Haha, this show never ceases to amaze me.
I was just thinking, with Storm's End all but forgot, if she took the Vale she has control of all but the North, and would severely wound Jon if half of his men left the North.
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I was just thinking, with Storm's End all but forgot, if she took the Vale she has control of all but the North, and would severely wound Jon if half of his men left the North.
I could've sworn I read an interview where they said they only started the series because they wanted to film the Red Wedding. Once that was done you can see they lost interest.
DarkJediKnight
Member
That was an odd exchange. He brings up her wedding night - you know, the same night Sansa was raped with Theon standing there. What a way to bring back memories.
DarkJediKnight
Member
I really hope they don't do that. a 5'0 girl using the face of a 6'0 man would be hilarious!
DarkJediKnight
Member
Doesn't matter. Tyrion still killed his father. Jamie won't forget that.
She didn't anticipate Euron building a billion, faster than light ships on islands with minimal resources in about a week's time.
bengraven
Member
I want Cersei to know.
Fuck what a great scene.
And I liked Sansa giving orders. It reminds me of her mom in Episode 1.
This bothered me as well.
Fuck what a great scene.
And I liked Sansa giving orders. It reminds me of her mom in Episode 1.
This bothered me as well.
Those are some smart people you're quoting.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Euron is basically the incarnation of the showrunners will to get this over with
If the Boltons had ships Ramsay would be engaged to Cersei right now.
Dany has two nuclear options with the dragons and Dothraki. Problem is that if she uses either it makes it that much easier for Cersei to rally against a common enemy.
I refuse to believe the Tyrell army went down like chumps. But apparently they did so you could have the Olenna/Jaime conversation. Was it really worth it?
I refuse to believe the Tyrell army went down like chumps. But apparently they did so you could have the Olenna/Jaime conversation. Was it really worth it?
Alpha Centauri
Member
Arya and Bran basically acted the exact same way. Aloof and strange. No social skills to connect with people who they cared for previously. At least Arya didn't bring up a horrific event when talking to Hot Pie. Bran just straight up went "Hey... remember that time you got raped for the first time? Such a pretty day. Like today."
The fuck? The directors are pretty lame for that.
The fuck? The directors are pretty lame for that.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Oh, one of the dragons (probably Viserion) is a goner for sure. Will be shot down by a ballista. That's already been 100% telegraphed. Doesn't change my prediction that Cersei's dead at the end of this season and Dany isn't.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
it was at exactly the moment they're standing there outside on those steps when i realized how much tension D&D must have been feeling all those years -- and suddenly realized these two are literally the most wooden leads in the entire series -- but was instantly relieved. They really do click. Thank god.
kind of think she stated what her "post-death of daughter' plan was. To keep Ellaria alive, in that cell, with her daughters rotting corpse, meaning they'd just leave her body there post death.
RoninChaos
Member
That's not why. It's money and complexity of shooting the show. This show is expensive as fuck to produce and shows hitting past season 6 cost a LOT more due to contract renewals. The same shit happened with madmen, the sopranos, etc. And some actors, even if they love the parts, want to move on.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Is it wrong that i'm liking Euron so far? If he had the eyepatch he would be my favorite character.
first good episode of the season. Lots of fun character interactions we've been waiting 8 years for, neat twist I didn't see coming with Casterly Rock, the Jamie/Olenna scene was great. Euron is sort of a videogame character who just randomly turns up with his flameball-throwing ships to fuck shit up
almost no one in Westeros can apparently build a castle that can withhold more than an afternoon of a siege
almost no one in Westeros can apparently build a castle that can withhold more than an afternoon of a siege
TimeEffect
Member
What episode was the last to follow the books?
Im reading that its all fan fiction now but the show is getting the big plot points from Martin right?
Im reading that its all fan fiction now but the show is getting the big plot points from Martin right?
HBO is raking it in. Suoer expensive yes but also a cash cow. There are very few shows with such high viewership The other being TWD and they are planning to milk that forever.
Rad Shadow
Banned
Ugh. I really dislike "show Jaime."
The books handled him better.
Oh. And I'm going to be sad when Bronn dies.
Eh, maybe he'll take out greyworm.
Who knows!
