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[Wuthering_Heights]

Well, we know the EyeToy is going to be used to do a lot of the same things Kinect is doing re: THE OS, so it seems pretty essential in a lot of ways. But Sony seems to be taking the "oh you can do this too, but you don't have to" approach to designing their system, where Microsoft so far seems to be designing things with the "fuck you, you're going to do it and like it" approach, so I'm crossing my fingers I can toss EyeToy in the garbage the second I get my Ps4.



I don't find the continued ruination of the industry too amusing, Router.

The only solace I take is that the Kinect fad has already come and gone, its horrific library speaks for itself, and like Wii U there's no new factor and it won't sell systems. So I hope, if Microsoft goes this route, they flop as hard as Wii U.

That said, they'll probably try to buy their way to victory with another $500 million dollar marketing campaign and send their army of mindless low standard know nothings to defend their shitty tech on forums and on game journalist websites and we'll be stuck with another gen of developers shoehorning their unrefined gimmicks into every bulletpointed, focus and boardroom tested, MODERN AAA disaster game that exists.

Goddamn.

Well said.

 

[Amir0x]

I agree that Kinect is just disheartening because the money, time, and energy could (and should) be spent elsewhere.

It's funny because I think it's absolutely a HUGE mistake on their part.

You only get one shot at stuff like this (see: Wii and WiiU). Going back to the well again isn't really an option. Kinect strengthened the brand overall, extended the brand to people who didn't ever think about Xbox, and allowed them to milk the 360 for an additional 2 years of profit upon what they realistically thought they could.

Trying to use that as the crux for their new platform could be a disaster, when nobody cares about it anymore.

Peeps gotta learn the hard way I s'pose.

Salty.

Naturally. 360 went from being my favorite console of last gen to a comical disaster once Kinect launched and here we are with news that the new Microsoft system will damn well require one of them horrible pieces of trash tech. As someone who loves games and whose primary hobby is gaming, how couldn't I be salty?

I won't even touch all the other associated malignant news following Durango like a stinking, rotting corpse. Much has been said about it and they better damn well hope everyone is interpreting it wrong because ain't nobody going to be eating crow unless it's ALL fucking wrong. So far the major rumours about the systems have proved amazingly accurate.

 

[DopeyFish]

They've been using that Matrix stuff with alot of Durango related things.

I'm just saying it really doesn't mean anything.

it's Microsoft ATG/HG just doing random shit

won't have any connection or correlation with the retail message

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

So based on this required to HDD thing. Does that mean it's impossible for you to play a new game you bought at your buddies house on his console?

You could always bring your console to your buddies house.....

 

[shinobi602]

I'd see what they do first before deciding already.

If the next Xbox requires an internet connection, I don't see what else it can do to heavily sway my mind.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

The always on sounds more like Always "turn" on,not Always on"line"

 

[FuturusX]

Imagine if the money and effort put into refining a bad idea kinect had been used to develop say something like Occulus Rift into the next xbox...hmmm*


*I know little of the aforementioned Occulus Rift device and it's promised potential..

 

[specialguy]

Sorry, but it sounds like complete nonsense.

well, if "they" got halo 4 months before anybody, the same principles easily apply to durango software and dev kits.

that just leaves ps4 to be dubious. he would have had to have access to a ps4 kit on his travels somewhere. certainly possible.

people somewhere are playing builds of what we would know as durango and ps4 software every day.

 

[Dunlop]

It just sucks for gamers is all. Putting that Kinect in when they can use the money spent on including one with every system on enhancing aspects of the console that actually fucking matter, ya know?

A console that just plays games is not going to sell well in Tablet/Smartphone world. Handhelds are learning this, Wii-U is getting smacked down.

Times have changed the manufacturers need to adapt (I'm talking to you Nintendo)

Why the hell would you invest in a market that is doomed to shrink?

 

[XtremeXpider]

So always online required, Installs requires, Kinect required. Well thank you MS you have made my choice for me.

I will not be buying the 720 without a doubt now.

Where in the text said "online required"? even me, a non-english spoken, did read the text in the image and I understood that "always online" is not the same than "online required"

 

[Satchel]

I hope I don't need to have the disc in.

would be fucking great to just jump between games.

Also, I want to use my new Xbox as an apple tv like device with my Windows phone.

 

[Valnen]

A console that just plays games is not going to sell well in Tablet/Smartphone world.

Good thing PS4 doesn't just play games, and it also doesn't have all the horrible downsides that it sounds like 720 will have.

 

[rodvik]

this is every bit as nuts as the wink wink nudge nudge everybody is blasting about specs and such.

you do know pretty much 500 million laptops in circulation, basically all of them, have a built in camera in them right?

Yes I do. And the abuses have already started with laptops that have software installed on them by various organizations. I am happy to be paranoid when it comes to my privacy. I dont think thats nuts at all.

 

[Boss Man]

You'll still be able to play. You just won't get updates when the system is off (on in low power state), unless you're connected to the internet.

If this is the case, no one will be upset.

But I can't believe some people don't know how to put 2 and 2 together. If you combine the information we've been getting from EDGE with VGleaks and consider how accurate they've been, it's always-online DRM built right into the box.

Where in the text said "online required"? even me, a non-english spoken, did read the text in the image and I understood that "always online" is not the same than "online required"

Actually the two are exactly equivalent. If something is always online, then it is necessarily online. Whether that's poor wording ("always" online when you want it to be) or a nicer way of saying what all of the rumors have been pointing to already (it's required) is up to you for now.

