PumpkinSpice
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Compression isn't going to play nice with fake scanlines.
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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speaking of Wii Component cables, is there any difference between the quality of D-Terminal vs Component cables and vs monoprice component cables?
there wouldn't be scanlines if you captured the raw SD image from the consoles. why go through all the trouble for them?
there wouldn't be scanlines if you captured the raw SD image from the consoles. why go through all the trouble for them?
Ivan Amiibo
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that's what i figured.
SD to my el gato which uses a HDMI pass through to my plasma? nah. I was just wondering if I could get them to look nice on stream like they do on my tv.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yes!! I am probably joining the PVM club tonight. I just got a line on a FREE Sony PVM 2530 that I have been assured is like new quality.
Any thoughts on that monitor for gaming?
Any thoughts on that monitor for gaming?
Hero_of_the_Day
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Little cross promotion here. I've ended up with two mini's because of an odd ebayer and a package being lost. Thought I'd see if anyone here was interested in it before I just returned it to the seller. I'm in the US so you'll get it nice and quick. Just looking to get enough to cover the cost of it.
Post in buy/sell/trade thread.
Post in buy/sell/trade thread.
Huggers
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Solid crt. Definitely good that it is like new as that's an older model and could well have had a lot of hours of screen on time. I think that model is 500 lines so it won't be top end broadcast monitor picture wise but still very good.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Thanks for the input! I just got it setup. After a few hours of disappointment, I got to fiddling with the pots on the inside, and now I'm a true believer! It looks fantastic, and I'm happy to lean on this for my authentic retro needs.
This monitor definitely hadn't been overused in a business environment, like so many other PVMs. The craigslist seller who gave it to me for free was the first buyer circa ~1990-1991, and he rarely used it. It still had the box, manual and remote, like new.
Apparently he bought it at a retail store (I know the exact store he means, a specific A&B Sound location, which is a Canadian chain closed years ago), and it was not for any production purpose. My takeaway was that, despite our perception of these as industrial monitors, budding videophiles in the 80s and early 90s actually bought these for home use. These are the people that bought laserdiscs and such. The fact that they'd sell it at retail changed my perception of these as being exclusively for hospitals, etc.
Charles Brandon
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PVMs seem to be ten a penny on ebay UK. They usually seem to have "trinitron" branding. I take it these are lesser models?
Huggers
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Cheers Khaz. Ha well there's also a Saturn to add to that top shelf too. Yeah the screen isn't definitely settled there, going to play around with it for sure
They vary Geoff. A couple of the 100 odd quid ones that have gone in the last few months the have been very decent. Depends on the model number
Charles Brandon
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ok - some are going for like £20, I take it these ones are shite-tier examples.
I guess I need to do some more research. Might be a nice option to have if I can get one cheaply.
I guess I need to do some more research. Might be a nice option to have if I can get one cheaply.
Charles Brandon
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Has anyone tried to compare a Trinitron PVM to a consumer Trinitron with Scart RGB? I'm interested to know how big the difference is between them, picture-wise. I like that consumer Trinitrons can be found for nothing, come in bigger sizes and have consumer-friendly options (remote control, Scart socket, auto switch on Scart, decent sound, etc.)
BuffetChamp
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Friend made me a unit to house all my gear. Really pleased with the new set up.
Nice little set up. Doesn't take that much space either.
Huggers
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It depends on the model of PVM/BVM. A 500 line broadcast monitor won't give a dramatically better pic than a consumer Trinitron but still noticeably better. An 800 line one will look vastly better
Thanks mate. Yeah it was a real mess before hand. Made a huge difference
Charles Brandon
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all my shit is so jammed in LOL
sixteen-bit
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there's gotta be a dramatic difference in TVLs, right?
I believe there's a widescreen 480p hack through a homebrew program called Swiss. All you need is a Datel SD card reader to get it working.
Personally, I use it to force 240p on Game Boy Player, but it's real versatile software.
Huggers
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all my shit is so jammed in LOL
Haha only just noticed the WiiU
Charles Brandon
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bless him
speedlolita
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Not necessarily. If you can make your way into London you can pick up lovely quality PVM via auction for under a tenner.
I paid £30 posted for my KX-14CP1, £20 posted for my RGB Sony 9" PVM.
Mmm.
Charles Brandon
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I'm in London, so that's OK
sixteen-bit
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Lol, I love how it says SUPER FAMICOM right there in the title screen. I've only played the SNES version.Not necessarily. If you can make your way into London you can pick up lovely quality PVM via auction for under a tenner.
I paid £30 posted for my KX-14CP1, £20 posted for my RGB Sony 9" PVM.
Mmm.
Your screen has a stuck red pixel !!!
jk, it's your camera
CRT can't have dead pixels, kids.
speedlolita
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Hah! Well I'm a tight arse and a JP cart was a mere £8 posted from Japan.
