He returned after taking back Riverrun from the Blackfish. Not like he had anywhere else to go.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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He returned after taking back Riverrun from the Blackfish. Not like he had anywhere else to go.
We got this far and you still think succession matters? The event that kicks off the whole damn story is Robert overthrowing the Targaryens and proving that succession doesn't matter.
Tyrion directly said in this episode that the Lannisters have long been the true power in Westeros. People stick with the Lannisters because they think Lannister will win. Would you revolt against the lady that just successfully murdered all her enemies? Girl's got a zombie walking around town crushing skulls that so much as gossip against her. A bunch of people see who she is and joined Dany against her; a bunch of people see who she is and want to ride her coattails for their own gain; most people are just dang scared of her.
"Lancel and Kettleblack and Moonboy for all I know." or whatever was the line that Jaime dwells on. Book-Cersei boned a bunch of knuckle-draggers to get them to be thugs for her. Two dudes named Kettleblack, one (or both?) of which ends up Kingsguard. Plus Lancel of course, and she also bones down with a lady who definitely won't end up on the show.
At one point, she bones or promises to bone one of the Kettleblack bros as payment for him seducing Margery. Cersei's really surprised it doesn't work, she doesn't realize she's the hoeiest ho in all of Westeros.
isaacnukem
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Euron surviving all that is so darn frustrating.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
That was an underwhelming episode for me.
It was great to get an extended look at naked Missandei, I like seeing what is going on with super smart Sam and even the Jon snow stuff is interesting, but I do worry that the episodes are moving too slowly.
It was great to get an extended look at naked Missandei, I like seeing what is going on with super smart Sam and even the Jon snow stuff is interesting, but I do worry that the episodes are moving too slowly.
If this was season 3, we'd have 3 more seasons of him blowing up ships before someone finally fed him to a shark.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
the shows moving at breakneck speeds!
Before it would take half a season to get somewhere. (Preview spoilers)
Before it would take half a season to get somewhere. (Preview spoilers)
JONS ALREADY GOING TO MEET DANY. THAT'S ALL TIME TELEPORTATION!
That's GoT in a nutshell since season (2?): eight episodes of slow preparation for things to come, one for a random battle that doesn't change much the plot but it's nice to see, one episode to resolve everything and their mothers.
Yeah, considering how the entirety of Dorne was OK with taking out the last member of their 1000 year old dynasty so easily, it's to be expected.
Eh, kinda. The pretext behind giving Robert Kingship over in the books instead of say Jon Arryn or Ned Stark was his distant relation to a Targaryen princess. Of course that's bullshit, but the idea presented was that you have to package things towards people in a way they would be comfortable accepting.
Cersei in the show basically fucked over the entire religion of the country, no source of new wealth since the mines aren't producing, and is just talking about killing her enemies. I get they're doing a Mad King parallel, but logically it makes no sense why none of the other 4 kingdoms and Dany aren't pushing her illegitimacy as a reason to dispose of her.
They also sort of knows the Lannisters line is at an end, so will probably line themselves up to take over when Cersei's gone.
Euron's stealth ships is just the dumbest thing.
This should used to be SMARTER than that. It would have devoted screen time, characterization, geography, and foreshadowing to set up Euron's ability to get the jump on his niece's fleet.
Like... how did this entire fleet of boats not see another fleet of boats until they were being fired on? How did Euron know where they were? Stupid.
This should used to be SMARTER than that. It would have devoted screen time, characterization, geography, and foreshadowing to set up Euron's ability to get the jump on his niece's fleet.
Like... how did this entire fleet of boats not see another fleet of boats until they were being fired on? How did Euron know where they were? Stupid.
It's not been that smart a show since after the first season
They are, but Pyke is the capital of the Iron Islands. The show likes to point out the names of cities/castles in the opening, not the province they're in. Except when talking about Dorne, that was just called 'Dorne' in the opening titles instead of Sunspear.
This is my biggest peeve with the current state of the show as well, but the writers clearly do not care anymore for any semblance of logic in the political sense. Cersei becoming uncontested queen was already ridiculous, but last season had more stuff like that. For instance, a nobody who was the lover of a Dornish prince was able to become leader of the Dornish people by ordering her daughters to murder the ruling Prince and his only son. Or on a lower scale, Yara making her move on Euron based on 'legitimacy' reasons, even though the Iron Islanders elect their next king/queen and Euron was rightfully elected.
I fully expect the show to also run with the 'Jon is a legitimate Targaryen' stuff when that comes out, even though he's a Targ bastard.
bishopcruz
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As soon as I saw that i was like:
We have a new Villain-Sue ladies and gentlemen!!!!
You can't sail 1000 ships like that in mist without any light (which you would have to do in order to not be seen) without a decent number of them crashing into each other and fucking up the fleet itself.
And let's say Euron didn't care, he's just that crazy, fine but SHOW it, show him just deciding to slam into Yara's fleet and sacrifice his own men to get to the cap ship, have a huge logjam of ships slamming into each other, unable to see which side is which, fire spreading everywhere, and Euron just not caring so long as he get;s his. It wouldn't be much smarter, but at least it would have some narrative weight to it.
