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[Peltz]

I share the skepticism, but improving the composite signal is precisely what it advertises. I imagine it's not worth the cost, but I'm still curious if anyone has tried it and what results they've gotten.

I'm going to assume that once a composite cable enters the equation, the "loss" of information in the image cannot be recovered, and all that's being done to "clean up" the composite image is to simply get rid of dot crawl (if it can even do that).

But still, as an economical alternative to NES RGB mods, if such a device does get rid of dot crawl with minimal lag and at the right price, I'd buy one in a heartbeat even if the image still looks soft and washed out. I was hoping XRGB Mini would eliminate the dot crawl, but alas, there's still a lot of noise via composite. And now that I've seen what RGB is capable of... not having my most cherished old school console in RGB is a bit difficult to endure these days.

But, on the other hand, other than mere price, there's something in my heart that I don't like about using palettes in an RGB mod that originate from an emulator. The purist inside me is a bit conflicted about it.

Spoiler

(Oh, who am I kidding? I'll probably get the mod and never look back.)

Edit - On another unrelated note, I have a request if it's not too much trouble:

Can someone post close-up photos of a 480p-native game running on a 480p-native CRT? I have not recently seen what this is really supposed to look like, and I'd like to at least have an idea as to what this looks like under the most ideal conditions so I can attempt to replicate it in my setup in some way. 480i and 480p are so tricky to do justice. I would like to know how much pixelization a 480p image should have when output natively.... I jumped into 1080i-land in like the year 1999, and then 720p-land way back in 2002 or so... which means I've never had much personal experience with an EDTV display.

Don't ask me why we had a HUGE 1080i CRT back in the 90s (it legitimately weighed over 250lbs)... but man did it upscale shit better than any other HDTV I've ever seen, may it rest in peace. :*(

 

[bacardi]

Hey guys,

There's a PVM i'm interested in getting - i heard it supports 480p - that would be nice for my wii/gamecube games. It's a Sony PVM-20M7MDE. I'm a little worried about it's 100hz support though. Should that be a concern? Thanks!

 

[ehnox]

Fixed.

You are right!

knowing its a gal just increased my respect and admiration for her. Shes pretty btw ;D

 

[BONKERS]

PS2 component output simply isn't very good. The Cube output is notoriously great.

I'd go RGB every time with the PS2.

Anyone ever do a comparison of RGB vs Component on the PS2?

 

[ehnox]

I share the skepticism, but improving the composite signal is precisely what it advertises. I imagine it's not worth the cost, but I'm still curious if anyone has tried it and what results they've gotten.

I tried to find screenshots of this converter and I found nothing,

"Restores analog video feed to component/RGB type video with all the vibrant and rich color information accurately presented again."

I would like to see the circuit schematic of this converter, but I really doubt they are going to share.
Well its a tempting solution for the NES but actually I am using the ED64plus built in NES emulator to play on my RGB N64 , not much fond of emulators but maybe one day I sell one of my organs and pay for a RGB NES.

 

[ehnox]

Anyone ever do a comparison of RGB vs Component on the PS2?

I can do that, I have PS2 component monster cables and SCART cables and a Sony RGB monitor, but I can only do that tomorrow , since I'm not in my cave at the moment.

I use a PS2 Slim model, I've alredy tried to compare once, but Its kind hard to tell if there is any improvement, the colors are slighty different but one is not better than the other.

According to Fudoh a german guy who is actually and expert on this subject said this:

"The PS2's component output is pretty amazing. It just contains more noise than the RGB signal. The BVMs have a near perfect LPF though, so I doubt that this brings any problems.

As far as I can tell (and I discussed this up and down elsewhere) chroma subsampling is only a problem on digital signals, so the only downside to YPbPr compared to RGB is that you only have two color channels (versus three on RGB). This said, if the source is doing it right, I think the visible differences are negliable."

 

[D.Lo]

But, on the other hand, other than mere price, there's something in my heart that I don't like about using palettes in an RGB mod that originate from an emulator. The purist inside me is a bit conflicted about it.

This is a non-issue. You can completely ignore the 'improved' palettes and run the regular one, which matches the normal composite palette as exactly as a better video connection could.

NESRGB has no downsides except there isn't yet a clean solution for an original Fami yet!

Can someone post close-up photos of a 480p-native game running on a 480p-native CRT? I have not recently seen what this is really supposed to look like, and I'd like to at least have an idea as to what this looks like under the most ideal conditions so I can attempt to replicate it in my setup in some way. 480i and 480p are so tricky to do justice. I would like to know how much pixelization a 480p image should have when output natively.... I jumped into 1080i-land in like the year 1999, and then 720p-land way back in 2002 or so... which means I've never had much personal experience with an EDTV display.

