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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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I thought it was rather rad. The results were largely to be expected, but the road there was well-shot and memorable. Pilou Asbaek sold it all the way to the park, the atmosphere was lush, the quick cuts (both figuratively and literally) kept the tension going.
That sort of is what looked like what happening. A bunch of fucked up ships on fire. And they did show Euron's ship crashing right into Yara's, apparently he just built the biggest and best invincible ships in like 0 time somehow with no resources.
What I didn't understand is what the fuck kind of fireballs where they using to burn yara's fleet, how were they so accurate and powerful, and why the fuck do dragons even matter?
That shit burned down ships far quicker than Dany's dragons.
Gunslinger
Member
Lmaooooo.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Who else thought Qyburn's plan would be a reanimated dragon skeleton?
Then like, nah CGI budget, big fuck off crossbow.
Then like, nah CGI budget, big fuck off crossbow.
Veritigo_X
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I was expecting him to say "we found this horn..."
John Dunbar
correct about everything
did they build just one giant crossbow or is that like the sample copy?
Episode wasn't bad. I like Sam being Sam even if the Jorah cure was contrived. It doesn't matter. The show's almost like a medieval, portentous version of the Fast series.
The Arya scenes were cute and well acted. The Greyjoy battle was whatever but at least the more annoying Sand Snakes are dead. I loved Conleth Hill's performance.
With exception to choking Littlefinger, the Jon scenes have been duds. Though I don't fault Kit Harington for that. Admittedly, I miss Lord Commander Jon.
I need more Rory McCann in my life. Every GoT episode is improved by his presence.
The Arya scenes were cute and well acted. The Greyjoy battle was whatever but at least the more annoying Sand Snakes are dead. I loved Conleth Hill's performance.
With exception to choking Littlefinger, the Jon scenes have been duds. Though I don't fault Kit Harington for that. Admittedly, I miss Lord Commander Jon.
I need more Rory McCann in my life. Every GoT episode is improved by his presence.
The explanation is the same as Ramsay's 20 good men: the writers are absolutely godawful at writing villains who aren't over-the-top Villain Sues. Every new bad guy now must be ludicrously evil and capable of impossible resource usage.
That one minute of Nym probably already took too much.
And good bye Sand Snakes, we hardly knew ye.
It seemed they deliberately made their lines super bad and then killed them like they're saying *Hey remember these awful characters? They're dead now, you're welcome"
Allforce
Member
This is exactly what I thought. Then the reveal was a real head-scratcher.
They haven't discovered crossbow technology at this point?
#Ashes
I liked this episode, even if some of the dialogue was clunky. Cersei, Dany, and Jon all planing their next moves gets me excited to see what happens this season. Hard to believe we are on the verge of Dany and Jon actually meeting. Jaime's parlay with Tarly, and Arya meeting Hot Pie again were stand out scenes.
We badly need a Citadel spinoff. Though sadly it looks like Jorah isn't getting the lava arm (or is he?).
The last scene... honestly I couldn't tell what the hell was going on most of the time. It was so dark, the music was awkward, and the jump cuts made my head spin. I actually laughed when they killed off some of the Sand Snakes. I suppose Ellaria, the worst person of all time, is getting got next episode. Hail Queen Cersei. I'm glad Theon got some attention this season since he didn't get the spotlight at all last year. He has one of the most fascinating arcs in the entire series, especially in the books, so I hope there is a good conclusion to his story.
The trinity will finally be in the same room next episode, we've finally reached this point in the story/fanfiction. And Davos will be there. With Mel! We just need Gendry to roll up to have the greatest scene in the series.
I liked this episode, even if some of the dialogue was clunky. Cersei, Dany, and Jon all planing their next moves gets me excited to see what happens this season. Hard to believe we are on the verge of Dany and Jon actually meeting. Jaime's parlay with Tarly, and Arya meeting Hot Pie again were stand out scenes.
We badly need a Citadel spinoff. Though sadly it looks like Jorah isn't getting the lava arm (or is he?).
The last scene... honestly I couldn't tell what the hell was going on most of the time. It was so dark, the music was awkward, and the jump cuts made my head spin. I actually laughed when they killed off some of the Sand Snakes. I suppose Ellaria, the worst person of all time, is getting got next episode. Hail Queen Cersei. I'm glad Theon got some attention this season since he didn't get the spotlight at all last year. He has one of the most fascinating arcs in the entire series, especially in the books, so I hope there is a good conclusion to his story.