This will always be the most ridiculous part to me.
Didn't she just tell Daenerys that? I don't feel like Daenerys is that familiar with Ironborn customs and it's convenient for Yara.
Roberts grandmother was Targaryn iirc so not that distant and at the time John Aryyn was like 50 with no heir and Ned didn't care about any of that shit
That's why I said it's not as big as the Cersei and Ellaria stuff, but I have no doubt in my mind that Yara's argument is valid in the eyes of the writers because Euron is the bad guy. With the way they play fast and loose with succession rules in the show, it's not too far fatched that they honestly believe Euron usurped the throne from Yara.
Yeah. They do tend to simplify like Renly being portrayed as a total good guy vs Stannis's bad guy.
bishopcruz
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The other stupid plot that no one is mention is the Sam/Jorah one. In a just world, Sam would catch greyscale and pass it on to the whole of oldtown for his abject stupidity. Also, as gross as it was, he's essentially flaying what, 45% of Jorah's upper torso? There's a little thing called shock, and alcohol won't help with that shit.
Infected skin at that which I'm guessing makes it even more painful.
bishopcruz
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Remember when Drogo died from an infection from losing his nipple and some skin around it? That was a long time ago.
I haven't read them, but someone earlier a few pages back said the same thing. Don't post about them here though, mods won't like it.
Yeah, figured. Is there a thread for discussing leaks or is that subject prohibited entirely?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Prohibited. Read the OP.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Baelish is just a motherfucker who annoys me at this point. He's just there. He's the goddamn kid next to the cookie jar. You just KNOW that fucker is going to ruin the whole jar, and you're staring at him, and you're screaming at him to shoo, but you know he's going to stick his hand in there.
It seriously bugs me whenever he's in a scene.
Guys like. Just watch the show. Ellaria turns to the camera and explains this. The people of Dorne had no faith in Doran. They hated him. A buncha guards just stood around and waited him get coup-ed.
Laws are only worth anything if someone is willing to enforce them. The Dornish wanted Doran out and someone fiery in.
Atraveller
Banned
I've written about this previously: his plan was ruined to make room for writers' course correction, his Iron Throne dream is at a dead end. The only way forward is to betray the Starks in the heart of the North with bannermen he doesn't have, only to have Sansa kill him for an empowerment moment.
Well, a witch "treated" his cut as a first responder and was then called in again when it got worse. It's fair to say it wasn't a regular infection.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
man he was this man with the master plan
BUT NOPE
I LOVE YOUR MOM
I LOVE YOUR SISTER
PLEASE LET ME LOVE THEM SO I CAN BECOME KING
His constant smirk gets me every time.
damn i wish they would time-stamp every scene for people to finally shut up about supposed teleportation
Discotheque
Banned
I love the actor but yeah he has long outlived his purpose in this show. it makes no sense why he's alive or allowed to hang around there right now. the writing for him plummeted.
anyways I was glad to see the bad pussy sisters murked. they just had to have one last terrible scene together before the farewell tho huh lol.
Yeah he is a great actor. I like the character too tbf, but I think we have long passed peak Baelish.
Not to mention blood loss and infection. They just dreamt up a "cure" to make a particularly horrifying scene and went with it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Actually I think jorahs infection is a sort of tumor growing on his external skin
Incisive.
I am gonna go on a limb and say the people are fucking terrified of Cercei. Oh yeah you wanna revolt? Let's see how will you fare against her royal guard, Jaime Lannister, The Mountain and wildfire.
Intheflorsh
Banned
To cure greyscale you just have to cut it off? Has no one has tried this before?
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Jon's gonna bang his aunt isn't he?
And some "medicinal ointment", I'm kind of hoping it's Cream of Wheat.
And some "medicinal ointment", I'm kind of hoping it's Cream of Wheat.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You probably have to apply some deus ex ointment afterwards
Yes, that one maester did, cured only two cases and then died of greyscale himself.
That means a ton of people died and the maester runs the risk of infecting himself, I wonder why the treatment was banned.
Actually he refused treatment for the cut, and Dany only brought in the maegi after it got infected.
He's a bit screwed since he never had any power to begin with and essentially had to leech power of those who were more powerful. The war of the 5 kings has turned into the war of the 3 Queens (Dany, Cersi and Sansa) and with Cersi gone mad and Dany a foreign element, Littlefinger's wagon is firmly hitched to Sansa at this point. He is probably hoping that he's in her good graces after saving her from Joffery and that she will bestow him rule of somewhere nice until at such point where it benefits him to betray Sansa and make a bigger power grab.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yeah baelish can go rule the kingdom of the cookie jar. Fucking prick.
god hes going to ruin this season somehow and set westeros backwards 50 years. I can feel it.
god hes going to ruin this season somehow and set westeros backwards 50 years. I can feel it.