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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 7 - Sundays on HBO
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well, there's two of us then, heh
I wish he would just fucking leave Winterfell, go back to the Vale and actually do something noteworthy
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now he's going to attempt to murder Bran because he's the "heir of Winterfell", get killed in the process and accomplish nothing. The fool should have just stayed mayor of Baltimore
demosthenes
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It was Dragonstone.
hydrophilic attack
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bodyofanamerican
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Latvian Hitman
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Not true at all. He was expertly skilled at shaving body hair with a straight razor.
Casterly Rock and Highgarden, never seen even in the books so far, are finally shown...and both fall in the same scene, in the same episode.
I'm starting to think the cut down to seven episodes was a mistake. The rush to clear things out of the way is getting hilarious.
Also just one line in the Oldtown scene would have saved it, just something like "the greyscale will likely return eventually, but you're safe for the time being". Instead it's like Jorah is just cured like that? They made it seem too easy given it was supposed to be the most deadly disease and even Shireen being cured of it was a miracle.
I'm starting to think the cut down to seven episodes was a mistake. The rush to clear things out of the way is getting hilarious.
Also just one line in the Oldtown scene would have saved it, just something like "the greyscale will likely return eventually, but you're safe for the time being". Instead it's like Jorah is just cured like that? They made it seem too easy given it was supposed to be the most deadly disease and even Shireen being cured of it was a miracle.
Start from the beginning, you are about to see ASOIAF in a new light.
The Elite
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I feel like I have seen all this stuff on the surface but never really delved into the parallels. Maybe I should give it a listen.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Jesus he really became a robot.
I wonder how Shireen was saved. Considering she still has a scaley face, it couldn't have been with Sam's method.
The Elite
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It looked like they replaced him with a prop head.
Some might say his performance was wooden, almost tree-like.
The Elite
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He's trying to get to the root of his character.
DarkJediKnight
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Yea, definately not Lena. The movie 300 gives a pretty good indication of her assets.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
DarkJediKnight
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but he doesn't have much to branch off of.
I'm finding the easy triumphs of Cersei all a bit implausible.
You had Lannisters (and Euron from episode 2 on) vs Dany/Dothraki/Unsullied/Tyrells/Greyjoys/Dorne, but somehow everyone but Dany and the Dothraki are already eliminated in three episodes.
The allies getting swept off the table has been ludicrously fast and easy, they basically did nothing. Where is the Tyrell army for instance? They're mean to have a huge standing army. They handwaved the Dornish army still being in Dorne but come on, why is everyone so useless all of a sudden?
You had Lannisters (and Euron from episode 2 on) vs Dany/Dothraki/Unsullied/Tyrells/Greyjoys/Dorne, but somehow everyone but Dany and the Dothraki are already eliminated in three episodes.
The allies getting swept off the table has been ludicrously fast and easy, they basically did nothing. Where is the Tyrell army for instance? They're mean to have a huge standing army. They handwaved the Dornish army still being in Dorne but come on, why is everyone so useless all of a sudden?
Too bad Iron Fist sucked.
Yes! LML is awesome. I'm excited he's going to start doing more videos on his YT as well.
The Elite
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It didn't blow me away.
Bran's actor frankly got a shit role.
While the likes of Arya travel all over Westeros and beyond and have many scenes working with great actors with plenty of sword fighting and action scenes, Bran has sat in a sled in the snow for 4 seasons, with the same 2-3 characters.
Now he's supposed to be aloof and emotionless now that he's actually in civilization again.
While the likes of Arya travel all over Westeros and beyond and have many scenes working with great actors with plenty of sword fighting and action scenes, Bran has sat in a sled in the snow for 4 seasons, with the same 2-3 characters.
Now he's supposed to be aloof and emotionless now that he's actually in civilization again.
Latvian Hitman
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I complained about in this thread last week to mixed results. Cutting the scale off with a scalpel and putting a salve made from common ingredients seemed awfully simplistic to me for a disease with such an ominous reputation. Oh, well- Jorah needed something to do for half a season, so there it is.
I could be wrong (probably very wrong) but this is my understanding:
Dothraki, Unsullied: Forces split on boats where they're weak, protecting their base, and the mission to the Lannister home
Tyrells: I think a large amount of their force was actually aligned with Cersei or something
Greyjoy: Didn't most of them stay with Euron?
Dorne: Not sure about this one.
chicken_pasta
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Anyone post this yet? HBO Hacked, next episode's script leaked.
http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/hbo-hack-episodes-released-1202510837/
http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/hbo-hack-episodes-released-1202510837/
Latvian Hitman
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The Unsullied are not eliminated, just isolated. We'll be seeing more of them, I expect, (don't be surprised if they're used as the 'save the day' card late this season after not being mentioned for several episodes.)
My guess regarding the Tyrell army is that it was neutralized by Lannister/Tarley forces during the siege of Highgarden that just took place.
