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Valkyria Chronicles |OT| Beautiful art meets genre-redefining gameplay

Shito

Member
McBradders said:
Okay, so after my first failed mission last night, my one beef with the game came to light...

...lack of intel pre-mission. It's great to say "Oh here are some enemy camps, let's do this!" but even a very cursory idea of the terrain and even incorrect enemy troop information would prevent my blind stumble in to chaos last night. I dunno if you can do it in game once you're in a battle, but the fact I can't really get a good feel for the theater before I charge headlong in to battle is kinda... irritating.

Sending scouts out is okay, but one wrong turn can have them down to half health really, really fast. It's a minor grumble at best, the game is amazing, but I'm not looking forward to having to stumble through encounters to refine my strategies rather than doing it on the fly without extreme punishment :(
Well, it is *supposed* to be this way, or at least I like it a lot this way.
The tactical map and the intel aren't everything, and it confronts you to the fact that a strategy based on them always need to be improvised upon when on the battlefield, where things can go wrong and enemies can surprise you. Thus the need to be wary and to use scouts a lot.
This is a great positive point in my book. ^^
 

McBradders

NeoGAF: my new HOME
Shito said:
Well, it is *supposed* to be this way, or at least I like it a lot this way.
The tactical map and the intel aren't everything, and it confronts you to the fact that a strategy based on them always need to be improvised upon when on the battlefield, where things can go wrong and enemies can surprise you. Thus the need to be wary and to use scouts a lot.
This is a great positive point in my book. ^^

Well according to someone earlier, you can get an ability that lets you get a better idea... the 2D map is inadequate! ;)
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
This game couldn't have been release with a worse timing. I'm kinda interested in it after trying the demo, but it's a bit slow and from what I've seen the surroundings are somewhat empty. Still, it seems like a decent but slowpaced game.
But the fact that Far Cry 2 and Fable 2 were released recently, and both LBP and GoW2 are being released later this week (with Mirror's Edge releasing the week after) must make it a lot harder for this game. All of the mentioned games are games I'm planning to buy or have bought, so there's little to no room for Valkyria Chronicles :/
 

Shito

Member
McBradders said:
Well according to someone earlier, you can get an ability that lets you get a better idea... the 2D map is inadequate! ;)
Not really: for a loooot of xp you can get an order which lets you see the position of all the enemies on the map, at the cost of 2AP.
Doesn't change the fact that the difference between a map and the real situation *should* be different, and I really like this point in the game. :)
 

buffi

Banned
ItsInMyVeins said:
This game couldn't have been release with a worse timing. I'm kinda interested in it after trying the demo, but it's a bit slow and from what I've seen the surroundings are somewhat empty. Still, it seems like a decent but slowpaced game.
But the fact that Far Cry 2 and Fable 2 were released recently, and both LBP and GoW2 are being released later this week (with Mirror's Edge releasing the week after) must make it a lot harder for this game. All of the mentioned games are games I'm planning to buy or have bought, so there's little to no room for Valkyria Chronicles :/

You are very much wrong here.
It's the other games that are released with horrible timing.

How am I'm going to be able to play all the other good stuff that's coming right now when I only want to play Valkyria :(
 

McBradders

NeoGAF: my new HOME
Shito said:
Not really: for a loooot of xp you can get an order which lets you see the position of all the enemies on the map, at the cost of 2AP.
Doesn't change the fact that the difference between a map and the real situation *should* be different, and I really like this point in the game. :)

Ack, the high cost of corn :(

I'll train up my Snipers and try that route instead.
 

Durante

Member
buffi said:
You are very much wrong here.
It's the other games that are released with horrible timing.
This. x10

I bought Fallout 3 on the same day as VC, but only managed to put 8 hours into it compared to 25 for VC.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
buffi said:
You are very much wrong here.
It's the other games that are released with horrible timing.

How am I'm going to be able to play all the other good stuff that's coming right now when I only want to play Valkyria :(

I really want to go and pick VC up but it'd be way too hard on my economy unless I ignored one of the upcoming games. And I want them all, probably more than VC :/
 

Huggers

Member
buffi said:
You are very much wrong here.
It's the other games that are released with horrible timing.