The trinity will finally be in the same room next episode, we've finally reached this point in the story/fanfiction. And Davos will be there. With Mel! We just need Gendry to roll up to have the greatest scene in the series.
Cpt.Underpants
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Odd that Melly didn't mention Jon got murdered and ended up resurrecting him to dany
Technically that would be a ballista, not a crossbow.
Anyway I think they just stole this idea from the Hobbit movies.
They have - Robb definitely saw a lot of bolts and Joffrey had one as a toy. That's a dragon killing bolt thrower though and they've set out to make a lot of them. I was expecting Euron's gift to be the horn but it seems it's gonna be sand.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Tyrion had magical green fire, Cersei a big ass crossbow. I'd be pissed if I was her, the only thing close to Bard that she has is missing a hand.
He knows they do triple damage against flying units.
I figure he'll end up killing Euron. Though overcoming with his own trauma by murder doesn't sound super satisfying.
There was so much good with this episode but one thing very bad with it too.
The plotting, tactics, political discussion and characters we want to interact teasing their interactions were all really great. Hell even the Grey Worm/Missandei scene which normally I would have scoffed at was actually more emotional than I expected it to be. Arya seeing Nymeria was a poetic moment. Dany confronting Varys was actually quite tense and well written. It was all good stuff, felt like classic Game of Thrones to me.
However the last scene was pretty cliche, predictable, and poorly directed/edited. The effects and visuals were striking and well done, the fire on the ships and choreography was actually really well done. The problem came with the way the scene played out and the way it was edited. It was incredibly predictable, tried to develop a character I have all but lost interest in (Theon), potentially will end up in killing off a character I've grown fond of (Yara), and gave Euron ridiculous plot armor. It was fun, but felt like it could have been done at least somewhat differently to make it feel less forced, maybe have a scene discussing why Euron knew where they were to ambush them, maybe have Euron stay back and join in the aftermath. I'm not sure, but I felt it could have been slightly tweaked and been all the better for it.
The plotting, tactics, political discussion and characters we want to interact teasing their interactions were all really great. Hell even the Grey Worm/Missandei scene which normally I would have scoffed at was actually more emotional than I expected it to be. Arya seeing Nymeria was a poetic moment. Dany confronting Varys was actually quite tense and well written. It was all good stuff, felt like classic Game of Thrones to me.
However the last scene was pretty cliche, predictable, and poorly directed/edited. The effects and visuals were striking and well done, the fire on the ships and choreography was actually really well done. The problem came with the way the scene played out and the way it was edited. It was incredibly predictable, tried to develop a character I have all but lost interest in (Theon), potentially will end up in killing off a character I've grown fond of (Yara), and gave Euron ridiculous plot armor. It was fun, but felt like it could have been done at least somewhat differently to make it feel less forced, maybe have a scene discussing why Euron knew where they were to ambush them, maybe have Euron stay back and join in the aftermath. I'm not sure, but I felt it could have been slightly tweaked and been all the better for it.
Red Arremer
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The arch maester in the Citadel scenes remind me a bit of Doctor Cox from Scrubs.
AndrewDean84xX
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In the entire fleet, Euron is in the leading ship and happens to board (of all the ships) that one?
Is that just bad writing?
Is that just bad writing?
Cpt.Underpants
Member
So...the entire Martell line has been wiped off the map? Who's taking over Dorne now?
Veritigo_X
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Him killing the Sand Snakes? Or is that fan service?
It's the best argument she has
It would be if Greyjoys (specifically one like Euron who has crew members who are questionably human and a hoard of magic trinkets) don't get raging boners over the thought of dying at sea during a raid and going to see their Drowned God.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Is it safe to assume that this season we see the settling of the seven kingdoms and next year is the war in the North against the night king?
Yeah you really have to not think about the whole fight scene too much. It's all style and no substance. Euron sails through a storm and takes their entire fleet by surprise. Asha's fleet doesn't see them until they're ramming her ship. This is either a twenty good men moment or we are going to see Euron the warlock pirate who went to Essos and even deeper into Valyria. I hope they do. It's not too late.
