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SporeCrawler
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it has actually. olenna mentions in the show that mace tyrell did nothing but feast in roberts rebellion and she made sure of it that he didnt join any real battles
Lord of Castamere
Member
Did they explain why Bran is antisocal and dead inside now?
Giving all the power of the Reach to one bannerman is just lazy writing, but then again so is the magic transporting Greyjoy navy.
That was Tyrell himself, not the military of the Reach. That was pretty active.
He's hooked on the internet now, the first thing we 90s kids did when trying the internet for the first time was to download sad edgy grunge music in Kazaa. He's there now. I'm expecting black eyeliner the next episode.
Why does it matter that it was shown in several moments of montage? Would it have been better if they just mentioned that it happened off screen, like they did with Robb Stark winning every single battle he engaged in?
The important bit that matters in the storytelling is that the Tyrell army wasn't "gigantic" after the Lannister army absorbed their defected bannermen. Robb Stark lost half of his forces after one house abandoned him. Why is it bad storytelling if the Tyrell forces stationed near Highgarden lost something similar when their most powerful ally abandoned them AND joined their enemy?
SporeCrawler
Member
yes but with mace went the main highgarden army.
They came from nearly the exact same place as the Unsullied did. So...
one of the most powerful, there is stil other strong houses like Oakheart,l Hightower and Redwyne altho the latter is more of a naval power.
Lena Headey's an awesome actor but D&D's erection for Cersei is boundless. Loved Olenna's dig about Joffrey though.
The Jon/Dany scene was entertaining enough and well shot. Neither character is as clever or interesting as I felt they were in the books but the actors were game and the power lines were fun to hear.
If you're gonna have a scene in the Citadel, give me more shots of that tower.
Are they actually going to go anywhere with this advice Sansa's getting from Littlefinger(besides getting Baelish killed)?
It's nice seeing Bran by a Winterfell heart tree again. I think it'd be funny if all he ever says from here on out is shit to freak people the fuck out.
I hope Euron suffocates in actual shit.
The Jon/Dany scene was entertaining enough and well shot. Neither character is as clever or interesting as I felt they were in the books but the actors were game and the power lines were fun to hear.
If you're gonna have a scene in the Citadel, give me more shots of that tower.
Are they actually going to go anywhere with this advice Sansa's getting from Littlefinger(besides getting Baelish killed)?
It's nice seeing Bran by a Winterfell heart tree again. I think it'd be funny if all he ever says from here on out is shit to freak people the fuck out.
I hope Euron suffocates in actual shit.
Why do people keep saying this? Like never mind that they directly mention why it's dangerous to send Dany out there with Drogon cause all it takes is one arrow.
What else can they do specifically with one rider? Get the dragons who explicitly can't be tamed to fly out by themselves when all they wanna do is hang around there mom? How do they scout shit without a human to relay anything they see?
And they didn't see them. How? The skies were clear, it's not like they could have hid in the fog.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Eh, Euron is the probably the best sailor in the ocean at the moment. Not a stretch that he had scouts watching Dragon Stone and followed the Unsulled. Meanwhile Grey Worm has never been in Navel combat, and presumably most of Danys Ironers are dead.
The only way the Euron stuff makes sense is if Euron wasn't the one actually attacking the Unsullied, but a different part of his fleet that didn't follow him into King's Landing. I mean, the entire fleet doesn't just go with you everywhere does it? (Asking from true ignorance on anything sea related). I'd guess that he would split them up for different assignments.
They literally answered this question in this episode..
Psychoward
Banned
fucking plot armor euron strikes again
The best soldiers Dany had since the beginning of the show, with a lot of background story, one of the main reasons she did what she did, wiped away by the magic transport abilities of Euron Greyjoy, because Dany was overpowered and they had to write something that makes the story more "thrilling".
Am I the only one who thinks Cersei might have poisoned herself? I mean, not only did she use a poison which they called out as possible taking days to work, but she kept raising death flags for herself by doing stuff like openly sleeping with Jaime and telling the bank dude that before he leaves, she'll fully pay off her debt.
m_shortpants
Member
The teleporting is really starting to irk me. I thought it was bad before, but wow.
Psychoward
Banned
it's a shame if any good strides this season made is ruined by a sand snakes like POV. Hell we're 3/7 episodes in and he's already tainted the shit out of it in big ways. at least he can sorta act
maybe s6 was a fluke
Who said they didn't see them? If they approached after the land forces had disembarked, the Unsullied ships - mostly functioning as troop transport, wouldn't be a ton of use against an armada designed for sea battles.
Furthermore, let's say they were on lookout for other ships. At ground level you can see max 3 miles til the horizon. Say, at the top of an crow's nest you can see 10-12 miles. The ships can easily travel 9-10x that in a day. Therefore, they could easily sneak up while an attack is going on. Without question.
She drank the antidote right there and the debt will be payed probably by pillaging highgarden.
This is exactly what a lot of us predicted before the season started. Dany was way too OP going in so they had to rely on contrivance to level the playing field.
Ep 9 and 10 of s6 being as good as they were might be clouding people's memory of s6. It wasn't that good until those amazing final two episodes. IMO the show took an overall dive in quality ever since s5 and hasn't recovered since, outside of those two eps and that one in s5 I'm forgetting the name of.
Episode 4 preview:
There's a quick shot of Jon and Dany in some caves. Maybe they are checking on the dragon glass mining, but what if they find something else? Dragonstone is where they bred dragons, yes? So what if there are dragon eggs hidden under the island? Jon gets a dragon. Tyrion gets a dragon. Everyone gets a dragon.
