I don't think Kaine's interruptions were bad, but necessary. These "discussions" were pretty much just Pence filibustering the conversation and saying whatever he wanted with the moderator letting him off the hook for everything, so everytime Kaine wanted to add his input, it came across as interrupting while Pence kept going on and on. Oh well.
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US Vice-Presidential Debates 2016 |OT| Your Big Awkward Family Reunion
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AstroNut325
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I just got home from class. Is there a highlights reel?
Or you convince the other side to sabotage themselves. If enough democrat voters buy into this idiotic "Hillary is crooked" nonsense, and either stay home on Election Day or vote for one of the other two clowns, it may give him enough to win. Brexit shouldn't have happened according to almost every single poll before the vote. But a good deal of remain supporters refrained from voting because, "well we've get this in the bag right?"
orthodoxy1095
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I think the problem with his interruptions early on is that they came across as jarring. He was stammering a bit, and just seemed too on edge. Once he calmed down it seemed like he was just smoothly jabbing at Pence and that worked way better.
PhoncipleBone
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I am disappointed that Thor 2: The Dark World was not a choice in the poll.
That's not technically true. Leave was winning until Jo Cox was unfortunately murdered, and then it became more competitive, with either Remain or Leave winning depending on the pollster.
chaosblade
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Why did I look at some of the comments.
One thing I've seen there and almost everywhere full of Trump supporters is that literally everything that isn't pro-Trump is apparently democrat/liberal-biased or bought and paid for. "The fact checkers are lying! Trump(/Pence) isn't wrong! They are all biased!"
Just started watching and Pence really said "war on coal" as if it's a bad thing? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he's a climate change denier.
There is definitely a lesson of complacency to learn there, but it doesn't apply to every situation. Given the logic, every presidential candidate that won and their numbers looked good, wouldn't have because the people got cocky and sat it out.
Anyway, something I noticed while browsing debate articles, the hypocrisy I see coming from some Trump supporters is amazing, calling Kaine mean or a bully. I guess being a bully is only ok if it's against people you don't like.
EatinOlives
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I think this will fail to move the needle for Trump for two reasons:
1) Those in love with this "shoot from the hip" (aka. spout bigoted unrehearsed bullshit) style will find Pence pedestrian and boring. He's a slick-faced politician through and through. I wouldn't doubt if a good chunk of Trump supporters are actively turned off from Pence.
2) Anyone convinced Pence is reasonable while Trump isn't will still have to deal with the fact that Trump is the Presidential nominee and not Pence. Yes, we know Trump has all but said that he doesn't want to do any of the work and would just delegate everything to Pence, but it's still not a good look for anyone wanting to vote based on who talks more smoothly and "reasonable".
1) Those in love with this "shoot from the hip" (aka. spout bigoted unrehearsed bullshit) style will find Pence pedestrian and boring. He's a slick-faced politician through and through. I wouldn't doubt if a good chunk of Trump supporters are actively turned off from Pence.
2) Anyone convinced Pence is reasonable while Trump isn't will still have to deal with the fact that Trump is the Presidential nominee and not Pence. Yes, we know Trump has all but said that he doesn't want to do any of the work and would just delegate everything to Pence, but it's still not a good look for anyone wanting to vote based on who talks more smoothly and "reasonable".
KO Traveling Hobo
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This. The over-confident Hillary posts make me nervous that people aren't going to feel compelled to actually vote.
How the fuck did that happen anyway? It's bizarre Cox's murder would make people lean towards Leave.
Lord Frieza
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Brexit is nothing like this election, complacency is an issue more in midterms than Presidental, and the idea of discouraging voting doesn't usually apply to the winning side but the losing side
Even Trump doesn't believe anything from the media and reads things on the internet. He also tells his supporters not to believe anything unless it comes from him.
These people that support Trump are anti-establishment/authority. They see anybody that is outside of their circles as nothing but sheeple fooled.
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Trump has only insulted brown people. Hilary's basket of deplorables comment implies white people are at fault. You can see why Trump's supporters buy that shit.
And Kaine never for a second let anyone forget that.
I would make the distinction that they are anti-intellectual. They fucking LOVE authority. LAW AND ORDER
I feel like the "basket of deplorables" comment has never really been an issue for her favorability because the only people called out were Trump supporters.
chaosblade
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Early on, but so far the only good thing I can say about Pence is that he "sounds" good without actually saying anything. Kaine doesn't come across as strongly but at least has some merit to what he's saying.