I've done a lot of tests like this with GCN, all via component.

I used to have a 480p Panasonic CRT, and I couldn't ever see much difference between 480i and 480p. Maybe some slightly better movement, but certainly not a major step up.

Now on my Panasonic Plasma, 480p is FAR better than 480i. Much sharper.

I think CRTs handle interlacing well, and the natural bleed and glow makes it all look pretty comparable, maybe just 10% worse?

Now what DOES make a huge difference on the CRT is 576i, for properly converted PAL games. Metroid Prime looks significantly better in 576i than it does in 480i or 480p, it's noticeably higher resolution. Of course badly converted PAL games look the same, just squashed, but the well done ones (on GCN that includes Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Pikmin 2 etc), 576i via component on a PAL CRT is the best image I have ever seen for these games.

So that's my experience with that.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

This is a non-issue. You can completely ignore the 'improved' palettes and run the regular one, which matches the normal composite palette as exactly as a better video connection could.

If we're being fussy about the details, the color generation process is one aspect of the NESRGB that probably should be classified as emulation. The original PPU is circumvented for that part, and an emulator's color palette is used as the reference. It's supposed to match the actual NES color palette anyway, though.

 

[D.Lo]

If we're being fussy about the details, the color generation process is one aspect of the NESRGB that probably should be classified as emulation. The original PPU is circumvented for that part, and an emulator's color palette is used as the reference. It's supposed to match the actual NES color palette anyway, though.

True, there's no original analogue part that ever created consumer NES RGB colour (apart form the garish colours or PC10 chips, of which a matching palette is included in NESRGB).

It's not really emulation though, it's creating something that never existed (analogue RGB output).

Using the original palette I have never noticed a colour to look wrong, even on games I've played for 25 years.

 

[SegaShack]

RGB monitor owners, this may interest you.

Got my Extron Switch in the mail today. My goal was to not only have it switch between Comp and RGB for me on my PVM 20L5, but also serve as an AV receiver for all my inputs. I found the manual online, set the dip switches accordingly, and sure enough it worked perfectly.

I made a video showcasing and explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_PzpR1sIw

Basically I can now select from 8 inputs that can be RCA, S-Video, RGBS, or Component, without ever changing cables. Total cost was $40 shipped.

The BKM-129x expansion card sells for well over $100. I'm beyond happy with this and am glad it worked so easily (manual made it seem complicated).

you think this is good enough?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXTRON-MODE...531?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338952de3b

See the above.

 

[Peltz]

RGB monitor owners, this may interest you.

Got my Extron Switch in the mail today. My goal was to not only have it switch between Comp and RGB for me on my PVM 20L5, but also serve as an AV receiver for all my inputs. I found the manual online, set the dip switches accordingly, and sure enough it worked perfectly.

I made a video showcasing and explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_PzpR1sIw

Basically I can now select from 8 inputs that can be RCA, S-Video, RGBS, or Component, without ever changing cables. Total cost was $40 shipped.

The BKM-129x expansion card sells for well over $100. I'm beyond happy with this and am glad it worked so easily (manual made it seem complicated).



See the above.

I started drooling at 1:07. So many inputs.. such a cool switch/setup. Seeing it actually put me in a good mood.

If I got a monitor as great as yours, I'd definitely grab one of those switches.

 

[sixteen-bit]

RGB monitor owners, this may interest you.

Got my Extron Switch in the mail today. My goal was to not only have it switch between Comp and RGB for me on my PVM 20L5, but also serve as an AV receiver for all my inputs. I found the manual online, set the dip switches accordingly, and sure enough it worked perfectly.

I made a video showcasing and explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_PzpR1sIw

Basically I can now select from 8 inputs that can be RCA, S-Video, RGBS, or Component, without ever changing cables. Total cost was $40 shipped.

The BKM-129x expansion card sells for well over $100. I'm beyond happy with this and am glad it worked so easily (manual made it seem complicated).



See the above.

Neat, thanks for the heads up.

 

[SegaShack]

Neat, thanks for the heads up.

I started drooling at 1:07. So many inputs.. such a cool switch/setup. Seeing it actually put me in a good mood.

If I got a monitor as great as yours, I'd definitely grab one of those switches.

Hahaha, glad you guys liked it. It really is like AV porn. I knew people in this thread would like it.

