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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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hydrophilic attack
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Any substance to the theory that Varys
is a merman?
It's only 3 more episodes this way.
The fuck? Lol
hydrophilic attack
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From Season 2:
Tyrion: Threaten me again and Ill have you thrown into the sea.
Varys: You might be disappointed in the results. The storms come and go, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling.
Makes you think
she's the daughter of the king that Tarly fought for like 17 years earlier in roberts rebellion. this information was brought up *this season*.... its not like im digging in the appendices of the books here.
MudoSkills
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Latvian Hitman
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That's 3-4 hours of extra screen time. I wouldn't put the word "only" in front of that, personally.
VindicatorZ
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How the fuck are they planning to capture a White Walker btw? Do they have a special contraption? Did they plan for this? They gonna just tie it up?
While the Dothraki can surely be described as being "wild", they are not Wildlings by any stretch of the imaginations. They'd be alot paler and warmly dressed, for sure.
I wish they had just killed the Tarly's in the battle instead of showing us evil dictator mad queen Dany that they somehow think is "morally ambiguous" when she's really just a murdering twat, burning people because she loves to tell her dragon to breathe fire in Valyrian.
I wish they had just killed the Tarly's in the battle instead of showing us evil dictator mad queen Dany that they somehow think is "morally ambiguous" when she's really just a murdering twat, burning people because she loves to tell her dragon to breathe fire in Valyrian.
hydrophilic attack
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they aren't
John Dunbar
correct about everything
they're trying to get a wight, not a white walker.
which is stupid, because a wight is only evidence of necromancy, something cersei of all people should already be aware of.
VindicatorZ
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Ah I see. And yeah, I don't think a Wight is enough to convince people. They brought a Wight back to the wall in earlier season and the reactiion was just "Hmm ok, what else is happening beyond the wall?"
I think they need to bring a sentient, living (?) White Walker. Which is probably impossible.
hydrophilic attack
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1. They don't known that she is
2. These kind of envoys often arrive in open court sessions. So it would show everyone in court that something is going on in the north. It's likely that they think Cersei would lose support if she ignores this threat
No, they were brought a severed, motionless and decaying hand of a wight. An entire wight, who can still walk, would get a different reaction
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Technically when he went to visit his home, Sam certainly seemed keen at taking their hospitality despite giving everything up. Also he was released to become a Maester.
There is 0% chance of Cersei receiving Tyrion, Jon, and a zombie in open court.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i suppose it might lead to plot mandated loss of support, but we have a queen who is flaunting incest during a losing war, and people seem to be fine with that.
and how are you going to sneak a wight into court? or prove he's one in an army of them led by fairytales?
VindicatorZ
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I also think it's kind of stupid to even try to call for an armistice and get Cersei's help. Fuck Cersei, what is she going to do, send men to fight at the Wall? I don't think any amount of men is going to stop The Night King and the Long Night. Jon knows this. They need Danaerys and her 3 fucking dragons to rain down hellfire on the walkers from above.
Cersei COULD use some Wildfire bombs on the Walkers, but she won't want to because that will be one of her main weapons against Danaerys in the war to come. Cersei ain't gonna give up her Wildfire and then have to give up the throne. She's gonna go down fighting.
Cersei COULD use some Wildfire bombs on the Walkers, but she won't want to because that will be one of her main weapons against Danaerys in the war to come. Cersei ain't gonna give up her Wildfire and then have to give up the throne. She's gonna go down fighting.
bodyofanamerican
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Well, technically to become the new Maester of the Night's Watch to replace Aemon, so that's not REALLY releasing him from his vows.
Latvian Hitman
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You're trying to apply logic and reason to a show that is no longer bound by such things. D&D are in charge of this fucker. There is 0% chance that Cersei, Tyrion, Jon, Dany and a wight are not all in the same place by episode 7. They've already planted that tentpole firmly in the ground.
Yeah but it will be in secret. There is no way they all just walk into the red keep in front of everyone.
VindicatorZ
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and I think Cersei is clearly planning a sort of Red Wedding at court. Kill all of them with Wildfire. Jaime has to stop her and kill her. Hound has to fight the Mountain. Dragons storm in. Euron shows up. Big ass battle going down in the finale at Kings Landing!
They aren't expecting Cersei to contribute, they just don't want Cersei to raze Dragonstone (or Casterly Rock I guess?) while they're off fighting the dead.
Also, they're definitely wrong and this plan won't succeed the way they want it to, even if they do capture a wight. The show doesn't want you to expect any of this to work.