Lol at this stuff about "basket of deplorables." It really does feel like it amounts to "but Hillary insulted white men! Trump never did THAT!"
Lol at this stuff about "basket of deplorables." It really does feel like it amounts to "but Hillary insulted white men! Trump never did THAT!"
True if it works for them and against others. The great irony is that they would fully embrace a dictator which would be everything they think they hate.
Ninja Scooter
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Trump will go scorched earth and take his base with him.
Lil'DigiOp
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But the persecution complex is what remains post election. These people have the audacity to feel persecuted over not being able to be overtly racist.
Trump presidency bubbles America over into something drastic
Clinton presidency puts her in the hotseat with a possible 60/40 split country.
PhoncipleBone
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Yeah, his ego is too big to go quietly into that good night.
Jamelle Bouie's take on the debate, which I'm largely in agreement with: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_he_was_shameless_about_denying_reality.html
I'm not sure I've ever seen a candidate flat-out lie - as in easy to check the record, not open for interpretation lie - in quite the same way and with the same consistency in one of these things.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a candidate flat-out lie - as in easy to check the record, not open for interpretation lie - in quite the same way and with the same consistency in one of these things.
I think one thing this debate puts squarely into view is how horribly fucking dangerous it is to let these GOP candidates simply skate by and 'moderate' their extreme views when pushed on to a national stage. As we've seen numerous times, just tonight, they rather straight up lie or deflect in the moment then face the scrutiny from extolling their far-right positions. All it takes is for the right candidate to come along that can adequately hide behind that veneer of charisma and we're all fucked.
Fact-checking after the fact is already too late and people simply don't care about the truth.
That's how a GW Bush gets elected with his compassionate conservative bullshit and that's probably what we may get in 2020 with someone like a Kasich (assuming he makes out of their crazy-ass primaries).
And considering how fucking dumb the majority of undecided/middle-of-the-road voters tend to be, I don't even know what an effective counter there is for that. It's scary.
Fact-checking after the fact is already too late and people simply don't care about the truth.
That's how a GW Bush gets elected with his compassionate conservative bullshit and that's probably what we may get in 2020 with someone like a Kasich (assuming he makes out of their crazy-ass primaries).
And considering how fucking dumb the majority of undecided/middle-of-the-road voters tend to be, I don't even know what an effective counter there is for that. It's scary.
Haunted
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keyword being martyr
Officerrob
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It's pretty easy to do that when you just shake your head and deny every interview and tweet from Trump has ever existed
Kaine the Harmonica Player was the opening act for Kaine the Attorney
NyMartin90
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I don't normally post in these threads (since I'm undecided and that these discussions are influenced by the sides people choose) but I couldn't agree with Kaine saying the world is safer with terrorism on the rise.
Police brutality and gun shots are more frequent than terrorist attacks.
toddhunter
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This makes sense, because Pence winning is a huge plus for Clinton.
How? Well think of it like this:
"Hmm, Trump is a total idiot but this Pence guy seems pretty level headed. I think I'll spend some time to see what he stands for and... THE FUCK IS ALL THIS SHIT?"
The more Trump deflects from the actual extremist platform of the Republican party the better they will all be.
NyMartin90
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That's true domestically in the US but I believe the question focused on foreign policy. Touting the trophy of bin laden to say the world is safer is difficult in my opinion with recent attacks in Europe and the Islamic state/ radical extremism spreading at its highest rates around the world.
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How, of all the races, is it possible to be undecided in this one?
Your party's candidate won.
What if Im not american?
I agree, Kaine interrupted a lot because Pence lied so much.
Pence said nothing to reassure america to vote for Trump. He did't defend Trump except when he lied or said he was a not a polished politician.
Pence won a pretend game of Checkers, but Kaine won the real game of fourth dimensional Chess.
Yep. Pundits are becoming the used car salesman of television news media.
Hussein disappeared more people in a year than terrorists kill, by a substantial amount going by the mass graves found. Terror attacks in Europe and e spread of radicalism is not s new phenomenon either, it has just become a story the American media covers. Terror groups used to blow up embassies with legitimately planned and organized attacks. Now they're relegated to a handful of individuals with guns, knifes, and homemade explosives.
Further, the uptick in terror attrack frequency in Europe is a direct byproduct of ISIS being knocked back on their heels and losing territory in both Iraq and Syria, leading to them activating all foreign attackers they can in hopes of getting a radical response that leads to a surge in support from the Muslim world.
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