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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Yeah, I already told them and they responded within half an hour...really good service. their response was to wait until Wednesday then they will take up a claim with Japan Post if there is no change.
If they reimburse me that would be great. I'm still worried they wouldn't be able to though.
I see. I totally understand your feelings, but I'd wait just another week, before giving up hope.
It's a complete different story, because I usually buy less expensive stuff, which comes from private sellers, rather than web-stores like Solaris... Buy yeah, everytime I buy from Japan I always ask for registered airmail. Sure it's kinda slow to get to my door, and sits down for one week at customs systematically, but the tracking number gets converted into Italian registered parcel, once it arrives in Italy, and it never goes out of radar.
It's a complete different story, because I usually buy less expensive stuff, which comes from private sellers, rather than web-stores like Solaris... Buy yeah, everytime I buy from Japan I always ask for registered airmail. Sure it's kinda slow to get to my door, and sits down for one week at customs systematically, but the tracking number gets converted into Italian registered parcel, once it arrives in Italy, and it never goes out of radar.
Yep. Mine is fully registered and tracked too. But that doesn't mean anything when it's lost. Other than proving my case, of course.
Nagito Komaeda from Danganronpa. Has an almost godlike level of luck - which usually results in bad luck for others around him.
Also imo one of the greatest examples I have ever encountered in gaming in terms of development and character. Ever. Singlehandedly turns DR2 into the greatest example of shit got real I have ever seen
Has anyone every used something like this?
What I'm trying to do is use my Laptop as a monitor for a SNES(although I may fool around with capturing later).
Will that work?
Basically, I'm going to be using it at a bar and I'll probably use a clone handheld I have since I can't guarantee access to a TV or an outlet. Will this work and be decent?
What I'm trying to do is use my Laptop as a monitor for a SNES(although I may fool around with capturing later).
Will that work?
Basically, I'm going to be using it at a bar and I'll probably use a clone handheld I have since I can't guarantee access to a TV or an outlet. Will this work and be decent?
You'll probably get at least a second delay with something like that.
More than that. I have one I used to capture Hi8 footage with.
It's about two seconds or so.
Oh yeah, I heard of that but haven't seen it, sounds interesting.
Nagito Komaeda from Danganronpa. Has an almost godlike level of luck - which usually results in bad luck for others around him.
Also imo one of the greatest examples I have ever encountered in gaming in terms of development and character. Ever. Singlehandedly turns DR2 into the greatest example of shit got real I have ever seen
Good. Now don't look up a single thing about any of the games, ever. Avoid everything. Until youve finished them.
Any advice to give to someone who is willing to post a 17" JVC monitor?
My first contact with PVMworld has been quite brutal, but that was due to an old and crappy monitor... The shipping itself didn't add any problem. That was a little 14" PVM, though, while this new one is a JVC TMH1750C. Is there anything especially useful, when it comes to pack a monitor like that, in order to expect and get it safe? The seller seems trustworthy, but he told me he never posted anything like that before, and sounded pretty much clueless.
My first contact with PVMworld has been quite brutal, but that was due to an old and crappy monitor... The shipping itself didn't add any problem. That was a little 14" PVM, though, while this new one is a JVC TMH1750C. Is there anything especially useful, when it comes to pack a monitor like that, in order to expect and get it safe? The seller seems trustworthy, but he told me he never posted anything like that before, and sounded pretty much clueless.
Screen down....apparently.
You will probably be reimbursed for your list items, if they are indeed lost, but it will be a frustrating process.
Thanks and... Nevermind. It's disheartening to realize how a good 90% of the people who deal in this PVM/pro monitors market, here in Italy, seem to be nothing more than dodgy scammers. :/
Hopefully, I'll be able to get my hands on an OSSC unit before I'm too old, lol.
Fingers crossed for you Rich!
When my stuff gets lost I always worry that I'll have to get reimbursed through the postal system and they will only pay out the value written on the customs slip, and when most sellers undervalue stuff (even though I don't ask them to) I feel like that's a huge risk.
When my stuff gets lost I always worry that I'll have to get reimbursed through the postal system and they will only pay out the value written on the customs slip, and when most sellers undervalue stuff (even though I don't ask them to) I feel like that's a huge risk.