It looks surprisingly nice on top of my TV, was just the right size.

 

[Exuro]

So I picked up a 32x for my genesis 2 today. Blacks no longer cause the rainbow effect which is great, however I'm a little puzzled by something. The cable av that the 32x came with has only two pins on it and is also only mono sound. I figured I could just use the genesis 2 av cable that I have to get stereo for for some reason it doesn't play any sound when I use it. Is that just how it works? I find it strange as the port looks made for the g2 av cable. Anyone know whats up?

 

[Sixfortyfive]

AV cables should work the same on a Genesis 2 and 32X.

Does the cable work correctly on the Genesis itself?

 

[Exuro]

AV cables should work the same on a Genesis 2 and 32X.

Does the cable work correctly on the Genesis itself?

Yeah, I've ran it like that before getting it and the sounds works. Then I try it with the 32x and I only get video.

EDIT: Alright nevermind. I pressed it in real hard because its a tight fit but its now playing sound. Sorry about that. I feel better about getting a scart cable now though. How does scart handle video? The scart to component boxes dont look like the have them so I'm not sure how that's supposed to work whenever I dive into that.

EDIT2: not resolved. While it is playing its only playing in mono. It I unplug the red wire it switches speakers and if i unplug the white wire it doesn't play any sound

Also seems like if i nudge the cart even a little bit it breaks the game. Is that how all 32xs are? That and not playing stereo properly is making me want to take this back.

Alright seems like the port is just picky. the av cable I have feels a little too thick so its a really tight fit and needs to be in just right. I tested out sonic 2 and the coins volume was alternating so its running stereo for sure.

Also seems like the catridge part is picky. I'm having a really hard time getting the image back on.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

The 32X should come with spacers/adapters for the cartridge slot that probably have an effect on how stable the connection is. I never messed with one personally, though.

 

[GayForMaster]

RGB monitor owners, this may interest you.

Got my Extron Switch in the mail today. My goal was to not only have it switch between Comp and RGB for me on my PVM 20L5, but also serve as an AV receiver for all my inputs. I found the manual online, set the dip switches accordingly, and sure enough it worked perfectly.

I made a video showcasing and explaining it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_PzpR1sIw

Basically I can now select from 8 inputs that can be RCA, S-Video, RGBS, or Component, without ever changing cables. Total cost was $40 shipped.

The BKM-129x expansion card sells for well over $100. I'm beyond happy with this and am glad it worked so easily (manual made it seem complicated).

Intredasting. So I would just need to switch the RGB/COMP accordingly depending on which consoles I use? That doesn't sound too bad. Any chance you could link that Extron switch? I think I'm going to need another banbridge thing as well to compensate for my left over RGB consoles.

 

[Exuro]

The 32X should come with spacers/adapters for the cartridge slot that probably have an effect on how stable the connection is. I never messed with one personally, though.

Yeah it came with it. I'm thinking something internal is slipping like a ribbon. I kinda want to open it up and check it out vs returning it since I just fixed my dreamcast. It's not displaying video on either cable now so i think something slid out.

Edit: I'm just going to return it tomorrow and maybe look for some more $4 games for the genesis/dreamcast to build up my collection. Will the scart cable + component adapter produce similar results? I was really liking the blacks being a solid color instead of stripes.

 

[dodgeme]

Well I just won this today

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLYMPUS-OEV...Cy6zh6l2PLr%2BbXqV2D0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Only came to $115 or so after shipping so I guess I am a member of the 20" PVM club now.

On a side note if anyone is looking to buy my 14 inch Olympus OEV 143 which is just a rebranded Sony PVM I will be looking to sell that soon as I really don't need to keep a ton of these lying around.

 

[Peltz]

FYI, not good shots at all, but I finally got around to doing this. Here is a comparison between RGB (by retro_console_accessories) vs Component (1st party) both captured with same settings on the Framemeister.

RGB:

Component:

Sorry, I have no way of directly capturing this. I wish we can save screenshots onto the SD card in the Framemeister. The difference is quite noticeable in person. The iphone pics are not really picking up what I'm seeing.

In person, the color red via Component looks a bit oversaturated and dominates the picture a bit too much. For example, the gold shine on the right most part of the red Castlevania logo (in the corners) is far more pronounced via RGB than it is via Component.

Color separation is indeed just far more pristine over RGB. Which is very interesting considering both pictures are equally sharp and detailed. I could find nothing "lost" via component or vice versa. Each image has the same level of detail. Based on my gut and observations, it feels like each pixel represents the same exact thing, but RGB perhaps just looks slightly more "calibrated" and natural without any adjustments. Component looks like someone changed the tint/chroma/color settings to look slighty inaccurate.