The books handled him better.
Oh. And I'm going to be sad when Bronn dies.
Eh, maybe he'll take out greyworm.
Who knows!
Bruh Euron hit rock bottom when he showed up in the first episode this season as someone in this thread said as straight out of a hot topic
And then last episode was awesome but also sort of like was that terrible I dunno it was awesome but kind of over the top
And then this episode was the greatest smarmiest baller sack of shit ever
So no, it's not wrong, Euron's the real deal now baby
off topic but I also saw ghost in the shell the other day and he was actually one of the few highlights when I went in totally expecting to totally hate him
Will the Thrill
Banned
The problem I have with it is we basically got no introduction to it whatsoever, after episode 5 last season we only have a couple scenes with Bran and in them he still seemed like himself but taken aback. Which would make sense. Hell him and Meera could see the wall when he finished the tower of Joy scene, so their first scene in S7 is literally that same day probably, he was a little robot-ish with Ed but not anything as much as he was this episode. I just think/feel we're missing a solid 2-3 episodes of scenes for him (Which I know wouldn't be much anyway but still.) We don't get to see him turn into what he was this episode. Jon post death has had much more screen time, Bran has not after his big "change". Hell, what happened to Bran's story line in terms of importance is literally the opposite of Jon. Jon gets brought back to life and then barely changes at all as a character then receives a lot of screen time. Bran becomes the three eyed raven and has a super small amount of screen time but has apparently changed significantly.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Tyrion hardly is "responsible". He planned the citys defence and that's it. Davos cannot possibly start asking for apologies when his son and Davos himself would no doubt have killed Tyrion given the chance. Also it's not like Davos came unprepared to meet Tyrion, he knew they would meet him and the trip there took a long time. Also his son died supposedly year+ ago depending how you look at the timeline, it's not that fresh of a wound anymore.
And sure his family is important to him but I doubt house Seaworth is important enough to waste wartime ravens on. It's not like they are some huge house with soldiers, big finances ect. to take care of that need to be immediately informed about possible losses. Davos was very high ranked but he isn't from an important house.
And that's as I said would be if they even had a raven that could reach them. Possibly would first have to send a raven to Storms End (that may or may not be in Stannis's control in the show) to even forward the message to his family that may or may not live in the Stormlands.
They've been slicing little pieces from the books, but pretty much nothing follows the books past Tywin Lannister's death. Virtually every major event has been altered significantly in some way.
Just watched that scene. Apparently becoming Westeros' biggest voyeur makes you monotone and incapable of attempting an explanation to simple questions.
This whole three eyed raven subplot has been a total wash since S1.
The Artisan
Member
it's war, I get that. but Matthos's death was still tragic and he still died by Tyrion's hand. That's not something I think the show should gloss over and that's that. Davos has proven himself to be a loyal advisor and comrade to Jon so Jon should give him the freedom to contact his family if that is an issue - and I'm sure he would if Davos wanted to contact his family but he doesn't seem like he ants to.
If ravens can go from the Citadel all the way to Winterfell, then they can go from Winterfell to Storms End.
Yea but also keep in mind the economy of time in finishing this story, and what show-only viewers care about. They don't remember or care that Davos had family. Shit many would probably have to think for a moment before even remembering who Jon Snow's father is supposed to be, or what brothers he lost.
The world map for Euron:
Euron has traveled the world. It makes sense that he would already have a lot of fast travel points unlocked.
The teleportation is simply a symptom of the monetary/time restraints the show is now under. I don't like it, but I understand why they are doing it. It is pretty ridiculous though to think back on how long it took people to travel. Robert spent weeks on the road to Winterfell and the show spent time showing how arduous a journey it was, yet now characters go twice that distance with no consequence.
Anyways, I thought it was an overall excellent episode. Dany, Jon, and Tyrion meeting lived up to expectations. Dany was all haughty, Jon was stubborn, and Tyrion was smarter than both of them. It's the scene everyone has been waiting for since season one. I am loving Cersei's character this season. Compared to her foolishness and poor decisions after taking command when Tywin died, she is now much more cunning and brutal. That scene with the sand snakes... damn, that was more vicious than I imagined. I thought she would have the mountain kill them, or burn them alive, but Cersei is far more creative than I. She is an excellent antagonist to the idealistic Dany. Though it will be interesting to see if Dany goes full blown fire and blood now that she has taken some major hits and how people react to it.
