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[bigedole]

Yeah I remember playing this game last season. No way Arya is that dumb. She couldn't have just gotten stabbed in the middle of the open, bled all over, and somehow survive. It has to be a trick! She's playing the waif! It's a con!

..........Wait no she really just got stabbed because she was drawing attention to herself for no reason, and she really did survive because of plot armor, and then she proceeds to beat the waif because... the story needed her to. There was no con. No trick. Just bad writing!

One take on this that I read on reddit is that Arya did have a plan to use herself as bait for the Waif, as we see her stash the sword before she goes strolling through the docks, but that she was caught unawares on the bridge and had to improvise the rest. She does eventually lead her to the hideout, take out the lights and kill her with the sword, and I think it's reasonable to suggest that was the original plan. Probably without the stabbing part.

An important point, I think the show makes an effort to show our "good guy" characters failing at different parts in their stories, but they always learn from their mistakes if they survive the encounters. There's examples of this for every main character. What we're seeing from Arya now is probably her learning from her mistakes in handling the Waif. I'm solidly in the she's playing LF hard right now camp. It would be poor writing otherwise (random meanness to Sansa, being caught doing simple stealth things, etc), but it's not like that's impossible, so guess we'll see on Sunday

 

[Brakke]

It's not really a spoiler to speculate that Dany and Jon are going to bone down next episode lol. Jon's out here this ep testing out pet names for his bae.

 

[Ganzlinger]

A naturally-slow writer, he works on an antiquated word processor, using one finger to type, he only works from home, takes time off, works on other projects, and so on.

What the fuck

 

[Gunslinger]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

 

[John Dunbar]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

having a villain with no personality or even well defined aims* tends to do that.

*except when throwing ice lances at dragons

 

[TankUP]

Since they are going full fan-service, why hasn't Tirion tamed and ridden a Dragon yet? Other than maybe some Maester somewhere, no one alive knows more about dragons than (book) Tirion. Viserion needs to, like, remember he loves his mom or something so we get Jon, Dany and Tirion 3-musketering over the land spitting hot fire over all their enemies.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

In the first episode of this series, one WW was enough to massacre a small patrol. Now they are just common fodder.

 

[Madness]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

The gray nuance to villains and heroes is gone. It is pretty much black and white going forward, almost cartoonish at times.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

the white walkers just took down a dragon

something not even cersei could do

not only that but all the fights with them have ended in retreat while the WW numbers only grow in size

they're a huge threat

 

[dabig2]

In the first episode of this series, one WW was enough to massacre a small patrol. Now they are just common fodder.

They're now dying to single slashes and stabs which kinda sucks. And now we know that killing a WW brings down many of their turned wrights too and killing a WW isn't hard either as long as they're not hiding behind thousands of the undead. John merc'd that 1 WW with relative ease. Like he died almost as quickly as a fodder.

They should've turned Karl Fooking Tanner into a WW. He'd kick Jon's ass again.

 

[John Dunbar]

i have the attention span of a small child, so can someone quickly clarify something for me: are wights as well as white walkers vulnerable to dragonglass, and the reason the fellowship could one-shot wights was because their weapons were made of dragonglass? because wights, as far as i can remember, can't really be killed with normal weapons. the very first time we saw one fight, when it attacked jeor in season one, the wight could be stabbed multiple times and it didn't care. and why would it? it's dead. but now they all seem to go down as if the fellowship has reached lvl. 70 and come back to troll newbies in the starting area.

wights being vulnerable to dragonglass doesn't make any sense, though. why would a reanimated mass of dead meat be affected just because it kills white walkers?

 

[rashbeep]

the white walkers just took down a dragon

something not even cersei could do

not only that but all the fights with them have ended in retreat while the WW numbers only grow in size

they're a huge threat

While this is all true, it does feel like the wights have been nerfed. Seems like they can go down way easier now when in s1 one wight almost took out jon and jeor.

 

[Danielsan]

Finally saw episode 6. Lots of hype from everyone, and it some cool moments for sure, but it's become kind of annoying to see almost everyone covered in plot armour. The battle with the wights should have been a short one. They would have overrun Jon and his crew in a matter of minutes, instead they somehow make a stand against a couple of thousands of wights who come at them in convenient waves. Not to mention Daenerys just teleporting all over the place with her dragons and Benjamin Stark's ridiculous arrival and sacrificing himself for no reason at all.

