavos though
). The kill itself will probably be entirely a show creation, since there won't be a play and there's no way they go with the seduction angle. And dammit, I was beaten to the Tywin/Stoneheart joke.
Incandenza
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Boy I guess I should really read Mercy huh.
What do you think it is? Cuz, I don't know...
If you have read all five books and don't mind reading a chapter of the 6th do it.
Cornballer
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Hey folks, just a quick reminder that discussion of any preview chapters from The Winds of Winter as well as any major deviations from the first five books needs to be spoiler tagged. Thank you.
Jibbajabbawockky
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I can't help but chuckle when I'm watching ABC and see commercials for that Resurrection show and theyre showing Michelle Fairley as some resurrected person.
Atraveller
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Kind of weird that they decided to break the no flash back rule 4 seasons in.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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It's kind of strange that they would choose to do Maggy the frog instead of Brandon, Lyanna, and Robert's Rebellion.
They're saving that. It may get a whole season.
Atraveller
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Maybe just to reinforce Cersei downfall, Valonqar and all that.
Or a spinoff series, in case that GRRM needs another five years to write a book.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Oh, I didn't think of that.
But even then, Cersei's motivations can be explained without the prophecy, no? I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that she hates Margaery. They could have just said that was because she tried to manipulate Tommen and Joffrey.
Atraveller
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Tree internet works with flashbacks, but there's this piece of news:
Bran Stark won't be in 'Game of Thrones' season 5
Bran Stark won't be in 'Game of Thrones' season 5
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
This isn't necessarily true. He's talking about Ellie Kendrick and himself, probably. Isaac confirmed he was shooting scenes.
Atraveller
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Interesting, perhaps we'll see more hints about Jon Snow true parentage.
Maggy is one scene, Brandon, Lyanna and Robert's Rebellion require far more airtime.
Basileus777
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These things aren't really comparable. Though I wish we weren't getting Maggie the Frog either.
Is this projection or do you know something we don't?
This "news" has already been falsified. Bran WILL appear next season.
Hodor
Edit: Sorry for the double post.
Memento Mori
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That would be cool since Maggy was Jeyne Westerling's great-grandmother or something wasn't she?
Yeah, or possibly just grandmother. Because Talisa is "vaguely foreign" in the show it might work, but I really doubt Maggy will be shown as Dothraki or Lhazarene.
Steelyuhas
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I still wonder if they'll get to the Battle of Winterfell this season. If everything is simplified (No Manderlys, No Karstarks, No Mountain Clans, No Deepwood Motte, etc) then it's certainly possible. None of these things are confirmed to be gone but the lack of casting has me really worried about the story going forward.
They won't, it's simply not feasible. Even with several plotlines being neutered there's still a ton of material to go through before we arrive at the Battle of Winterfell. Jon wasn't even elected LC yet, after that he has to manage the Wall for a bit before he is killed (which most likely we assume at the moment takes place still before the battle), Davos has to be sent to White Harbor, Stannis has to mount an expedition to Winterfell, there's the whole ordeal with Ramsay's wedding (and knowing the writers they won't resist showing once again how cruel he is), Theon has to mope around Winterfell, escape, be caught by Stannis etc etc etc...
And that's just one plotline, we still have Braavos, Tyrion, Meereen, Dorne, King's Landing, Ironborn... it's not happening.
Jibbajabbawockky
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The notion of trying to get to the Battle of Winterfell without Frey Pies is very disheartening.
Characters like the Manderlys and the Greyjoy brothers make the fourth and fifth books. It would be a shame if the show gets overly aggressive in condensing and cutting just to speed to the end.
I don't think they'll get there this season. They didn't even finish Jon's ASOS storyline, and that's half a season worth of content at the very least. This season is the perfect opportunity to introduce Manderly. The show lost Tywin and Shae, so that's a lot of screen time to fill.
The other reason, and the strongest one, is the fact Daenerys is such a fan favourite and never got a battle episode. Tyrion and Jon got one, she didn't.
Still, even if they wanted to give her one this season, she's away when the 2nd Siege of Meereen takes place and it will also require Tyrion, Jorah and, hopefully, Victarion to be there as well.
I belive they'll save money for S06 and there won't be any battle on screen next year.
Basileus777
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They skipped one Jon chapter and one Sam chapter, that's not "half a season worth of content at the very least." Considering that a significant portion of Jon's ADWD material seems to be cut (Karstarks, Val, finding Tormund, storerooms, probably Hardhome) there really isn't as much to get through as some have been implying.
Sorry, I meant his storyline before Stannis goes to rally the clans, retake Deepwood Motte, and then Winterfell.
The election+Stannis' offer will take at least 2 episodes, then fetching a block, sending Sam off and switching babies, burning of Rattleshirt, and making plans with Stannis will take many episodes. That's assuming they won't cut most of the story, of course.