I see some people talk about how weird Bran was.... and he was, but it wasn't out of nowhere in my mind. He is completely different than before, and is driven by a purpose most can't fathom. Also, the dude is just straight up addicted to the Weirnet. Don't act like you're better when you get bummed once you find out a place doesn't have wifi.
One thing I don't understand is how Olenna is even in Highgarden. She was on Dragonstone last time we saw her. Why not stay there? You had to imagine she knew that if she went to Highgarden it would be a death sentence. At least she went down swinging.
And I'm sorry... I still don't like Euron. He's not as interesting as Book Euron OR Book Victarion. I know the show is the show, but he seems like such a missed opportunity. Can you tell which lines are from Book Euron and which are from Show Euron?
"We are the ironborn, and once we were conquerors. Our writ ran everywhere the sound of the waves was heard. My brother would have be content with the cold and dismal north, my niece with even less ... but I shall give you Lannisport. Highgarden. The Arbor. Oldtown. The riverlands and the Reach, the kingswood and the rainwood, Dorne and the marches, the Mountains of the Moon and the Vale of Arryn, Tarth and the Stepstones. I say we take it all! I say, we take Westeros."
"Let's go murder them."
"Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray."
"A finger in the bum."
chicken_pasta
Banned
TBF, who knows how much time has gone passed since the last time we saw Bran. He arrived at the Wall as a white-eyed mess, and it's quite likely some weeks went by before he reached Winterfell.
Gunslinger
Member
Isn't Euron like a mage in the book who knows magic spells?
Euron in the books is a suped up late game villain who happens to have magic, valaryian steel armor, a kraken and a dragon binder horn.
He's basically a walking villain sue loot piñata who just showed up in the heap of garbage subplots AFFC introduced to eventually give the heros some sweet end game loot when he gets offed.
He's basically a walking villain sue loot piñata who just showed up in the heap of garbage subplots AFFC introduced to eventually give the heros some sweet end game loot when he gets offed.
I'd like to know what they hell he keeps shooting at other ships. They're more effective than what was launched at Meereen from those catapults.
The Artisan
Member
even though I started reading the book, I am still a show-only viewer mostly and I care that Davos had a family...however, I get that I'm in the minority. It just sucks how little exposition this character is getting now. He was great last season.
Matter of fact, a lot of supporting characters are getting very little screentime. Hound + bannerless so far just in the first episode, Bran was missing in episode 2 and Arya was missing in this episode.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Kinda. He has a collection of warlocks and other freaks at his disposal. Plus the posession of suppisedly very powerful artifact.
chicken_pasta
Banned
Yeah he's pretty ridiculous in the books. Show Euron at least doesn't look that overpowered.
It's highly suggested but nothing has been revealed. He certainly seems to know a great deal about the arcane, but it's unclear if he's just bluffing. He's basically a muted Bond villain.
Gunslinger
Member
I wonder if he will bring a kraken in the show to fight the dragon.
Isn't it typical during times of war for them to not contact their family? Similar to how Robert tells Ned not to beat himself up for cheating on Cat, "you never knew if you'd return to her" or something similar. I took it as them having no contact for years. *shrug*
JesseEwiak
Member
If the show was more clever, I'd bet it could be Bran being creepy on purpose to absolve himself from the responsibilities of being Lord of Winterfell.
Lord of Castamere
Member
The sewer stuff really brightened my day. Such a wonderful little nod. I can't wait to see what other subtle foreshadowing or unresolved questions happen in the last seasons.
I think I'm over the teleporting at this point. Let's just keep the insanity moving. The slow sections were the worst in the last seasons. Thankfully the only bad part so far was the romance between Missandei and Grey Wolf, which I skipped. Very solid so far.
I think I'm over the teleporting at this point. Let's just keep the insanity moving. The slow sections were the worst in the last seasons. Thankfully the only bad part so far was the romance between Missandei and Grey Wolf, which I skipped. Very solid so far.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The Vale is really really hard to siege.