ToyMachine228
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I did think that NCW did well last night and finally had something to work with for a change. That said its still infuriating that they've botched his arc so badly.
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I did think that NCW did well last night and finally had something to work with for a change. That said its still infuriating that they've botched his arc so badly.
The Tarly's certainly do not make up half of the Reach. The Tarly's switching sides was dumb within itself.
cubicle47b
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I won't say the Tarlys have an insignificant number of soldiers, but there are a lot of houses in the Reach and the army the region can field is 70,000-100,000 men.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Yeah I don't agree with that, at all
Only certified bad pussy from now on.
No, he was clearly referring to her wedding to Ramsay.
Bran can't see the future, as far as we know, anyway.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Doubt it at this point. That train has already left the station.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
This is exactly how Dany is in the books as well. She's a deconstruction of the Chosen One trope. In fact, they have white washed her too much imo, but they also did that with Tyrion and Varys and loads of other characters.
Cersei won't believe that. Cersei will say that it was the mad words of a woman who is about to die. One final way to confuse them. Jamie will believe Olenna though.
hydrophilic attack
Member
It has been established in the books that Euron can teleport. How else would he be able to zip back and forth between Dany in Mereen and Pyke
I think it's fairly obvious that in the books, Cersei will be dead at this point and it will be Aegon on the Iron Throne. It will feel much more natural to be more even at this point because he will have Dorne and possibly the Tyrells after they figure out that Cersei set Margery up.
D&D decided to skip Aegon's storyline and this is the result.
D&D decided to skip Aegon's storyline and this is the result.
Latvian Hitman
Member
I don't see Sansa teaming up with the Lannisters after they killed her brother and both of her parents.
Human Trashcan
Banned
That may be but she's still an interesting, likeable character who shows empathy and humanity and more than 1 mood. She is nothing like her portrayal on the show. I'm questioning what books people read when I see responses like this or that she wasn't likeable in the books. Same with Sansa.
I think there's no doubt that whatever GURM is cooking will be more interesting than the soupy mess D&D has prepared.
Although Cersei will never be queen in the books, I rolled with it in last year's finale. I can't roll with what's going on right now. Cersei is supposed to be a class A fuckup.
demosthenes
Member
This is my biggest annoyance right now.
bodyofanamerican
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Given Lena's stance on nudity, has there been any word if her briefly nude body getting out of bed was CGI again?
The fact that everyone knows that Jon is Ice and Fire by himself, it didn't mean as much IMO.
I think he/she meant Jon as Ice, and Dany as Fire, ergo Ice and Fire.
Yeah it does. Dramatic Irony goes a long way. Dany saying "I am the last targaryen" is hilarious.
My issue with cersie is how crazy evil she is right now. We all hate her, as we did Ramsey Bolton, we know how it's going to end for her.
Not sure if this is the case. Part of me thinks Bran is Ice and Daenarys is fire. With Jon set to be the peacekeeper between them.
Yeah, of course, but when Mel said it, it didn't really mean much because us as viewers already know that Jon is Ice and Fire, in multiple ways.
His parentage obviously is ice and fire, but the fact that he died on the ice to be resurrected by fire as well.
Biggest issue with Cersei is how she is a complete idiot that somehow became a brilliant tactician the past 2 seasons.
wesleyshark
Banned
She's definitely my least favorite character from the books. I had to fight the urge to skim some of her chapters in book 5. I think the show version is better, imho (and even then, I don't want to see her sitting on the Throne at the end).
While I agree with both of you regarding Cersei, I think I would be able to appreciate her character more if her winning in the show wasn't so "written into existence". Right now, everything just works out for her because it needs to. Perhaps if it was more organic it wouldn't be as jarring for me.
demosthenes
Member
Will danny push to know more about the dagger to the heart? And why didn't mel tell them?
The Artisan
Member
I do honestly think Melisandre meant ice & fire to be Jon & Dany. Jon Snow s also ice and fire but him and Dany, while having an disproportionate amount of fire, is still ice and fire.
I am probably (read:definitely) going way too in depth with this, but Jon is 50/50 Ice and Fire, the perfect split, Jon and Dany is 75 fire/25 ice.
The Artisan
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I know, and you are right about that, but ice+fire+fire is still literally ice and fire.
But Mel didn't bring Ice and Fire together, they were already together, which is my point. She just diluted the Ice part.
Psychoward
Banned
Who knows
Last season when they first showed House Tarly's Horn Hill I was a bit shocked by how absurdly large and grandiose it seemed. It seemed like a bit of an error to me to make the estate so incredible but maybe there was an intention to indicate that House Tarley is an extremely significant house in Westeros, and one that could be capable of matching the Tyrells in terms of wealth and military power.
demosthenes
Member
Mel doesn't know that.
Psychoward
Banned
Also yeah Jamie was ruined ever since the rape "it's not rape" scene in season 4. Shame.
Yeah but us as viewers do, it's kinda like in the books with "a maid of three and ten". Like I said I am probably going way too in depth, and it was hardly the worst part of the episode(Fuck show Jaime so much) but it was a minor annoyance to me for some reason.
Jamie is still one of the best characters in the show. It's a joy to watch Nikolaj Coster-Waldau whenever he's on screen. I was never really bothered by that scene because D&D clearly just mishandled the source material
Psychoward
Banned
Mishandled is the understatement of the century. And yeah NWC is great but Jamie is not a good show character and hasn't been for seasons.
it has been hinted indirectly in the shows but hbo has a graph indicating his parentage
The Artisan
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I understand what you're saying. Even though ice and fire were already brought together in the physical manifestation of Jon, Melisandre did still bring it together herself when she brought ice and fire together with fire. That is still ice and fire.
Also for all we know, Melisandre thinks Jon is all ice.
The show confirms that his mother is Lyanna, but doesn't outright say that Rhaegar is the father, but it is also pretty much confirmed.
The Artisan
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The opening scene of the season was Bran seeing the White walker army south of the wall was it not?
I feel like you linked me an optical illusion
The opening scene of the season was Arya slaying face at the Twins, but that was the next one. Except it wasn't south of the Wall, or at least, there was no reason given to assume so. It was still north of the Wall. And if by some cosmic fluke it was in fact south of the Wall, then Edd and the rest of the gang -- not to mention Meera and Bran himself -- are all remarkably blind and exceptionally fortunate, because Bran was having that vision at the Wall.
The Artisan
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sorry about that, edited
Spelled out for idiots? No. If someone can figure out x+y=5 when they know y=3? Yes.
Haha, no, no, it's fine. What I meant was that that picture broke my brain a little bit.
demosthenes
Member
People in the non book thread, at least one person thought it was Robert baratheon around episode 1.
IamDodongo
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Is Bran's actor really bad, or did they just decide to totally change him with no warning? It's both, right?
That bothered me as much as the scene where Arya barely interacted with Hot Pie.
Also, the Euron teleporting is getting ridiculous, and I guess Highgarden didn't have an army somehow??
That bothered me as much as the scene where Arya barely interacted with Hot Pie.
Also, the Euron teleporting is getting ridiculous, and I guess Highgarden didn't have an army somehow??