How am I'm going to be able to play all the other good stuff that's coming right now when I only want to play Valkyria :(

THIS

Also does anyone else find one shot kills with the sniper immensly satisfying? I find myself punching the air as the said sniper celebrates the kill!
 

jorma

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The Hug Dog said:
THIS

Also does anyone else find one shot kills with the sniper immensly satisfying? I find myself punching the air as the said sniper celebrates the kill!

Agreed. Especially when you one shot a Lancer. Very fulfilling!
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
How much do you guys buy games for each month? I mean, if you can afford all these games coming out?
 

klee123

Member
ItsInMyVeins said:
How much do you guys buy games for each month? I mean, if you can afford all these games coming out?


Well, I'm actually skipping some of the bigger titles for VC. It depends on one's tastes.


I guess people like Hcoregamer00 have more limited tastes in games, thus perhaps a lot of the other games being released in this period does not interest him/her.
 

RpgN

Junior Member
ItsInMyVeins said:
How much do you guys buy games for each month? I mean, if you can afford all these games coming out?

Simple, I only bought Valkyria Chronicles on release date. As much as I want LBP etc, I don't have enough money. I always buy stuff after a pricedrop, unless it's a FF or a really good game like VC. I understand your frustration completely, It's just that l learned that all these awesome games won't disappear and that there are certain games (with smalker segment and less fans) have to have a priority. You can bet that GoW2 and R2 will sell amazing and there are sequels already planned, can you say the same about VC?
 

maskrider

Member
Shito said:
Not really: for a loooot of xp you can get an order which lets you see the position of all the enemies on the map, at the cost of 2AP.
Doesn't change the fact that the difference between a map and the real situation *should* be different, and I really like this point in the game. :)

But it is only 2CP for layout of all enemies, not a lot indeed if you play the map for the fist time. But the experience required is 50000. Ha ha !
 

buffi

Banned
ItsInMyVeins said:
How much do you guys buy games for each month? I mean, if you can afford all these games coming out?

During october-november I'm gonna end up with Dead Space, Fallout 3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet, Fable 2, Gears of War 2 and Resistance 2. Should be about $450 or so after shipping.

About 225$/month for two months doesn't sound to bad imo. Especially since the latest months has been kind of boring, and there isn't really anything coming in December.

Luckily the Mirrors Edge demo kind of sucked, so I'll save some cash there.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
buffi said:
During october-november I'm gonna end up with Dead Space, Fallout 3, Valkyria Chronicles, Little Big Planet, Fable 2, Gears of War 2 and Resistance 2.

I'm skipping Mirrors Edge, Saints Row 2 and Farcry 2 since they seem pretty "meh" imo.

I've skipped Fallout 3 and Dead Space, but bought FC2 and Fable 2. I'm planning to get Mirror's Edge (the demo was awesome), GoW2 and LBP. And you know how expensive games are here, man :)

Other than this I've picked up some PC-games too, like Sins of a Solar Empire which I haven't even had a chance to try out yet :/
 

buffi

Banned
ItsInMyVeins said:
And you know how expensive games are here, man :)

You can always import. I'm purchasing VC in Sweden though since the price didn't differ much (500kr at webhallen for an example.).
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
buffi said:
You can always import. I'm purchasing VC in Sweden though since the price didn't differ much (500kr at webhallen for an example.).

Yeah, I know, and it's because I saw that "cheap" price I'm in this thread trying to convince myself to buy the game :D
 

Vorador

Banned
I'm picking as much PC versions as i can. My PC is pretty new and can handle them well, and the games are far cheaper and usually look better.

VC i picked it up from thehut, is half the price from local stores :lol but i'm still waiting for my copy to arrive :(
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
I'd say just be wise in your investments, weigh up how much time you are going to most likely spend with such-and-such game and try to hit up the bargain shops.
 

