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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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Admiral Woofington
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John Dunbar
correct about everything
clarke gets a lot of shit, but i will say this much for her: i can at least believe she has the hots for jon. i am not saying their sexual chemistry is off the charts or anything, but dany clearly wants to play game of bones with jon.
Is it? I never really thought much about the letter until it got brought up. Isn't it strange that Robb deliberately mentions 2 letters and that he left one at winterfell, it seems unnecessarily detailed. That the show then felt the need to bring in a previously unmentioned archive is sort of suspicious.
I don't think it is too much of a leap to think they are connected especially since we know George told D&D all the major plot points he had planned.
Cpt.Underpants
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WITH SCARS IN DA FACE AND ABS
You're going to get push back whenever you say a show plot will be exactly the same in the books. Even when D&D were following published books, things were rarely exactly the same in the show.
Freeza Under The Shower
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I felt that was a meta-gag though, considering the interest in the height differences between the cast (wonder how she'll feel about the Mountain). I did think the later following image of Tyrion standing between dragon giants was a callback to the line on him being a giant back in the first novel and season of the show. But there were a bunch of good environment shots in this episode too, just lacking the story thread a bit. The awkward editing --making it hard to tell what's happening to who-- on the first fight scene seems to be this season's answer to the sand snakes thing.
I did actually like the conversation on 'not knowing' when "You know nothing, Jon Snow" was a popular phrase once. Maybe that's intentional. It does seem like the show really does not want anyone to find out who Jon's actual parents are. The whole game about seems silly now, but it does make sense in that it goes all the way back to Ned, so unless Sam's girlfriend spills the beans in the next episode, I think that's going to be near the end of the show.
I don't think it will play out scene for scene in the same way but now I definitely think the letter is going to be a catalyst for tension between Arya and Sansa. (If the books ever get written)
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i can't even imagine how many books it would take to get sansa and arya back to winterfell.
Sanctuary
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Wow. They just really have an extremely low opinion of their audience. Especially when they're worried that some will think actual real world locations are just CGI effects...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx9dRL1BCCQ
Also, "dozen" implies twelve. Baker's dozen perhaps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx9dRL1BCCQ
Also, "dozen" implies twelve. Baker's dozen perhaps?
Still hoping this is Arya tricking Littlefinger and protecting Sansa, handing the knife over to her sister seemed to be hinting at that.
It's really surreal to go back to the earlier moments like Arya chatting with Tywin or Tyrion when he actually did things, show was so good.
It's really surreal to go back to the earlier moments like Arya chatting with Tywin or Tyrion when he actually did things, show was so good.
Just finished: this episode wasn't outright bad but it was kinda baffling. It's just making me feel increasingly bitter about this show.
Rapidly paced jumping through conversations between the wight hunting group, multiple times, felt like they trying to get all the important conversations out of the way as fast as possible. But... to what end? And why was some of that suddenly said while they were walking and not before they left?
I honestly wish that the show had just claimed teleportation magic was a thing instead of the ridiculous distances people (and dragons, and birds) can apparently immediately cross. It's not a thing I actually care about but it's just increasingly laughable when the show tries to be serious about anything that depends on someone teleporting.
Arya and Sansa stuff is vaguely understandable, but needless. Littlefinger scheming to no clear end beyond apparently wanting to get rid of Arya is just fucking tiring at this point. If you're going to have them fight, could it at least be over, I dunno, him dying and Arya likely having killed him for Sansa's sake or something? That'd at least be somewhat interesting instead of dragging up old (and apparently inaccurate) shit for this drama.
And the fights are still largely boring as hell and edited so you can barely tell who's who. Which I guess was why they kept having literal nobodies die for dramatic effect. On that note, sure do love how the final enemy, who in theory everyone's going to have to team up to deal with, is someone that can only be dealt with by battling like this and not really talked to!
Yeah, if you really wanna defend plot holes you could at least not be hugely ableist in the process.
Rapidly paced jumping through conversations between the wight hunting group, multiple times, felt like they trying to get all the important conversations out of the way as fast as possible. But... to what end? And why was some of that suddenly said while they were walking and not before they left?
I honestly wish that the show had just claimed teleportation magic was a thing instead of the ridiculous distances people (and dragons, and birds) can apparently immediately cross. It's not a thing I actually care about but it's just increasingly laughable when the show tries to be serious about anything that depends on someone teleporting.
Arya and Sansa stuff is vaguely understandable, but needless. Littlefinger scheming to no clear end beyond apparently wanting to get rid of Arya is just fucking tiring at this point. If you're going to have them fight, could it at least be over, I dunno, him dying and Arya likely having killed him for Sansa's sake or something? That'd at least be somewhat interesting instead of dragging up old (and apparently inaccurate) shit for this drama.
And the fights are still largely boring as hell and edited so you can barely tell who's who. Which I guess was why they kept having literal nobodies die for dramatic effect. On that note, sure do love how the final enemy, who in theory everyone's going to have to team up to deal with, is someone that can only be dealt with by battling like this and not really talked to!
Yeah, if you really wanna defend plot holes you could at least not be hugely ableist in the process.
Admiral Woofington
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I should probabyl say that while it's not Season 5 level, I really liked this episode.
Winterfell plot aside of course. Everybody would be happy if Littlefinger died already.