Psychoward
Banned
They could have done it without the superpower teleporting stealth rapid fleet building shit from Euron though. Hell it would have been better if he did have supernatural abilities. I'd take a shadow baby or wildfire arrows over stupid bullshit that doesn't make any sense but tries to pretend it does any day of the week.
Unsullied don't have any background with naval warfare. At all
Psychoward
Banned
Unsullied don't have any background with naval warfare. At all
why would they still be in the water then especially if they had no weapons
also didn't some of the dothraki go with them?
The show has been totally incapable at any kind of world building for years now. Euron being this powerful doesn't make sense because they didn't communicate to the audience how and why he's this powerful. At no point was it ever apparent the Greyjoys had so many ships and so many men.
Psychoward
Banned
Actually it was kind of apparent when Euron came back, and then he explained that his siblings took them.... and then he built a bigger one from scratch on a shitty island with no resources and defeated a fleet, came back to king's landing to gloat, and then went back and finished the second fleet before they even got to shore despite them leaving at the same time as the first fleet.
lol
Dothraki? The guys very explicitly afraid of the ocean? How are they gonna help in a naval ambush?
Lord of Castamere
Member
They've been teleporting since season 4. They can't do scale in the show, and clearly think that a teleport surprise is either really engaging for the audience, or they're such poor writers that it's the only way they can surprise in that context.
Psychoward
Banned
those were more two separate questions, I was wondering where the Dothraki were in the fighting scenes
but yes it also doesn't make sense why more than the bare minimum unsullied would stay in the ocean if their ships didn't have any weapons and they had a land siege underway
Psychoward
Banned
does anyone think dany is actually going to lose to cersei
I think it's a "common" theory that there are dragon eggs at Dragonstone. It's been a few years since I read the books but wasn't Loras on a mission to go there to find something at Dragonstone?
4??? Lololol people have been making jet pack jokes about LF since s2
Psychoward
Banned
yeah and it's awful because like a lot more of the pieces are there than s5...
edit: LF has been a parody of himself for several seasons now and the sooner he dies the better, I honestly can't take him seriously anymore between his dialog, teleporting, accent and straight up idiotic decisions
Yea no big deal. Just write it all away in brain dead simple scenes. No need to have standards or at least pretend to care.
Next episode Bran kills the white walkers with mind bullets because it's simpler that way, and really, who cares how simply they wrap this up? It works doesn't it?
Lets not turn this into the worthless contribution to...well, anything, that is that other thread.
They just don't care. It's jarring as a book fan because so much time is spent in the books making sense of distance and internal logic, so when big things happen you understand how and why. Makes everything feel weighted and significant as opposed to the "well that happened" atmosphere of the show.
People just now getting upset about teleporting is so transparent. They've been doing this for the entire show. Literally the entire show.
That's not even true. The boats were just chilling in the bay after they dropped off the Unsullied. You don't actually want your boats right up on the beach lol
Two random comments:
1) It is mildly annoying how in fashion black and silver has become in Westeros.
GRRM put a lot of effort into describing the heraldry and colours of the great houses of Westeros and this season this has been thrown out with every one wearing black and silver.
Dany and all her advisors wear black and silver, even though House Targaryen colours are red and black.
Cersei is wearing black and silver instead of Lannister red and gold.
Sansa is wearing black and silver instead of other colours (ok mostly brown) we've seen associated with the North and house Stark.
Everyone is wearing the same thing now. It's weird and dull.
2) It was a bit eyebrow raising to hear the Iron Bank had investments in the slave trade. Was this mentioned in the book? It's a bit surprising since Braavos was founded by ex slaves and is virulently against the slave trade. I don't think this fact was mentioned in the show, so of course if that is true the show would be free to have the Iron Bank behave however they'd like. In the books however it would be a bit peculiar to have the Iron Bank go against Braavos norms. I suppose it would be an apt commentary on the ability for money to corrupt morals.
1) It is mildly annoying how in fashion black and silver has become in Westeros.
GRRM put a lot of effort into describing the heraldry and colours of the great houses of Westeros and this season this has been thrown out with every one wearing black and silver.
Dany and all her advisors wear black and silver, even though House Targaryen colours are red and black.
Cersei is wearing black and silver instead of Lannister red and gold.
Sansa is wearing black and silver instead of other colours (ok mostly brown) we've seen associated with the North and house Stark.
Everyone is wearing the same thing now. It's weird and dull.
2) It was a bit eyebrow raising to hear the Iron Bank had investments in the slave trade. Was this mentioned in the book? It's a bit surprising since Braavos was founded by ex slaves and is virulently against the slave trade. I don't think this fact was mentioned in the show, so of course if that is true the show would be free to have the Iron Bank behave however they'd like. In the books however it would be a bit peculiar to have the Iron Bank go against Braavos norms. I suppose it would be an apt commentary on the ability for money to corrupt morals.
Psychoward
Banned
as soon as Grey Worm gets to the top though he looks out and sees their fleet being bombarded
so, slightly after they got to shore
finowns
Member
Highgarden is a massive fantasy castle in books, it's very well fortified.
Oh please. Tyrion and Cat being at the same inn in the books made fuck all sense even at the time, the internal logic of travel distance got fucked right at the start.
finowns
Member
Why?
For the first time, I feel like the shows pacing is really bad this season. So many moments this episode really deserved more than the five minutes everything got outside of Olena's death. You had two of the greatest castles int he 7 Kingdom's fall, Bran returning to Winterfell, Jon and Dany meeting and it all felt so mundane.
Welp, at least Winds of winter will be out at some point.
Welp, at least Winds of winter will be out at some point.
I disagree.