 

[Syrus]

Finally saw episode 6. Lots of hype from everyone, and it some cool moments for sure, but it's become kind of annoying to see almost everyone covered in plot armour. The battle with the wights should have been a short one. They would have overrun Jon and his crew in a matter of minutes, instead they somehow make a stand against a couple of thousands of wights who come at them in convenient waves. Not to mention Daenerys just teleporting all over the place with her dragons and Benjamin Stark's ridiculous arrival and sacrificing himself for no reason at all.

...they have dragonglase now

 

[Syrus]

Finally saw episode 6. Lots of hype from everyone, and it some cool moments for sure, but it's become kind of annoying to see almost everyone covered in plot armour. The battle with the wights should have been a short one. They would have overrun Jon and his crew in a matter of minutes, instead they somehow make a stand against a couple of thousands of wights who come at them in convenient waves. Not to mention Daenerys just teleporting all over the place with her dragons and Benjamin Stark's ridiculous arrival and sacrificing himself for no reason at all.

Or is the night king a greenseer and waited for dany?

 

[BuggyDClown]

Or is the night king a greenseer and waited for dany?

This.

 

[Gigglepoo]

An important point, I think the show makes an effort to show our "good guy" characters failing at different parts in their stories, but they always learn from their mistakes if they survive the encounters. There's examples of this for every main character.

Jon certainly isn't learning anything. He fought Ramsay even though his side was grossly outnumbered and in that battle he ran ahead of everyone to take on the army by himself.

This week he went north once again severely outnumbered and then broke ranks to single-handedly fight the undead army by himself.

No reason to learn when you don plot armor. It would be much easier to believe Arya is playing Littlefinger if they had one scene together. She knows when people lie by looking them in the eyes when they talk. But that hasn't happened.

In the first episode of this series, one WW was enough to massacre a small patrol. Now they are just common fodder.

Jon has a VS sword.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Finally saw episode 6. Lots of hype from everyone, and it some cool moments for sure, but it's become kind of annoying to see almost everyone covered in plot armour. The battle with the wights should have been a short one. They would have overrun Jon and his crew in a matter of minutes, instead they somehow make a stand against a couple of thousands of wights who come at them in convenient waves. Not to mention Daenerys just teleporting all over the place with her dragons and Benjamin Stark's ridiculous arrival and sacrificing himself for no reason at all.

Benjen Stark's appearance looked like it came straight out of a card game, with Jon summoning his sacrifice to escape. lol

 

[BreezyLimbo]

While this is all true, it does feel like the wights have been nerfed. Seems like they can go down way easier now when in s1 one wight almost took out jon and jeor.

Eh, it's the natural Supernatural* curve.

*In Supernatural, the boys Dean and Sam would take down baddies, and the biggest bad of them were Demons, who could easily 1v2 the boys and were huge threats since they were hard to take down.

Skip forward 5-6 seasons, and not only have the demons become fodder, but the boy shave taken out Angels, Gods, etc.

So it's a natural power curve.

 

[Bounceounce]

Sam's first and last chapter in Storm are two of the best in the series.
The repetition that begins and ends his first chapter>>>>>
The politicking that ends his laugh, I always imagine Sam delivering that last line as one of those scenes in a show where the camera rotates and the scene faces out on the person talking, like Tyrion in Season 2 with his plan on the small council kind of.

 

[gspec]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

Jon has a valyrian (dragon) steel sword which is able to kill White Walkers. The First war against the WW thousands years ago, the first men didn't have Valyran steel weapons or dragons. They did have dragon glass.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

Yeah, they're not scary at all. A handful of men held off how many of them? Killed how many? Barely wearing any armor, either. And they didn't have any ranged weapons.

They're fucking idiots, as well. Would they have just stood there for weeks until a rock was thrown and they realized they could stand on the ice again? Does the Night King really just not care about losing hundreds of men as they plummet into the water? They clearly care (why) for each other, given how much they wanted the captive back (WHY), but guess the Night King is a stone cold general.

It's just unclear what they're "good" at besides making the dead rise and turn into inferior soldiers or pulling magical weapons out of their asses.