Enron

Banned
ItsInMyVeins said:
This game couldn't have been release with a worse timing. I'm kinda interested in it after trying the demo, but it's a bit slow and from what I've seen the surroundings are somewhat empty. Still, it seems like a decent but slowpaced game.
But the fact that Far Cry 2 and Fable 2 were released recently, and both LBP and GoW2 are being released later this week (with Mirror's Edge releasing the week after) must make it a lot harder for this game. All of the mentioned games are games I'm planning to buy or have bought, so there's little to no room for Valkyria Chronicles :/

Simple: Just cut out all the crappy games (GoW2, FC2, Failble 2, and Mirrors Edge) and you'll have plenty of room and time for Valkyria!

>.>
 

ianp622

Member
RpgN said:
Simple, I only bought Valkyria Chronicles on release date. As much as I want LBP etc, I don't have enough money. I always buy stuff after a pricedrop, unless it's a FF or a really good game like VC. I understand your frustration completely, It's just that l learned that all these awesome games won't disappear and that there are certain games (with smalker segment and less fans) have to have a priority. You can bet that GoW2 and R2 will sell amazing and there are sequels already planned, can you say the same about VC?

You know you can get LBP at Circuit City and get a $15 gift card (if they still have that offer). That is, if you have a Circuit City near you. So that means LBP is only $45. Not sure if that helps enough though.
 

RpgN

Junior Member
ianp622 said:
You know you can get LBP at Circuit City and get a $15 gift card (if they still have that offer). That is, if you have a Circuit City near you. So that means LBP is only $45. Not sure if that helps enough though.

Thanks for being kind and letting me know, it's too bad that I live in Holland though :p
 

El-Suave

Member
ItsInMyVeins said:
How much do you guys buy games for each month? I mean, if you can afford all these games coming out?

I saved a few € the past few months not buying SoulCalibur, Brothers in Arms or Force Unleashed and games like that. This leaves me enough funds to buy the games I want in Oct./Nov. .
These days I don't care so much for actual lasting value but more for originality. If a game has a hook that makes me want to buy it, it goes right to the top of my "must have" list. Valkyria Chronicles has several hooks for me, that's why it's at the top of that list with the likes of LBP and Mirror's Edge.

I don't mind buying "unoriginal" games as well though - i.e. Gears 2 is a guaranteed purchase for me as well.

Edit: My copy arrived today (imported from the UK to escape our German artwork ruining rating stickers) - already installed it and will play it tonight!
 

ianp622

Member
RpgN said:
Thanks for being kind and letting me know, it's too bad that I live in Holland though :p

Oh, that sucks. Well, I'm sure living in Holland doesn't suck, but not getting LBP for $45 does.

I preordered VC on Amazon yesterday, where it's $57, and you get $10 off the purchase of another video game in the future. So it's a pretty good deal. I'm not sure what other game I'm going to get though.
 

Llyranor

Member
I'm buying all the big guns such as Gears2, L4D, LBP and Resistance 2, but that doesn't stop me from getting Valkyria and Mirror's Edge (which people would argue are less of a priority and could wait for a pricedrop, especially since they're singleplayer only). While I *could* wait, these are exactly the kind of games I want more of in the industry, so supporting day1 is a non-issue for me. Having a good job means I can afford it, and gaming is a relatively inexpensive hobby in the grand scheme of things.

Not that I throw money around wastefully. I just (generally) buy titles I'm genuinely interested, so I skip titles that may be hyped but that don't necessarily appeal to me directly, such as Fable 2 or Fallout 3.
 

buffi

Banned
Llyranor said:
Having a good job means I can afford it, and gaming is a relatively inexpensive hobby in the grand scheme of things.

Quoted for truth.
Compared to many other hobbies, gaming is inexpensive as hell.
 

itsinmyveins

Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
buffi said:
Quoted for truth.
Compared to many other hobbies, gaming is inexpensive as hell.

I dunno about that. What kinda hobbies are you guys talking about?

I mean, I usually buy games for something like USD60–120 a month (i.e. 1-2 games), but now we're getting like five awesome games in the span of two-three weeks.
 