Charles Brandon
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Scart switch
sixteen-bit
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smart way would be to invest in a swtich
sixteen-bit
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IIRC, Hama or Bandridge for SCART, Selecty 21 for JP21
IrishNinja
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Friend made me a unit to house all my gear. Really pleased with the new set up.
all my shit is so jammed in LOL
these setups are adorable
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's the whole title screen too. It lacks the nice "castle" backdrop that was added to the Western version.
sixteen-bit
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Friend made me a unit to house all my gear. Really pleased with the new set up.
Got space for another CRT too!
Thanks! That Hama-one seems to have gotten decent reviews.
Another thing I wonder though, which might be a bit harder to asnwer. Before when I switched between my Pal and NTSC Snes and other consoles, I could always use the same cables, but with Scart everybody says this wont work and even warns about it. Why is that so? And considering most information online is about getting NTSC-systems to work, does that mean that I need some different equipement for instance to get a Pal Snes to work with the Framemaister? Or will it be enough to just use the Scart and plug it in there?
Btw, this is the worst part about having tons of games:
I am moving
This box shows Wii U, PS3 and Famicom, as well as original Xbox and 360 games hidden below.
Huggers
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Well I actually just put one away but I'm keeping my options open if another PVM/BVM appears locally. My girlfriend has it in her head her record player is going there. The fucking hipster
theSlacker
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Plant that BVM right in the middle of that with 2 bookshelf speakers on either side. Better do it fast before it becomes a record player stand.
Huggers
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Good plan. Fortunately it weighs almost the same as she does so she's no chance of shifting it back!
Charles Brandon
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First you'll need a cable to convert mini din on the FM to euro scart female. Then all you need is a scart lead. If you have one lead that physically fits in all your consoles and ends in a male scart connector I can't see why that would be a problem if you wanted to switch it back and forth.
Then again I'm no expert
Charles Brandon
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Pal SNES to FM via scart should be fine as long as you get the adaptor.
So, lets say I get this adapter, can I then plug that one to a SCART switch, and then plug both NTSC and Pal-systems to that switch, or would I need two seperate swtiches and adapters, one for the Pal-systems and one for the NTSC-systems? This is really complicated lol.
PS2 and 3DS-games in the box:
PS2 and 3DS-games in the box:
Eraser_Arcade
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This past weekend I went to my local goodwill, and I noticed that they had all of their old CRT TVs on sell for a dollar each. So I looked around their TV section, and I saw that they had a Sony Trinitron 20'' TV. I've been looking to buy a CRT for a while now (particularly the Trinitron series). And while this TV wasnt in the perfect shape (The top of TV is a little scuffed up, and the front cover panel won't stay latched), for a dollar, it was easily minor faults to overlook. I plugin the TV to make sure it worked, which it did, and then I took it home to clean up & try out.
Here are some pictures of the the TV I've took with my phone's camera.
Here are some pictures of the the TV I've took with my phone's camera.
As you can probably tell, I don't have a place for the TV yet, which is why it's on the floor. I'll look for a cheap TV stand sometime later this week.
Here's an shot of the scuffed up part of TV that I had mention earlier. I was thinking about maybe placing a sticker/decal to cover it up. Something like an Nintendo logo, or retro gaming related.
speedlolita
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So, lets say I get this adapter, can I then plug that one to a SCART switch, and then plug both NTSC and Pal-systems to that switch, or would I need two seperate swtiches and adapters, one for the Pal-systems and one for the NTSC-systems? This is really complicated lol.
PS2 and 3DS-games in the box:
The 50Hz PS2 games, it hurts...
I know, got most of them before I knew about this stuff unfortunately
I would actually say it applies to like 75% of my collection, which really sucks now that I know about it
speedlolita
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I have 29 PAL GameCube games, and 28 of them support 60Hz. Luigi's Mansion is 50Hz optimised fullscreen. Granted they don't support 480p, I went PAL because I was given an official RGB cable for nothing and the cables required to make an NTSC RGB cable cost stupid money.
Most PAL Dreamcast games are 60Hz too. I seem to recall the Xbox forces 60Hz depending on the system setting.
Then you have the PlayStation 2, which is extremely hit or miss. The three PAL titles I have, FFX/X-2/XII I also have NTSC-U copies of to play...
Anything prior to the sixth generation of consoles though I avoid PAL software like the plague.
Most PAL Dreamcast games are 60Hz too. I seem to recall the Xbox forces 60Hz depending on the system setting.
Then you have the PlayStation 2, which is extremely hit or miss. The three PAL titles I have, FFX/X-2/XII I also have NTSC-U copies of to play...
Anything prior to the sixth generation of consoles though I avoid PAL software like the plague.
I avoid PAL in general, I don't want dat 50HZ.=p
PumpkinSpice
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50 hurts.
Reaaaaaly glad I never had to deal with any of that in Canada.
Reaaaaaly glad I never had to deal with any of that in Canada.
NormalFish
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is there a list of games (preferably PSX games) that have 60hz options for PAL?
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