But sharpness, contrast, brightness, and details and even overall IQ looks pretty much the same.

Edit: dodgeme, check your PM's.

EDIT: THIS POST IS OUTDATED AND INACCURATE. SEE:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137614777&postcount=5722

 

[SegaShack]

Intredasting. So I would just need to switch the RGB/COMP accordingly depending on which consoles I use? That doesn't sound too bad. Any chance you could link that Extron switch? I think I'm going to need another banbridge thing as well to compensate for my left over RGB consoles.

Yes, you would have to manually switch in the menu of the TV. Just search Extron system 8 or "Extron 8" on ebay and you will find a ton.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Will the scart cable + component adapter produce similar results? I was really liking the blacks being a solid color instead of stripes.

Yes, virtually all colors will be solid as they can be that way. It will be miles above the composite picture you're looking at currently. Miles. Still, you're going to have to mess with your picture, brightness, sharpness, and color settings once you're hooked up for maximum quality. If you're daring, you could also mess with service menu, but I would leave that alone until you've exhausted all normal tweaking options.

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Why can't I find a good component supported CRT in downtown toronto that can be delivered to me? =(

curse not being able to drive. My current CRT only takes composite, I can't take the blurriness any longer

 

[SegaShack]

You are right!

knowing its a gal just increased my respect and admiration for her. Shes pretty btw ;D

So sexist...

 

[Timu]

Sorry, I have no way of directly capturing this.

Get a capture card.=O

 

[GayForMaster]

Yes, you would have to manually switch in the menu of the TV. Just search Extron system 8 or "Extron 8" on ebay and you will find a ton.

I'm guessing you're in murrica, huh? I see what you have on ebay but it's about $100 total since I'm canadian =/
Though it is indeed a golden item.

Oh... so by the way, I would have to route the audio to a sound device, and not the extron, right? If I were using RGB/Component at least? That is what I'm getting from glancing at this. I see inputs for either RGB + Sync or Video + L/R Audio. I would feel that this is an important question because I'll never use composite or s-video, only purely RGB. Now this is getting a bit complicated, but I feel like my final setup would look something like this:

Now, this is of course assuming my component box only takes 3 inputs. I'd probably have 1 only if there were 4 or 5 inputs, but I can't find an automatic one that can do more than 3. 2 SCART Boxes is all I'll ever need since it's more than enough, both of which will be automatic. All I'll need to do is push a button on the extron, and push a button on the audio switch (unless I can get an automatic one for that too).

You are right!

knowing its a gal just increased my respect and admiration for her. Shes pretty btw ;D

 

[D.Lo]

FYI, not good shots at all, but I finally got around to doing this. Here is a comparison between RGB (by retro_console_accessories) vs Component (1st party) both captured with same settings on the Framemeister.

RGB:

Component:

Sorry, I have no way of directly capturing this. I wish we can save screenshots onto the SD card in the Framemeister. The difference is quite noticeable in person. The iphone pics are not really picking up what I'm seeing.

In person, the color red via Component looks a bit oversaturated and dominates the picture a bit too much. For example, the gold shine on the right most part of the red Castlevania logo (in the corners) is far more pronounced via RGB than it is via Component.

Color separation is indeed just far more pristine over RGB. Which is very interesting considering both pictures are equally sharp and detailed. I could find nothing "lost" via component or vice versa. Each image has the same level of detail. Based on my gut and observations, it feels like each pixel represents the same exact thing, but RGB perhaps just looks slightly more "calibrated" and natural without any adjustments. Component looks like someone changed the tint/chroma/color settings to look slighty inaccurate.

But sharpness, contrast, brightness, and details and even overall IQ looks pretty much the same.

Edit: dodgeme, check your PM's.

Awesome thanks dude, beat me to it!

Hmm I'll try this myself soon.

 

[Peltz]

Get a capture card.=O

Some day I definitely will.

 

[Timu]

Some day I definitely will.

I can recommend you some, I have 2 even, 1 for retro consoles and other for current consoles.

 

[Later Alligator]

is this a good monitor? it is rgb capable?

PANASONIC CT-2010-YC

 

[Peltz]

is this a good monitor? it is rgb capable?

PANASONIC CT-2010-YC

Sorry, there are no RGB inputs:

It's probably a great S-Video monitor though. It looks almost exactly like my RGB monitor, but without the RGB. When I first picked it up and brought it home, I had never owned any RGB cables, so I tested it with S-Video and was pretty floored by the quality.