I realize thinking logically about fighting an army of the dead is silly, especially in this show, but it feels like a huge oversight that GRRM wouldn't make. The show undead army feels like it wouldn't stand a chance against any trained army in Westeros in armor, using ranged weapons, heavy weapons, catapults, FIRE, cavalry, etc.

 

[Aiii]

Or is the night king a greenseer and waited for dany?

Then why didn't he kill all the dragons the second she flew over the hills. After all he already knew which direction they came from, when they would appear and which of the three would have the rider that saved all the enemies.

I mean, he all foresaw this already. Both the king and queen of his opposing forces coming and ready to kill. He saw it all, right? How Jon Snow would sink in freezing water in full heavy clothing and manage to survive, too, right?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Then why didn’t he kill all the dragons the second she flew over the hills. After all he already knew which direction they came from, when they would appear and which of the three would have the rider that saved all the enemies.

I mean, he all foresaw this already. Both the king and queen of his opposing forces coming and ready to kill. He saw it all, right? How Jon Snow would sink in freezing water in full heavy clothing and manage to survive, too, right?

Most likely because of the prophecy of the 3 dragon riders must be met

 

[Aiii]

Most likely because of the prophecy of the 3 dragon riders must be met

Or. He is not a greenseer and it was just bad writing.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Benjen Stark's appearance looked like it came straight out of a card game, with Jon summoning his sacrifice to escape. lol

And then his death is straight out of Austin Powers.

"There's no time!"

*stands*
*watches Jon ride away*
*slowly takes out weapon*
*overrun and dies*

 

[Ros8105]

And then his death is straight out of Austin Powers.

"There's no time!"

*stands*
*watches Jon ride away*
*slowly takes out weapon*
*overrun and dies*

He should've said "I will only slow you down"
or something cheesy like that. It would still be dumb, but less so.

 

[Apt101]

Up until last season the show was like the product of a terroir: the source material, input from GRRM, all of the factors of adaptation from budget to multiple production units spread across Europe, and fan-related aspects like responding to feedback and engaging it.

Last season they weren't quite entirely on their own, but they were limping towards that point. Now that they're back to basically writing TV off the cuff it feels a lot more traditional. Time is subjective. Every episode needs fan service to string viewers along, and each cliffhanger needs to be more urgent than the last.

I am enjoying it, but being honest, it has fallen so far so fast.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Or. He is not a greenseer and it was just bad writing.

I mean, the Night King has proven to have some omnipresence.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Jon has a VS sword.

It's not about the weapon, the WW from the first episode was fast and strong enough to clash and break his defence. The WWs were nerfed.

 

[Anton Sugar]

He should've said "I will only slow you down"
or something cheesy like that. It would still be dumb, but less so.

This is, in fact, what I assume they wanted to convey, that the horse wouldn't make it or something. Maybe.

 

[Gigglepoo]

So Jon died in the water, was resurrected by the Night King, and was able to cross through the wall because the wildings helped him through, right?

 

[Madness]

Or. He is not a greenseer and it was just bad writing.

This. It is hilarious at the people thinking this was some elaborate ruse by the Night King. He wasn't waiting for dragons. He was seeing that 7 people are surrounded by 100,000 of his men with a lake that is brittle. It is why the second Hound threw that rock and it slid and showed the ice had refrozen, they started walking.

He is not a greenseer. It is just the writing and also budget. Same reason Rhaegal was gone from the shots as soon as Viserion dropped.

He may have some kind of power in that he knows when Bran is warging, his mark. But he did not know where the three eyed raven was or that there was a back door etc. Hearing D&D talk about this episode, for them it is more about fan service and making it look cool now than anything else. That was the only reason this exact group of people was even beyond the wall.

 

[gspec]

Most likely because of the prophecy of the 3 dragon riders must be met

There is no prophecy about 3 dragon riders. House Targaryen has family motto 'Fire and Blood' but they also have 'The Dragon has three heads'. Which means they need at least three Targaryens for the family to function properly and be successful.

 

[Cornballer]

If you'd like to take a break from bickering, check out:

- Honest Retro TV Themes! w/ Michael Bolton & Friends (youtube vid)

(House) Bolton sings a Retro GoT theme at about the 3:15 mark.

