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US Vice-Presidential Debates 2016 |OT| Your Big Awkward Family Reunion

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An acquaintance of mine posted this on my FB wall against Kaine:

"Stopped Iran's nuclear weapons program?! We handed them hundreds of billions of dollars and have guaranteed they will get a nuclear weapon. Delusional. Or more likely, worse, total liar."

Any one got a good response for me here? I'm not the most political guy, but I assume some of you are.

Ask them how the fuck we guaranteed they'd get a nuclear weapon? They were working towards a bomb pre-deal with no international oversight, yet now they've agree to all sorts of limitations regarding their nuclear program, and have guaranteed access to their nuclear sites by international observers.

This "guaranteed they'll get a nuclear weapon" talking point is nonsense not based in reality. And if they renege on the deal and start working towards a bomb again, all our previous options (bombing, whatever) are still available to us.

The deal is working.
 
An acquaintance of mine posted this on my FB wall against Kaine:

"Stopped Iran's nuclear weapons program?! We handed them hundreds of billions of dollars and have guaranteed they will get a nuclear weapon. Delusional. Or more likely, worse, total liar."

Any one got a good response for me here? I'm not the most political guy, but I assume some of you are.

Ask them what happened to the uranium. You know, the stuff used to make a bomb.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeeeeesss. I don't know why Pence brought up the foundation stuff when the Trump Foundation just got dinged. Such a bad move
 
Kaine isn't answering the question but he is giving the best answers about the Clinton Foundation and Trump Foundation in the whole campaign. Bar none. Full stop.
 

wwm0nkey

Member
Went to go check FB

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welp
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Sounds like canned lines and just trying to direct all questions to the same point.
That's the point

Nobody cares what the VP debate is saying. But it looks like Hillary is trying to make sure every highlight of the debate includes a mention of Trumps taxes. If every story is about Kaine refusing to shut up about taxes then every story is also mentioning Trumps taxes.

(when I turned it off it was taxes he was hammering, not Putin. Similar principle though.)
 
You'd be right if this was about defending issues. The debate is about who the American public feels is better, and feels like lied to them less. Pence may be spouting a ton of complete garbage, but he sounds completely confident and collected. Kaine sounds a bit looney.

No one is voting for best VP.
 
People saying Kaine is doing a poor job don't really understand the purpose of a VP debate. Kaine has controlled the pacing and the message of the debate. It has been all about Trump's failures, while Pence barely managed to scratch Clinton's image. This is a proxy battle. It's not about either of them looking "Presidential", this is only about attacking the opposing party's Presidential nominee.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
Pence is doing better if you glance at the debate in its current form for a few seconds before flipping the channel. Pence has a more presidential look and stature, but he's not saying anything to rebut Kaine's points beyond lightly chuckling and saying "he didn't say that." He's on the defense, and the second you realize that he's been on the defense for most of the night he stops looking so presidential.

But yeah, flipping through for 20 seconds? Absolutely Pence looks like the leader here.

In other words to the vast majority of Americans, Pence will look better. Esspecially in the 20 second news highlights.
 
Damn!

Kaine's a mad dog. He bites onto the tax and Russia things and doesn't let go. It's actually kind of working in the long term.
 
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