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He was asked in an interview. What was he supposed to say?pivot said:I hate these stupid ass publicity stunt announcements. Just shut up and make games. I don't give a fuck about your opinion of them or anything related
He was asked in an interview. What was he supposed to say?pivot said:I hate these stupid ass publicity stunt announcements. Just shut up and make games. I don't give a fuck about your opinion of them or anything related
MikeE21286 said:where in the world is the L4D PS3 collection?
I guess when Valve realized that they can use steamworks on PS3, they got all giddy-up with it.RSTEIN said:I hate Sony! Er, no, I hate Microsoft! :lol
Majine said:IIRC, Sony has a policy that if a game is released on PS3 after other platforms, it has to include bonus content.
Might correct me if I'm wrong tho.
electroshockwave said:Doesn't MS already have a policy of letting DLC be free if it's free on another system? By which they probably just mean PS3 as I don't thing PCs exist according to Microsoft's game division.
pivot said:Gabe Newell's opinion != consumer opinion
Besides the fact he can be a consumer as well, this is a thread about Gabe's opinion and... I dont know what you're getting at, don't make sensepivot said:Gabe Newell's opinion != consumer opinion
That would be great for Microsoft if the 360 was the one and only option consumers have. This is not the case, even less so now that Sony actually appear to be getting their shit together in regards to this kind of thing.aeolist said:MS doesn't want customers expecting free content releases on 360 games, it sets a bad precedent for them.
Prime crotch said:Besides the fact he can be a consumer as well, this is a thread about Gabe's opinion and... I dont know what you're getting at, don't make sense
Rad- said:It was MS's plan to fight unfinished games on release. Sadly it didn't really work as companies still release their games unfinished. :lol Might as well let go of that rule now. I doubt they will though, at least not this gen.
Guevara said:Maybe our extra $10 a year for Live will cover updates?
:lol
The Praiseworthy said:So.... Gabe is now SONY fan?
stuminus3 said:In which case he's completely correct.
electroshockwave said:Doesn't MS already have a policy of letting DLC be free if it's free on another system?
Okay, he has an axe to grind. What's your point, again? Do you deny that his complaints are legitimate?pivot said:Gabe has a lot of interest in you NOT using XBLive in the very near future. Are you dense?
pivot said:I hate these stupid ass publicity stunt announcements. Just shut up and make games. I don't give a fuck about your opinion of them or anything related
Obviously with how big of a fan Valve is for paid DLC and their Steam sales.spats said:I think he's a fan of money.
If you don't play game X, why bother installing it in the first place? You don't have to install every game on your game list.speculawyer said:Well . . . bandwidth does cost money. I often wonder when Valve will change their own strategy at least a little bit. It is weird how when I log in, Steam starts updating 5 different games. Why? What if I never play game X, why bother?
But I agree that xbox live is too stingy with updates. I guess that is because they want the disc versions of the games too be good. No shipping shitty games and then fixing them later with updates since that doesn't work for the people w/o internet connections. That is something Valve does not have to contend with.
Damn, I'm going back & forth here. :lol
Darkshier said:If there is only 1 free update per game, how come I have had to download 2 500+ MB patches for Bad Company 2?
I think he's a fan of money.
pivot said:Gabe has a lot of interest in you NOT using XBLive in the very near future. Are you dense?
pivot said:Gabe has a lot of interest in you NOT using XBLive in the very near future. Are you dense?
EuropeOG said:MS needs some feel-good PR announcements already.
OldJadedGamer said:Both MS and Sony charge for patches. MS gives you the first one free but then all the rest of them are $10,000 last I heard. Sony charges each time and their patch cost is in line with MS's. It's put in place so that developers/publishers don't release an unfinished game and then patch it a thousand times... like they do on PC sometimes.
Valve could do all the updates they want, they just don't want to pay for it. Not sure how this is going to change on the PS3 as the updates still need to go through certification at Sony which costs money.
Ridiculous and the limit on free content? Come on Microsoft, I'm guessing you don't want people to develop/develop exclusively for the 360?Zenith said:Really? I had no idea they charged companies just for updates that fixed bugs.
LabouredSubterfuge said:Think harder before you call people dense. This game will also release on XBL. Therefore he wants it to sell as much as possible on both platforms.
RSTEIN said:I hate Sony! Er, no, I hate Microsoft! :lol
The hell? Why are you here?pivot said:I hate these stupid ass publicity stunt announcements. Just shut up and make games. I don't give a fuck about your opinion of them or anything related
Stumpokapow said:Sony is letting Valve port Steamworks and cert their own patches and deploy them by themselves. For free.
This is the crux of the matter. Sometimes, games get released on PC and they're junk until they get patched 50 times. Sometimes, games get released on PC and they're awesome and the developers put out patches that make them even more awesome.OldJadedGamer said:It's put in place so that developers/publishers don't release an unfinished game and then patch it a thousand times... like they do on PC sometimes.
That's the joke of it though. Publishers aren't going to wait on QA to finish bug fixing, they are going to release the product when they want to. Games now, more than ever, need more post-release title updates. All the major online multiplayer games require AT least 2-3 bug/balance patches and most could use more than that. Hell, how many did Gears of War 2 have?OldJadedGamer said:Both MS and Sony charge for patches. MS gives you the first one free but then all the rest of them are $10,000 last I heard. Sony charges each time and their patch cost is in line with MS's. It's put in place so that developers/publishers don't release an unfinished game and then patch it a thousand times... like they do on PC sometimes.
Valve could do all the updates they want, they just don't want to pay for it. Not sure how this is going to change on the PS3 as the updates still need to go through certification at Sony which costs money.
Stumpokapow said:Sony is letting Valve port Steamworks and cert their own patches and deploy them by themselves. For free.
charlequin said:And of course they allow free DLC, which Microsoft have consistently objected to.
pivot said:Oh my bad.. I didn't realize Steam was being brought to XBLive
OldJadedGamer said:I'm not sure I feel good with Valve being unchecked and patching willy nilly without Sony double checking their shit.
You'd rather not have free patches/updates?pivot said:Gabe Newell's opinion != consumer opinion
Broken, unfinished games get released on consoles about as often as they do on PCstuminus3 said:This is the crux of the matter. Sometimes, games get released on PC and they're junk until they get patched 50 times. Sometimes, games get released on PC and they're awesome and the developers put out patches that make them even more awesome.
The closed console solution to all of this seems to be "let's make this really expensive, and pass the cost on to the consumers". Which is kind of crappy on a closed platform, where the hardware is all the same and there's (apparently?) more quality control on what actually gets released on the platform in the first place.
OldJadedGamer said:And when the steamworks app needs patched? I'm not sure I feel good with Valve being unchecked and patching willy nilly without Sony double checking their shit.
:lolOldJadedGamer said:And when the steamworks app needs patched? I'm not sure I feel good with Valve being unchecked and patching willy nilly without Sony double checking their shit.
If he had any wants on what I use or not it would be over Steam; but putting your paranoia aside, you posted on a thread about a topic you proclaimed no interest over it. And yet here you are.pivot said:Gabe has a lot of interest in you NOT using XBLive in the very near future. Are you dense?
Stumpokapow said:Of course, by contrast Sony charges 16 cents a gig for bandwidth and Microsoft doesn't.