It shouldn't matter. A shipment is the responsibility of the seller up until it's in your mailbox / you signed for it. The choice of the transporter, the value declaration, any damage or loss is their responsibility, not the client's. Some sellers give their client the choice, to be more competitive or to attract customers, but ultimately it's on them entirely.
I've never encountered a professional seller who gave me any sort of trouble when a package wasn't delivered or arrived broken. They will reimburse you the price you paid for the item you didn't get or send another parcel, and deal with their postal service to get their value back. If they underestimated the value to dodge taxes, it's their loss, not yours. Even if they did it at your demand.
The real risk is with mail forwarding services. As they don't sell you the product, you have de facto more responsibility. The original seller fulfilled their side of the contract and successfully delivered the item they sold to the address you gave. The mail forwarder, while still responsible for the shipment, will only refund you the value you asked them to fill on the customs declaration if the parcel ever gets lost. Damages are ultimately on you too, even though you can ask them to file a complaint and they would give you whatever money they can get off their insurance company.
I've never encountered a professional seller who gave me any sort of trouble when a package wasn't delivered or arrived broken. They will reimburse you the price you paid for the item you didn't get or send another parcel, and deal with their postal service to get their value back. If they underestimated the value to dodge taxes, it's their loss, not yours. Even if they did it at your demand.
The real risk is with mail forwarding services. As they don't sell you the product, you have de facto more responsibility. The original seller fulfilled their side of the contract and successfully delivered the item they sold to the address you gave. The mail forwarder, while still responsible for the shipment, will only refund you the value you asked them to fill on the customs declaration if the parcel ever gets lost. Damages are ultimately on you too, even though you can ask them to file a complaint and they would give you whatever money they can get off their insurance company.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'm now in the possession of a 720p lag tester. For curiosity's sake, I decided to use it on the XRGB-3 (which is capable of handling 720p inputs, but not 1080p inputs).
From past experience with this style of lag tester, I can tell there's a margin of error of a few tenths of a millisecond; if you keep it positioned in the same sensor for long enough, the reading will fluctuate in either direction just a little bit. I've never seen it vary by more than 0.5ms, though.
Flow:
testing device -> HDMI -> HDFury2 -> VGA -> XRGB-3 (B1 mode) -> VGA -> monitor
So, I'm pretty confident in saying that the XRGB-3 has less than a single millisecond of lag when all is said and done. (Yes, it's weird that the bottom marker's reading is actually lower on the XRGB-3 than it is with a direct input. I wouldn't read too much into it though. Like I said, there's a small margin of error with this thing. The important takeaway is that the readings fall within that margin of error.)
From past experience with this style of lag tester, I can tell there's a margin of error of a few tenths of a millisecond; if you keep it positioned in the same sensor for long enough, the reading will fluctuate in either direction just a little bit. I've never seen it vary by more than 0.5ms, though.
Flow:
testing device -> HDMI -> HDFury2 -> VGA -> XRGB-3 (B1 mode) -> VGA -> monitor
So, I'm pretty confident in saying that the XRGB-3 has less than a single millisecond of lag when all is said and done. (Yes, it's weird that the bottom marker's reading is actually lower on the XRGB-3 than it is with a direct input. I wouldn't read too much into it though. Like I said, there's a small margin of error with this thing. The important takeaway is that the readings fall within that margin of error.)
Yeah, if anything, I think there's another problem where 720 horizontal gets squished into 480 horizontal. This makes the picture look narrow. Maybe it's just my imagination, but when I play MvC2 stages feel a little cramped. YMMV
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
If you're connecting a Dreamcast VGA source, you want to pick 720x480 as the input resolution, because that's what the Dreamcast outputs. Picking 640 will squish the image.
The HDFury basically adds no lag, correct? Appears that way from your test. I have a HDFury IV and was always curious. It's advertised on its site as adding no lag in the conversion to RGB or Component.
Splash Wave
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How difficult/expensive is it to fix the component inputs on a CRT? I have a decent old Sony Wega that I'd like to use for more SD games, but only the composite inputs currently work.