Here's the back panel of mine:

You need that vertical column of stuff on the right which allows for RGBSync and Component (although component support isn't necessary). By the way, does anyone know what that VTR thing does? I've been wondering what else I can do with this monitor. I have no idea what the 75/Hi-Z inputs are about either... I just assumed they were composite.

Timu, do you have an economical model of capture card you'd suggest? I've never really shopped for one.

 

[Gameboy415]

I came across this Kickstarter today - a group called HD Retrovision is making plug-and-play Component Cables for SNES & SEGA Genesis!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

I doubt they'll be provide as great an image as a dedicated upscaler, but the provided comparison videos look pretty good to me so I went ahead and backed em.

 

[Peltz]

I came across this Kickstarter today - a group called HD Retrovision is making plug-and-play Component Cables for SNES & SEGA Genesis!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

I doubt they'll be provide as great an image as a dedicated upscaler, but the provided comparison videos look pretty good to me so I went ahead and backed em.

Yea someone brought those up a few pages back. Just make sure your TV can accept 240p via component. Most HDTV's don't accept it or scale it rather poorly.

And and you're right. It cannot substitute for a scaler because nothing is being scaled. Your TV is still scaling. These cables are just converting the RGB to Component. You still may need a scaler.

 

[Timu]

I came across this Kickstarter today - a group called HD Retrovision is making plug-and-play Component Cables for SNES & SEGA Genesis!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

I doubt they'll be provide as great an image as a dedicated upscaler, but the provided comparison videos look pretty good to me so I went ahead and backed em.

I hope this succeeds.

 

[antibolo]

I came across this Kickstarter today - a group called HD Retrovision is making plug-and-play Component Cables for SNES & SEGA Genesis!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

I doubt they'll be provide as great an image as a dedicated upscaler, but the provided comparison videos look pretty good to me so I went ahead and backed em.

Yeah we discussed about it here, starting near the end of page 110. I strongly recommend you go check that discussion so you know what you're getting into.

 

[baphomet]

I came across this Kickstarter today - a group called HD Retrovision is making plug-and-play Component Cables for SNES & SEGA Genesis!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hdretrovision/sega-genesis-and-super-nintendo-component-cables

I doubt they'll be provide as great an image as a dedicated upscaler, but the provided comparison videos look pretty good to me so I went ahead and backed em.

Unfortunately a very large percentage of HDTVs don't accept 240p or don't know what to do with it. These would be good for people using a crt with component that don't want to purchase an rgb to component converter. Unfortunately that's about it.

 

[Gameboy415]

Yea someone brought those up a few pages back. Just make sure your TV can accept 240p via component. Most HDTV's don't accept it or scale it rather poorly.

And and you're right. It cannot substitute for a scaler because nothing is being scaled. Your TV is still scaling. These cables are just converting the RGB to Component. You still may need a scaler.

Ah yeah, I just noticed that. I didn't think it had been mentioned yet considering the Kickstarter just went live today (11/1).
I'd be using the cables with my HD CRT (Sony XBR960, to be specific) so I don't think I'll have any problems.

 

[antibolo]

Ah yeah, I just noticed that. I didn't think it had been mentioned yet considering the Kickstarter just went live today (11/1).
I'd be using the cables with my HD CRT (Sony XBR960, to be specific) so I don't think I'll have any problems.

Oh then you'll be fine.

 

[BONKERS]

FYI, not good shots at all, but I finally got around to doing this. Here is a comparison between RGB (by retro_console_accessories) vs Component (1st party) both captured with same settings on the Framemeister.

RGB:

Component:

Sorry, I have no way of directly capturing this. I wish we can save screenshots onto the SD card in the Framemeister. The difference is quite noticeable in person. The iphone pics are not really picking up what I'm seeing.

In person, the color red via Component looks a bit oversaturated and dominates the picture a bit too much. For example, the gold shine on the right most part of the red Castlevania logo (in the corners) is far more pronounced via RGB than it is via Component.

Color separation is indeed just far more pristine over RGB. Which is very interesting considering both pictures are equally sharp and detailed. I could find nothing "lost" via component or vice versa. Each image has the same level of detail. Based on my gut and observations, it feels like each pixel represents the same exact thing, but RGB perhaps just looks slightly more "calibrated" and natural without any adjustments. Component looks like someone changed the tint/chroma/color settings to look slighty inaccurate.