Tempy

don't ask me for codes
ItsInMyVeins said:
This game couldn't have been release with a worse timing. I'm kinda interested in it after trying the demo, but it's a bit slow and from what I've seen the surroundings are somewhat empty. Still, it seems like a decent but slowpaced game.
But the fact that Far Cry 2 and Fable 2 were released recently, and both LBP and GoW2 are being released later this week (with Mirror's Edge releasing the week after) must make it a lot harder for this game. All of the mentioned games are games I'm planning to buy or have bought, so there's little to no room for Valkyria Chronicles :/

This time of the year is traditionally crowded. I bought/will buy the following: LBP, Fable 2, Fallout3, Motorstorm2, Dead Space, Siren, Fire Emblem DS. Maybes on Mirror's Edge, Left 4 Dead, Football Manager 2. Decided to get Gears of War 2 when it hits budget price. December and January should be very sparse, so you can buy all those games now, or in the following months if you've got more money.

Now, there better be Valkyria Chronicles doujin at Comiket75.
 

Facism

Member
Advice on snipers, if you will?

Generally, my scouts do a better job of sniping enemies than the snipers do. 2/3rds of the time their shots go wide.

Currently, they are level 7, and i've researched the 5th Accuracy improvement. They're still shyte. Alicia with an S1 snipes so much better and gets 5 shots to down an enemy (generally 2 headshots for a kill).

So at what level/Weapon upgrade do they become worthy?
 

McBradders

NeoGAF: my new HOME
Facism said:
Advice on snipers, if you will?

Generally, my scouts do a better job of sniping enemies than the snipers do. 2/3rds of the time their shots go wide.

Currently, they are level 7, and i've researched the 5th Accuracy improvement. They're still shyte. Alicia with an S1 snipes so much better and gets 5 shots to down an enemy (generally 2 headshots for a kill).

So at what level/Weapon upgrade do they become worthy?

Damn, another one of my strategies bites the dust :(
 

jorma

is now taking requests
Facism said:
Advice on snipers, if you will?

Generally, my scouts do a better job of sniping enemies than the snipers do. 2/3rds of the time their shots go wide.

Currently, they are level 7, and i've researched the 5th Accuracy improvement. They're still shyte. Alicia with an S1 snipes so much better and gets 5 shots to down an enemy (generally 2 headshots for a kill).

So at what level/Weapon upgrade do they become worthy?

My snipers were doing fairly well from level 1. 33% headshot 33% normal hit and 33% miss, scouts are'nt really even close.
Although with a scout i could probably run up to the same enemy, shoot him in the head 5 times at point blank range and then run back again. =)
 

Facism

Member
jorma said:
My snipers were doing fairly well from level 1. 33% headshot 33% normal hit and 33% miss, scouts are'nt really even close.
Although with a scout i could probably run up to the same enemy, shoot him in the head 5 times at point blank range and then run back again. =)

Heh i tried that on an enemy ace one round. Lost 2/3rds of my hp getting there, died after realising he needed 6 shots to the head to down :p
 

Durante

Member
Facism said:
Advice on snipers, if you will? [...]

So at what level/Weapon upgrade do they become worthy?
Hmm, at the point you are at I considered my snipers more than worthy already. In many situations running up to an enemy is simply not an option.

By the way, in a recent mission I had some difficulties which promted me to finally start really using Orders. For example a sniper on a tower with both the increased attack and increased accuracy orders is amazing. Add the "one more shot" potential and you can down 4 or 5 enemies in one turn.
 

KurowaSan

Member
Just got the game, but it's gonna have to wait until I finish Dead Space. At least I'm installing it right now :lol . Anyway, I didn't see it mentioned so... the game supports dts and dolby digital, but in order to get dts, just like in Dead Space, you have to uncheck the Dolby Digital option in the audio configuration of the PS3.
 

Hcoregamer00

The 'H' stands for hentai.
ItsInMyVeins said:
I dunno about that. What kinda hobbies are you guys talking about?

I mean, I usually buy games for something like USD60–120 a month (i.e. 1-2 games), but now we're getting like five awesome games in the span of two-three weeks.