Red Arremer
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Ellaria and Badpussy are still alive. Though I think Badpussy's days at least are numbered.
Veritigo_X
Member
Give him blue lips! Something a little more exciting than "rock star pirate".
I loved that line. Only funny thing Ellaria has said since Pedro Pascal was still setting her up for her own punchlines.
TimeEffect
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Oh dammit, Im in the wrong thread.
How do I delete this thread from showing up at all :/
How do I delete this thread from showing up at all :/
Gunslinger
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I think the two remaining Dorne characters are going to get the Lannister treatment next week.
Veritigo_X
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Was it Badpussy that said she wanted the Mountain? She might get what she wants.
I wouldn't assume anything, really. It seems relatively likely, but at the same time, there's something to be said for leaving politics unsettled and letting the endgame threat roll over it like the nothingness Jon knows it to be.
I'm still really hoping that Euron's insane luck between knowing their location, having the mists and the winds right where he needed them, etc, is all just a slow roll out of his magic, and they're saving the big reveal of it for some major twist, but I also have zero faith that they're above having it just be really good luck, and that Euron is just 20 good men all in one character.
Having a day to process this one has kind of soured me on it. The battle was impressive production-wise, with the ships and fires and all the extras, but it was a mess of rapid cuts, other than the very good final lingering shot of Silence sailing off. It almost felt self-aware that killing off some Sand Snakes would earn it some plaudits from fans, which, when you're trying to boost engagement by killing off characters you fucked up so badly that fans want them gone, you're in a bad place. (Also, man, I feel bad for those actresses, because having now seen those characters to completion, I think it's pretty safe to say that there was not a single scene written for them that would have allowed them to sell those characters, and so they got assigned really brutal deaths to get everyone out of the mess they were in)
Sam's stuff is a poorly thought out deus ex machina, as is Qyburn's ballista. Olenna/Dany and Jaime/Randyll were decent scenes, but all of the other monarchs-holding-court stuff was fairly uninspired retreads of stuff we've already seen. I will say giving Olenna some of the "be a dragon" stuff from Dany's book hallucinations was good, especially if her early defeats here in this episode are going to push her to go more all out.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now on the Nymeria scene, and assume that's set-up for something later, because otherwise it managed to use the weight of a season 1 callback to stir up some emotions, but otherwise was pretty weak, and needed the after-the-episode interview to explain what they were even really going for with it.
I guess the big thing is they seem to mostly be riding their budget and the impact of things that have been set up for years to carry the show now, rather than any interesting writing or character development. And, I mean, it's possible that this story just really has an uninteresting end game, and that everything has been so heavily foreshadowed and set-up that the end is going to feel kind of static if you've been paying attention, but it's also possible that they just don't have a good feel for how to progress these characters anymore without the book to guide them.
Also, this episode just didn't have a scene the quality of episode 1's Hound stuff to carry it. The Hound is the one character who really still feels dynamic right now.
Latvian Hitman
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So....ballistas weren't a thing back in Aegon the Conquerer's day? I mean, nobody thought of that until now? Seems mighty lazy to me.
Also, hitting a flying dragon with one of those things would be nigh impossible. You'd either need a bunch of them firing into an area, or you'd need to ground/immobilize the dragon somehow so you could actually have time to aim a shot at it.
Also, hitting a flying dragon with one of those things would be nigh impossible. You'd either need a bunch of them firing into an area, or you'd need to ground/immobilize the dragon somehow so you could actually have time to aim a shot at it.
Robdraggoo
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Have you seen the Hobbit movies? 1 man and 1 child can do it
Never read/scene the hobbit eh?
Cpt.Underpants
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When Aegon began his conquest on Dorne one of his sister/wife's dragons got hit by it. Her dragon died but the rider's whereabouts are unknown, presumed dead. Until he received a letter but Aegon didn't reveal the content of the letter, he ended up burning it and it kinda temporarily stopped his attempts on bringing Dorne to the fold.
Veritigo_X
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In real life, ballistas were used a lot during the Roman Ages but were sort of phased out by the Middle Ages in favor of trebuchets. I can imagine something similar happened in the GOT world, it's been awhile since they've needed to fight dragons.
cj_iwakura
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I hate loving episodes as a book reader, makes me feel like a pariah. I really enjoyed it.