But sharpness, contrast, brightness, and details and even overall IQ looks pretty much the same.

Edit: dodgeme, check your PM's.

Thanks for pictures. There is definitely a difference. Though I don't think this should deter people from using Component either.



Also: Nice to see that Kickstarter go up, but i'm really irritated they still went with this "HD" nonsense crap.

That is just going to confuse the FUCK outta average joes.


I really want to back this KS. But 70$ for both cables? And being basically a test pig?

Ugh..

 

[D.Lo]

Also: Nice to see that Kickstarter go up, but i'm really irritated they still went with this "HD" nonsense crap.

That is just going to confuse the FUCK outta average joes.


I really want to back this KS. But 70$ for both cables? And being basically a test pig?

Ugh..

But 'HD Retrovision' will 'Bring your retro consoles into the HD era!'

...carrying an image 1/3 the resolution of SD...

EDIT: I finally looked at the kickstarter properly. Why exactly do they need $25,000? It's not a 'new' chip they've made or anything. The PC Engine community developed basically the same chip and this guy surface mounted it and sells them for $25, no kickstarters required. And why do they have the worst video I've ever seen? And why do they have software engineers for a pure hardware product?

Anyway get yourself this for $55 delivered instead, plus SNES and MD RGB cables for $10 each, and you can have everything these cables do for every other console that supports RGB too.

 

[Peltz]

But 'HD Retrovision' will 'Bring your retro consoles into the HD era!'

...carrying an image 1/3 the resolution of SD...

EDIT: I finally looked at the kickstarter properly. Why exactly do they need $25,000? It's not a 'new' chip they've made or anything. The PC Engine community developed basically the same chip and this guy surface mounted it and sells them for $25, no kickstarters required. And why do they have the worst video I've ever seen? And why do they have software engineers for a pure hardware product?

Anyway get yourself this for $55 delivered instead, plus SNES and MD RGB cables for $10 each, and you can have everything these cables do for every other console that supports RGB too.

Yea, that is the better value once you realize that you can use it for all RGB cables. I feel like their kickstarter is preying on people who haven't done their research. Sorry to be cynical.

Spoiler

.. but not really.

 

[Ocaso]

And though they acknowledge it, the possibility that your TV won't handle the image correctly should weigh on everyone's mind as well. I mean, I like the idea, but the cables do seem overpriced and do not negate the need for a scaler for most people.

 

[antibolo]

And though they acknowledge it, the possibility that your TV won't handle the image correctly should weigh on everyone's mind as well. I mean, I like the idea, but the cables do seem overpriced and do not negate the need for a scaler for most people.

That's the thing, they don't negate the need for an upscaler at all. Even if 240p component works on your TV, it may still have problems, most likely lag.

 

[BONKERS]

But they claim they custom changed each cable/chip for each console to get the best possible stuff! hurr durr/sarcasm

 

[speedlolita]

Never underestimate the stupidity of people.

 

[Ocaso]

Never underestimate the stupidity of people.

Well, let's be a little fair. If all you're using is composite and your TV doesn't have a SCART slot, this may be a better or more convenient solution than springing for a SCART cable plus a converter or upscaler. Some people might not care about deinterlacing artifacts or notice input lag. It's also worth noting that it's easier for many to find a component switch box than a SCART switch box, so they could be more convenient in that sense as well. There is a niche for this cable. I just think it's slightly overpriced and still has drawbacks that can't be overlooked.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

There's definitely an appeal in that sort of cable. It'd just be better for everyone involved if the manufacturer was more up-front about what that specific appeal is.

It's perfect for someone who wants a simple-as-possible solution for a CRT TV with component inputs. It's going to leave something to be desired for anything else.

 

[Timu]

Well one of my capture cards capture 240p over component so it can be useful for me at least!

 

[D.Lo]

Well, let's be a little fair. If all you're using is composite and your TV doesn't have a SCART slot, this may be a better or more convenient solution than springing for a SCART cable plus a converter or upscaler. Some people might not care about deinterlacing artifacts or notice input lag. It's also worth noting that it's easier for many to find a component switch box than a SCART switch box, so they could be more convenient in that sense as well. There is a niche for this cable. I just think it's slightly overpriced and still has drawbacks that can't be overlooked.

Yeah it's not the product or idea itself, it's the shady positioning and price.

The only really good use of it it for a component CRT. And in that case it likely has s-video as well, which for 240p has eneough chroma bandwidth to match YUV, so will likely look 99% as good (RGB is better than either), so the SNES cable is somewhat pointless for that too.