Digital Photography.

Buying good lenses are so damn expensive.
 

chespace

It's not actually trolling if you don't admit it
Seeing as I'm a SRPG "fan" (although I haven't really played one since... FFTA?) and a general fan of turn-based strategy (from Nectaris and Panzer General to Jagged Alliance and beyond), it really is my duty to pick this game up.

I haven't really kept up with this game at all. Is it purely turn-based or do you do a lot of exploring of the maps in real-time and it goes turn-based when combat happens?

Is there a first-person perspective? Someone describe the strategy and/or gun porn please.

Also, when is this game coming out? Tues? Wed?

Thanks.
 

kay

Member
chespace said:
Seeing as I'm a SRPG "fan" (although I haven't really played one since... FFTA?) and a general fan of turn-based strategy (from Nectaris and Panzer General to Jagged Alliance and beyond), it really is my duty to pick this game up.

I haven't really kept up with this game at all. Is it purely turn-based or do you do a lot of exploring of the maps in real-time and it goes turn-based when combat happens?

Is there a first-person perspective? Someone describe the strategy and/or gun porn please.

Also, when is this game coming out? Tues? Wed?

Thanks.
Hard to explain, the demo should cover the basics quite well and then if you have questions after that the people who are playing it now should be able to answer them. Wednesday it is in stock as the game ships the 4th so it is unlikely stores will have it Tuesday.
 

chespace

It's not actually trolling if you don't admit it
kay said:
Hard to explain, the demo should cover the basics quite well and then if you have questions after that the people who are playing it now should be able to answer them. Wednesday it is in stock as the game ships the 4th so it is unlikely stores will have it Tuesday.

No hurry I guess.

I'll hold off on this game until spring and hopefully remember to pick it up.

I still have Warhead, Witcher, both STALKERs, Fable 2, Dead Space, and GoW2 to play, and I'm still far from finished with Fallout 3. :D
 

Durante

Member
chespace said:
Seeing as I'm a SRPG "fan" (although I haven't really played one since... FFTA?) and a general fan of turn-based strategy (from Nectaris and Panzer General to Jagged Alliance and beyond), it really is my duty to pick this game up.
Absolutely.

chespace said:
I haven't really kept up with this game at all. Is it purely turn-based or do you do a lot of exploring of the maps in real-time and it goes turn-based when combat happens?
It's structured In a book/chapter format, not too dissimilar from the usual SRPG structure but with the advantage of being able to go back to earlier parts of the story at any time.

chespace said:
Is there a first-person perspective? Someone describe the strategy and/or gun porn please
It switches between a top-down tactical view where you issue oders and select units and a third-person camera view (console shooter like) to control individual units.
The strategy is extremely varied, since you listed a few older PC games up there it may tell you something that I described it as a mixture of Panzer General (the turn-based part) and Commandos (the real-time part) earlier.


If you want to know more then read some of the reviews, the IGN one has a pretty good description of the mechanics on the second page.
 
I was so pissed because there was no way I could afford VC on my budget right now. However, I took all the old crap im not playing and don't want to Gamestop to try to get enough value for Resistance 2. Turns out they had a trade in deal going and I got WAY more back than I thought. It was just enough to fully pay off a copy of Chronicles WOOHOO. I loved the demo and I'm glad I'll be able to get this on Wednesday. I may not get started until next week though, R2 is going to take allot of my time.
 

chespace

It's not actually trolling if you don't admit it
Durante said:
Absolutely.

It's structured In a book/chapter format, not too dissimilar from the usual SRPG structure but with the advantage of being able to go back to earlier parts of the story at any time.

It switches between a top-down tactical view where you issue oders and select units and a third-person camera view (console shooter like) to control individual units.
The strategy is extremely varied, since you listed a few older PC games up there it may tell you something that I described it as a mixture of Panzer General (the turn-based part) and Commandos (the real-time part) earlier.


If you want to know more then read some of the reviews, the IGN one has a pretty good description of the mechanics on the second page.

Holy shit, did you say Commandos? Wow.

I'm off to read that IGN review.
 
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