Winterfell plot aside of course. Everybody would be happy if Littlefinger died already.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Lets not get crazy here
It's just the same as in season 6 when Arya was strolling like the dumbest person alive out in the open in Bravoos with an assassin cult behind her, and she gets stabbed a million times and the whole thing was so dumb the whole internet spend pages and pages of speculation that it wasn't really Arya, that it was Jaqen, that she really was not that hurt and was just luring the Waif into a trap, etc, etc, etc people even saw the freaking shadow of Syrio Forell in the preview photos lol, all of this until things turned out to be just as dumb as they were expected.
I'm just saying I'm not holding my breath for this to be any different.
Posted?
The director of Thor 2 The Dark World and Terminator Genisys fucking OWNED GAF's shitty hot takes: http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-pace-criticism-director-alan-taylor-653038
Suck it haters, etc.
The director of Thor 2 The Dark World and Terminator Genisys fucking OWNED GAF's shitty hot takes: http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-pace-criticism-director-alan-taylor-653038
Suck it haters, etc.
Lol.
That's a really solid point. I should probably get around to reading her recaps, hah.
Dusk Soldier
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No that doesn't make sense. You can't send a raven to someone on the road. They can only be sent to Castles.
I don't feel like rewatching the episode but I believe Sansa's letter was the one Robb and Theon read before telling Luwin to call all the banners. Luwin could have made a carbon copy of it either before giving it to Robb, or before Robb left with it, which was why they threw in the line about him keeping thorough records.
LOL
When anyone from the show pulls the "but dragons" excuse you know what they truly think about the source material, and it obviously shows.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Actually now that you mention it having an "alarm" wight in a small detachment isnt a bad idea, tactics wise.
Night King was really thinking ahead.
Maybe put the protractor and ruler down and just enjoy the show?!!?!?!?!?!?! HUURRRRRR?
Lmao.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Wasnt there someone in this thread that literally measured how fast it would take to reach eastwatch from dragonstone
Is the director lurking? Has he been summoned by all the thor 2 polls?
D&D couldn't even remember that Sam was a POV character in the books, I doubt they remembered this small little passage.
I can't believe we're still talking about this minor point. I'm going to be so bummed when GoT is over.
The letter Robb read was sent to Winterfell, addressed to him, and in Sansa's handwriting. The letter Arya found was sent to Winterfell, addressed to Robb, and in Sansa's handwriting. It's not a copy. The only reason this makes sense is if Cercei made Sansa write two identical letters to the same person at the same address. Possible? Sure. But hardly likely.
Wait a second. Is this true? This can't be true.
Didn't Robb bone someone to get over losing his brothers.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Wow. It's popular therefore it's good. Strong argument.
The full quote is:
Presumably this means upending the political order of Westeros and the great houses. What would replace that would seemingly have to be more power for the small folk and lesser houses. Interestingly House Targaryen is included in the wheel.
Dusk Soldier
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Well actually, it is very likely that Sansa would have been made to write several copies.
Historically, messenger birds were considered an unreliable method of sending messages. Birds could get lost or attacked by predators on route, or intercepted by enemies. For this reason it was common for people to make several copies of messages they sent, as well they didn't use that method to send private or secret information.
Today you learned.
The Artisan
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well she took her hand off at the end, didn't she
ForkNetwork
Banned
Kinda funny how weak Season 4 was when it came out, and now that seasons 5-7 happened they made Season 4 look like Citizen Kane in comparison
Not really? I remember very positive reactions for S4. That's the one with Viper and the Mountain, Watchers on the Wall, and then Brienne vs Hound in the finale and Tyrion shooting Tywin right? Very strong finish. S5 and S7 are weaker, but S6 was probably the high point of the entire series.
Stability and peace from strength.
Thats the only thing I could think of (something who is barely following the show and is more of a fan of the books).
Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald admitted today that they had thought Martin was holding D&D back and they now realize how very wrong they were. Even non-readers are catching on.
Has this been in the show?
Has this been in the show?
Sanctuary
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Yes. Seasons one and six were the best (season eight has yet to be seen, but it's doubtful to have better logic than this season). Hard to say which was better of the two.
Dany has no idea what "breaking the wheel" means. It's just a slogan; she doesn't have any political program beyond taking the throne and ruling as best she can.
You better just Bend the Knee.
The Artisan
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that is likely, but i hope the showrunners will pay very close attention to the natural storytelling criticisms that s7 is facing so that the final season will avoid most if not all of it.
it would help if every episode is also 2 hours long.
The scripts for Season 8 are already written.
The amount of times they've said bend the knee already... reminded me of was it Skyrim when people kept saying arrow in the knee. Even Tyrion, you are the future of your house, don't be a fool, BEND THE KNEE.
Scripts can be revised. They don't even start shooting until October, they haven't announced any directors yet.
She still has two dragons she can burn you with, so just go with it.
WrenchNinja
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https://youtu.be/c7hnxRBD2oU
Was rewatching this scene and yeah, yknow the whole Arya grilling into Sansa thing doesn't bother me as much now no matter how dumb and pointless it is to do at this point
Was rewatching this scene and yeah, yknow the whole Arya grilling into Sansa thing doesn't bother me as much now no matter how dumb and pointless it is to do at this point
It's pretty much Make Westeros Great Again, isn't it.
Atraveller
Banned
What a hack!