 

[pablito]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

White Walkers would get murked if they fought 1v1 against warrirors with weapons that could kill them.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

There is no prophecy about 3 dragon riders. House Targaryen has family motto 'Fire and Blood' but they also have 'The Dragon has three heads'. Which means they need at least three Targaryens for the family to function properly and be successful.

well you know what I meant

Westeros will be heeled by the Night King, Dany, and Jon. Then Jon and Dany will beat the Night King.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

So Jon died in the water, was resurrected by the Night King, and was able to cross through the wall because the wildings helped him through, right?

Nah. Jon is the ice prince since he came back from the dead before. Dany is fire.


We gonna have some water baby.

 

[Ocarina_117]

I always felt Jon only killed the white walker at hardhome as he took him by surprise with the VS blade.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Nah. Jon is the ice prince since he came back from the dead before. Dany is fire.


We gonna have some water baby.

That baby is going to be born with bright blue eyes.

 

[Harmen]

I always felt Jon only killed the white walker at hardhome as he took him by surprise with the VS blade.

Since then he took another one with relative ease. What also helps that they seem to shatter wherever they are hit, unlike injured humans, who can still fight.

 

[fanboi]

Nah. Jon is the ice prince since he came back from the dead before. Dany is fire.


We gonna have some water baby.

We can be certain it will be steamy and sweaty.

 

[dabig2]

It's not about the weapon, the WW from the first episode was fast and strong enough to clash and break his defence. The WWs were nerfed.

I think to balance out the kryptonite, they need to make the WWs far superior physically to any man. Parrying a blow from them should not be easy, especially if the NK himself is strong enough to hurl a spear like that. They did it right the wright polar bear. Jon tried to swing at it and it brushed him aside like he was a child. Jon was out of the fight after that and the bear went on to kill some more fodder including Thoros, while on fire, before being taken out by the dagger.

Taking on a WW should be a team effort that could still go either way, not a moderately easy 10 second fight 1v1. Because otherwise, I'm only getting hyped for more undead polar bears, undead giants, and the undead dragon - provided those guys don't themselves go down instantly from dragonglass or VS.

 

[The Artisan]

or

Spoiler

rhaegar and lyanna

but that might be giving them a bit too much credit

if that does turn out to be the case though, are you gonna give them that credit?

That's exactly what's going down.

destiny will be fulfilled

 

[Syrus]

I think to balance out the kryptonite, they need to make the WWs far superior physically to any man. Parrying a blow from them should not be easy, especially if the NK himself is strong enough to hurl a spear like that. They did it right the wright polar bear. Jon tried to swing at it and it brushed him aside like he was a child. Jon was out of the fight after that and the bear went on to kill some more fodder including Thoros, while on fire, before being taken out by the dagger.

Taking on a WW should be a team effort that could still go either way, not a moderately easy 10 second fight 1v1. Because otherwise, I'm only getting hyped for more undead polar bears, undead giants, and the undead dragon - provided those guys don't themselves go down instantly from dragonglass or VS.

Jon is also a much more skilled fighter since then too. The WW were still only human begore turned. They dont suddenly become master swordsman because they are WW.

Cant wait for Jon n Dany hook up. I feel thisnseason at least have handled their relationship well

 

[labx]

I have bad news for you


http://deadline.com/2017/08/game-of...ylor-beyond-the-wall-season-7-hbo-1202152264/

I have no words. Damn. So Martin is aboard with the romance of the nephew and aunt? Welp.

 

[H.Cornerstone]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

Keep in mind that is only because Jon has a Valyrian Steel sword. A normal sword would be broken instantly versus a White Walker

 

[Fuzzy]

I have no words. Damn. So Martin is aboard with the romance of the nephew and aunt? Welp.

Why does this surprise anyone? His original idea was a love triangle between Arya/Jon/Tyrion for fucks sake.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Why does this surprise anyone? His original idea was a love triangle between Arya/Jon/Tyrion for fucks sake.

I thought A Song of Ice and Fire meant Jon and Dany were going to form a band.

 

[Faddy]

Anyone feel like the show is not doing a poor work trying to set up the white walkers as a legitimate threat? Even Cersei seems more threatening that the white walkers. Also Jon snow taking down two general like nothing kind makes the white walkers not so threatening.

Sam killed one pretty much by accident. The Night King needs to get himself a master-at-arms and teach his generals how to wield a blade.

Barristan Selmy's corpse is available...