I'm sure Solaris will replace it for you. Prob nothing to worry about.
The only thing similar I've had recently was a First 4 Figures statue that customs decided had drugs hidden inside and drilled into the base. Ugh...
First 4 Figures just sent me a new base after seeing photos of the damaged one. I was worried initially cos they only put $50 USD on all their parcels even though they cost a lot more than that.
Wow, for real? Feel terrible for you
thanks
I'll have to just wait and see! I was told by a girl at parcelforce that there's two weeks backlog at customs, but no one else has been able to back that claim up. The worst case scenario is it gets past another week, still doesn't arrive or update and I have to seek a refund via paypal/mastercard if Solaris don't reimburse me.
and then there's always the possible chance it may just turn up three months down the line after that and I end up with a free xrgb. I guess that'd be something - it happened with an everdrive before!
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
What kind of drugs did you buy?
I'm now in the possession of a 720p lag tester. For curiosity's sake, I decided to use it on the XRGB-3 (which is capable of handling 720p inputs, but not 1080p inputs).
From past experience with this style of lag tester, I can tell there's a margin of error of a few tenths of a millisecond; if you keep it positioned in the same sensor for long enough, the reading will fluctuate in either direction just a little bit. I've never seen it vary by more than 0.5ms, though.
Flow:
testing device -> HDMI -> HDFury2 -> VGA -> XRGB-3 (B1 mode) -> VGA -> monitor
So, I'm pretty confident in saying that the XRGB-3 has less than a single millisecond of lag when all is said and done. (Yes, it's weird that the bottom marker's reading is actually lower on the XRGB-3 than it is with a direct input. I wouldn't read too much into it though. Like I said, there's a small margin of error with this thing. The important takeaway is that the readings fall within that margin of error.)
Nice testing, good info there.
Unless I'm missing something obvious, what is the Y axis?
better than my ~700. You'll get it in about four months from now, presumably
also delete that number. anyone could use it to go onto your subscription and cancel it.
At least I still have my JVC CRT monitor:
Do you use a SCART to Component/BNC for your CRT?
Do you use a SCART to Component/BNC for your CRT?
Scart to BNC
If I want to use component on it, I have phono to BNC plugs I use (cost 99p each from eBay for a set). I never use component on it though.
If I wanted to sort of casually get into retro gaming, I about 10 old SNES games currently, should I buy an actual SNES and Genesis or buy something like the Retro Bit Trio? I have an old 24 inch Sony Trinitron flat screen to use with them, which does have component in (480i).
Get an actual Super Nintendo.
Retro RGB should get you started by comparing the different versions of the Super Nintendo. All of the versions of SNES support RGB output, but some have better image quality than others (Modded Mini > 1Chip Revisions > Original).
I'm guessing you would also need a SCART to component adapter, but you may be able to skip this step entirely and go straight to component output from the SNES. Someone who actually uses a CRT will be able to give better information than me on this.
If a SCART output is indeed the best option, this seller on ebay is the best place to get the cables. Though she doesn't have any up right now, she restocks frequently.
Perhaps not a popular suggestion for this thread but since you said casually, I would say an actual Snes (as mentioned already) and then maybe an S-video cable assuming your TV takes it. If you're not planning on doing a ton of gaming that will get you a decent image and will be the cheapest (cable-wise). If you end up playing a lot and desire a better image then you could go further into the depths of RGB.
...I'll show myself the door lol
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
There is no casually get into retro gaming. It's blood in blood out. Or so I'm told.
I got a Retropie going now. I am considering taking an old CRT TV from a friend. Will hooking up the Pie via Composite give me the authentic look (scanlines and such)?
Right now I have it hooked to my LCD and have the scanline filter enabled.
I want to start building a retro setup. I just picked up a N64 and a bunch of games.
Right now I have it hooked to my LCD and have the scanline filter enabled.
I want to start building a retro setup. I just picked up a N64 and a bunch of games.
PumpkinSpice
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Casual SNES on a Trinitron would be actual SNES, HD Retrovision cable (or S-Video if your TV supports that), and an Everdrive.
or like, just use an rgb scart cable directly into the scart socket on the trinitron if you're anywhere other than the USA.
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