With that said- absolutely, yes- I agree with your larger point. A lot of handwaving is required to believe that Cersei/Jaime/Euron could have pulled any of this off.
H.Cornerstone
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I mean, they kind of explained it with the archmaester getting mad at Sam and making it seem miraculous that it worked.
The quickest explanation for Cercei's dominance is that A) Euron is the world's best pirate B) Jamie and Randal are world-class generals C) Everything Dany attempted was stupid.
So, yeah, it's dumb that Euron teleports across the seas (though I don't hink he was outside Casterly Rock, just some of his forces), but if you ignore the time traveling, it make sense that Cercei is winning. War is as much about strategy as it is about brute force. We saw Robb win over and over again despite being outnumbered because he was smart.
Seriously, how dumb was it to go back to Dorne to get troops? Why not just get them beforehand going to Dragonstone? Or send a raven to Dorne and Highgarden that they should seige King's Landing? And why go to Casterly Rock at all? It's not important. Dany made mistakes, Cercei hasn't, and now the tables have turned.
It's not that implausible. It's just sped up because the show doesn't care about time or distance.
AcademicSaucer
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Tyrion couldnt possibly know about the teleporting capabilities of the Iron Fleet
Latvian Hitman
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Well, there's explaining something, and then there's explaining something away. My main niggle with it all wasn't that the procedure worked or didn't work, it's more that it just doesn't seem like some highly advanced procedure that could only be discovered in a dusty tome in the bowels of the Citadel library. I think the writers could have come up with something a bit more exotic or experimental if they had applied themselves a bit more.
Red Arremer
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So only a part of the Lannister army, which was said to be already lacking in numbers, was taken to one of the stronger castles in Westeros and faced one of the biggest (if not the single biggest) army in their home turf, won and took the castle?
Not only that, but the token force guarding Casterly Rock was able to deal heavy casualties to the Unsullied and Euron used warp factor 9 to get to the other side of the entire continent not only without the Tyrells noticing, but also fast enough in order to set up an ambush for the Targaryen fleet?
I can see this show's brains oozing out of its ears at this point.
Not only that, but the token force guarding Casterly Rock was able to deal heavy casualties to the Unsullied and Euron used warp factor 9 to get to the other side of the entire continent not only without the Tyrells noticing, but also fast enough in order to set up an ambush for the Targaryen fleet?
I can see this show's brains oozing out of its ears at this point.
Moff
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the teleportation of Euron from Kings LAnding to Casterly Rock is most definitely the top teleportation we have seen so far.
Now personally I never cared about it, I understand thy it needs to be done and think the pacing is better for it. And after all we see the events of 2000+ pages in 13 episodes now, there will be a lot of teleportation.
However, the problem this time was there could have simply not been weeks or months between those scenes. Cersei said it herself it was 48 hours.
Euron brought Ellaria -> Cersei chained her -> slept with Jaime and told him about Ellaria -> was informed the banker is there -> told the banker in 48 hours he will get his money
it's 48 hours, that's how long it took for Euron to sail to Casterly Rock, including both sieges at the Rock and in Highgarden
Now personally I never cared about it, I understand thy it needs to be done and think the pacing is better for it. And after all we see the events of 2000+ pages in 13 episodes now, there will be a lot of teleportation.
However, the problem this time was there could have simply not been weeks or months between those scenes. Cersei said it herself it was 48 hours.
Euron brought Ellaria -> Cersei chained her -> slept with Jaime and told him about Ellaria -> was informed the banker is there -> told the banker in 48 hours he will get his money
it's 48 hours, that's how long it took for Euron to sail to Casterly Rock, including both sieges at the Rock and in Highgarden
DarkJediKnight
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Yes. It could've been something Sam read "in a book" that was talking about a similar disease to greyscale and experimented on Jorah and found the right solution.
It simplistic and frankly dumb in how Jorah was cured.
She said fortnight, which I always felt was a vague set of "time" but it generally means 2 weeks.
Was Euron outside Casterly Rock? I thought it was just some of his forces.
A fortnight isn't 48 hours.
Harrison Bergeron
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And apparently they're going to release the episodes as well.
It's not 100% confirmed on the show, but it's damn near close.
Herr Schwarz
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No shit?! Any update to that? If its out there I'll have to watch it.
CaleDawkins
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I haven't seen it yet, but would love to give it a read.
You saw his giant flagship there.
Even Jon (who isn't the sharpest tool) pointed out that Dany could have already taken King's Landing. Tyrion's moves aren't meant to win the war. It would be quicker, have fewer casualities, and demand less risk if they had just attacked King's Landing from the onset instead of dicking around like they have been.
Clearly, I didn't. Man, the showrunners really don't care. If Euron wasn't there, the whole situation could have actually been explained. Now it's just silly.
Moff
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Harrison Bergeron
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Just this http://www.slashfilm.com/hbo-hack-game-of-thrones-episodes-scripts/
Don't know if they're out there yet.
chicken_pasta
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They kinda zoomed in on it. Hard to miss.