I think leaving the outcome in Winterfell unclear+Jon stabbed and the pink letter is good season finale material.
No way the burning of Rattleshirt happens in the show. Would be way too confusing for viewers. Best case scenario I can see is Jon hears about (f)Arya and sends Mance and a few Wildlings to Winterfell to retrieve her.
And I think we'll actually see who wrote the Pink Letter this season. We don't need to see the entire Battle of Winterfell this season, only the portion where (TWOW Speculation based on released chapter)
Stannis uses the frozen lake to defeat the Freys and fakes his own death.
Steelyuhas
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I think Stannis ending pretty close to where his Dance content ends probably makes the most sense. Probably Castle Black for the first half of the season, and then you could probably get the northmen clans, deepwood, and Theon reaches him by the season's end.
You're right about Rattleshirt, but someone has to be burned. Since the Thenns are absolute savages in the show (ugh), I think Styr is a safe bet.
As for the Battle of Winterfell, I strongly believe it will be a skip-to-outcome scene like most battles in the show. Like I said, Daenerys is a fan favourite and Jon isn't involved, plus we all know how much D&D like Stannis, so I doubt he'll get a battle anytime soon.
Deepwood Motte might be skipped entirely. Asha is barely a character, Alysane Mormont not a chance, and the fight itself it's more of a skirmish than anything.
Yeah, I could see Stannis at Castle Black through episode 5, then do Deepwood somewhere in 7-9, and then those Asha chapters with the army in the snow can be pretty heavily condensed so that you're ready to roll with the big battle at the start of season 6. They could try to rush it to get it in time for the season 5 finale, but after years of dragging viewers slowly through the Stannis/Bolton plots, it would feel pretty lame to have the payoff to that be a ten minute action sequence in an episode that'll be completely overshadowed by events with Dany and Cersei.
Styr is dead already though. Jon took a hammer to his skull. I don't think we're getting a Wildling burning, or if we are it'll be some nobodies. I don't think they can kill off Mance or Tormund yet.
You're right, he had a duel with Jon, my memory sucks. I guess only random characters can be burned, since Tormund and Mance are still part of the story.
WaffleTaco
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I'm guessing Tormund to replace Rattleshirt. Or not. Who knows I can't wait for season 5 though especially since we can see what Varys is up too.
They can't burn Tormund otherwise who would Jon treat with to make a deal with the Wildlings? Plus, we're assuming that we'll actually get to see the fake Mance burning, they may just cut it as they have so many other magical elements from the books. We still have yet to see Stannis wielding Lightbringer properly in all its glory, for all we know they've cut that as well.
Burning Tormund would be depressing. Who cares about Rattleshirt, but Tormund doesn't deserve that! He's barely even had time to start telling his story about fucking a bear!
But yeah, I don't think we'll get any Jon of magical executions. It's confusing, and really I think they'd like to avoid ever dealing with glamours if they don't absolutely have to.
But yeah, I don't think we'll get any Jon of magical executions. It's confusing, and really I think they'd like to avoid ever dealing with glamours if they don't absolutely have to.
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It's kind of strange they chose to film a one scene flashback that fleshes out a character as opposed to a protracted multi-million dollar war flashback?
WhereAreMahDragonz
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The events before the show, especially in season one, are more important than a prophecy.
WaffleTaco
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Ya I forgot about that, I am just not sure what they will do with Mance though, or Bowen Marsh. I think think since it seems they still have a lot to cover this season, that maybe pardoning Mance could escalate the hate for Jon Snow fast though, that and the wildings joining them, and finally the pink letter to push them to kill Jon Snow. Three strikes and he's out.
Jon's episode could go like this:
Episode 1&2: Castle Black Election, Stannis
Episode 3/4: Sam/Fetch me a block
Episode 4/5/6: Politics at the Wall/Stannis/Mance
Episode: 7/8/9: Wildlings/Pink Letter
Episode 10: Spoilers for Book Readers, unless GRRM throws us readers a bone
ToyMachine228
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Except there is very little book material to actually support flashbacks to Robert's Rebellion, Brandon and Lyanna outside of extremely vague dialogue between characters reminiscing. The prophecy is a very detailed scene.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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I don't think they would need all that much detail though. And besides, it's not like the showrunners haven't created scenes that didn't exist in the book. With the amount of input that George put into the first season, I think it would have been accurate enough.
It would be a tragic if the series would make the same mistake as the books and offer us no climax nor conclussion for the two "fire and ice" arcs (Stannis and Daenerys battles respectively).
Moff
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everyone wants to see as much of roberts rebellion as possible, but I feel that its kind of an all or nothing situation. and since many suspect there are somewhere plans in a drawer for a roberts rebellion mini series after GOT is finished, or even a movie, they might save it and not show anything on GOT. maggie the frog is just one little scene, similiar to a vision.
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