Latvian Hitman
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I don't think that's going to happen. Not unless
HBO has decided to keep any hint of it out of all trailers/promotional footage, which they've never done before with a big battle. I think episode 6 is going to have our last, big setpiece battle of the season. Cersei, Jaime, Euron and co. are rolling over into the final season.
hydrophilic attack
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Send a few men from the watch into court with a giant cage or crate or something
20 good men, and a cage.
VindicatorZ
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This would actually make more sense than Dany, Jon, Tyrion actually going to court with Cersei and risk her killing them all.
Tyrion is pretty much committed to not fighting any more battles. He saw the horror of what happened with the dragon, he saw Dany burn the Tarly's. He isn't interested in seeing that again. Convincing Cersei to surrender, suspend hostilities, give her a way out- bascially anything that doesn't involve dragons burning Kings Landing and thousands of soldiers to dust.
Rad Shadow
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The white walker/wight is totally going to convert cersei, ya?
BuggyDClown
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Dany won't show up, Jon might not either, they'll send others in their stead. So her doing this will only speed up an assault on the red keep by Dany and Co. As they will believe they can not go forward and attack the wights without Cersei hitting them from behind.
It's more like;y that this will work, but Cersei won't contribute to their cause and will continue to build the rift between Jamie and Cersei. She will probably use this opportunity to attack them, and wait until they are marching north. Imagine if Dany and Jon have to battle a war from the North and The South at the same time.
They will be expecting a selll sword army, or Cerseis men to come to their aide, and then instead of the cavalry, they will be fighting for Cersei and not against the Army of The Dead.
-Also is The Mountain basically a Wight?
Or the wall falls down
Not really,they definitely want the whole seven kingdom's armies to unite against the dead, it's implied not even the dragons are enough, and with the way the Night King raises anyone who falls in battle and adds them to his side they are not entirely wrong.
At the same time the watch is already pretty well decimated no? I would think any remaining brothers would have already been kind of pissed at Sam just getting to up and leave the wall, and I don't really think any of them would really be that surprised if he just never came back especially with his father and brother just dying. It's pretty easy to make Sam like not really a watchman that needs to be at the wall constantly, and yeah given he's not all that much of a fighter he honestly doesn't have much need to be at the wall on a constant basis, especially if the white walkers are defeated or at least pushed back indefinitely. He might just be an instance of a watchman who can break his vows with little consequence, much like Jon.
No he is still a brother. Only death can release you from your vows.
If it was that easy the Night King would've catapulted a wight into the wall already or something.
Yeah the bringing a white walker to cersei plot makes zero sense. Do they really think she would even care? She would just say we'll that's what the wall is for, so fuck off. Do they even want to ally with her anyway? She's like the ultimate fucking backstabber and doesn't even have much of an army to stand on. They should be trying to align with Euron, not Cersei. Honestly the plot should OK euron you do your thing, get close to Cersei, and kill her. Then you can be rightful king of the iron islands and you can have a separate state. Help us with the white walkers with your magic fireball fleet and you will forever go down in history as a great hero blah blah blah. You can have whatever wife you want, why bother with this old hag cersei. Jon dying and being released of his vows is such a loophole he might as well still have broken his vows, as for all intents and purposes he's alive. He doesn't just get a free pass for his entire previous life.
BuggyDClown
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Or the destruction of The Wall and the Wights.
But hasn't he broken his vows by boning gilly? Lord commander would likely release him over killing him given his importance to the entire reason the watch even exists.
Every NW member breaks their vows by going to Mole's Town. The only 2 that didn't were Jon and Sam and they both fucked Free Folk.
WrenchNinja
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Night's Watch can't father children. Doesn't say anything about having sex.
Cornballer
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Huge ratings and another record:
TVbtN said:
I doubt whoever put that protection magic to keep dead men from passing the wall would have bothered if the entire wall would crumble if one dead man even attempted it.
lol damn
I can only imagine the increased pandering this last episode will once again make for record-breaking ratings this week.
Latvian Hitman
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Yep- he was not released from his vows. Thing is, I don't know that it matters that much anymore. What used to be the night's watch is now just Edd and a few homies, and they're sitting at Castle Black doing fuck-all while the army of the dead approaches Eastwatch. In truth- Jon's still the LC of the NW. He may have dropped the cloak, the title and left Castle Black, but he's the one ranging north of the wall looking to protect the realms of men from the Others. Assuming that either the wall comes down or the army of the dead gets around it and all hell breaks loose in Westeros, I don't think it's going to matter much who took what vow and when.
Ocarina_117
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I hope she will send Gregor to kill the white walker - perhaps that will show her the threat.
Latvian Hitman
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Given how many people in this thread don't know the difference between a wight and a white walker, I have to wonder how many in the general audience are about to be totally fucking confused by the events of the next two episodes...