 

[Router]

Doesn't the 360 already have a low power mode that kicks in when you turn it off while downloading something? Why can't they extend that on the current box to incorporate patches and the like? Is it not really a low power mode?

I have no idea what to believe about what always online / always connected means or doesn't mean, but the requirement for the Kinect to be plugged in seems very strange to me. Why would that be required?

Its a lower power mode but still nowhere near being a standby mode.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Confused as always on, always connected is not same as need internet connectivity to play games.

That is the part I really need MS to clarify at unveiling.

 

[FuturusX]

I hope I don't need to have the disc in.

would be fucking great to just jump between games.

Also, I want to use my new Xbox as an apple tv like device with my Windows phone.

But that would require tying the software to the console...meaning codes and the strong potential for no used games.

Sharing is good right? You can get up of your arse to keep the right to share alive and strong?

It's for a good cause brother!

 

[specialguy]

Imagine if the money and effort put into refining a bad idea kinect had been used to develop say something like Occulus Rift into the next xbox...hmmm*


*I know little of the aforementioned Occulus Rift device and it's promised potential..

yep. carmack directly stated ms should have bet on rift type technology instead of kinect.

rift could be a gamechanger imo.

it would be very expensive though, something that would have to be worked around in some fashion, but it may have been difficult to envision packing it in a console box. maybe as $200 add on or something...

it doesnt fit nintendo at all, but imo it's right up nintendos ally of a game changing type of technology. i could see a rift enabled console doing wii numbers, and bypassing higher specced consoles with ease, etc.

 

[Amir0x]

A console that just plays games is not going to sell well in Tablet/Smartphone world. Handhelds are learning this, Wii-U is getting smacked down.

Times have changed the manufacturers need to adapt (I'm talking to you Nintendo)

Why the hell would you invest in a market that is doomed to shrink?

Wii U doesn't just play games though. It's filled to the brim with other useless crap meant to draw in precisely the type of people you are talking about: nobody gave a shit. All sorts of programs, internet, netflix, Wii U street, Miiverse social network crap...

The thing people want is a fresh perspective and a feeling that what they're buying is a good investment. Kinect as a tech had its time in the sun, shitted out its barrel of party games and mini-game compilations and dance games, everybody blinked, played it for a year and moved the fuck on because it blew. But even if I am misinterpreting what happened, which is likely, I'm not misinterpreting that Kinect is old hat. It has no fresh factor. People know what to expect out of the tech, and trying to make commercials that say "NOW KINECT RECOGNIZES INDIVIDUAL FINGERS" is not going to sell to anyone who gives a shit. Durango needs a fresh identity.

 

[fallagin]

Hopefully used games are allowed at least. At least this rumor doesn't refer to those.

 

[Reiko]

If this is the case, no one will be upset.

But I can't believe some people don't know how to put 2 and 2 together. If you combine the information we've been getting from EDGE with VGleaks and consider how accurate they've been, it's always-online DRM built right into the box.


Actually the two are exactly equivalent. If something is always online, then it is necessarily online.

Hmmmmm...

EDIT: You took out there's a storm coming...

 

[Neuromancer]

If always online is true I'm going PS4. I learned my lesson with SimCity; an entire console based around that is going to be even more of a disaster.

 

[Shalashaska161]

The positioning of Kinect 2.0 in the marketplace absolutely baffles me.

For one, I agree that the Kinect fad has basically dwindled out like a sparkler.

Additionally, I don't see the path to upgrade for Kinect 2.0.

- For the people who had a Kinect (and probably played it for one or more games then threw it in the closet --- because god knows the software doesn't sell shit) why do they need/want Kinect 2.0? Reports seem to indicate that it will just be an enhanced version of the current technology in the Kinect 1.0, an evolution but not a revolutionary leap.

- And the core market doesn't give a damn about it.

I just don't see how Kinect 2.0 competes favorably with the current Kinect.

I'm with you in that Microsoft's strategy with Kinect makes no sense. Had they held Kinect in and launched it with Durango, they could of had a Wii sized hit on their hands. It is a really cool technology after all.

But Kinect is like the Wii mote now. People have used it, they're experienced what it can offer, and they know what the games are like. And just like Move didn't light the world on fire by being an improvement on the Wiimote, I don't see Kinect 2 implementing the world on fire either by improving on Kinect 1.

Basically unless there is some super secret hidden feature that will make everyone care about it again I don't see it having any sort of draw.

 

[Router]

The always on sounds more like Always "turn" on,not Always on"line"

Thats exactly what it means. Everyone is ignoring the paragraph explaining that and just looking at the "always on, always connected" bit.

 

[MikeE21286]

But that would require tying the software to the console...meaning codes and the strong potential for no used games.

Sharing is good right? You can get up of your arse to keep the right to share alive and strong?

It's for a good cause brother!

#TeamNotLazy

 

[Satchel]

Peeps gotta learn the hard way I s'pose.



Naturally. 360 went from being my favorite console of last gen to a comical disaster once Kinect launched and here we are with news that the new Microsoft system will damn well require one of them horrible pieces of trash tech. As someone who loves games and whose primary hobby is gaming, how couldn't I be salty?

I won't even touch all the other associated malignant news following Durango like a stinking, rotting corpse. Much has been said about it and they better damn well hope everyone is interpreting it wrong because ain't nobody going to be eating crow unless it's ALL fucking wrong. So far the major rumours about the systems have proved amazingly accurate.

I have to own up here. You and I discussed thus kind of stuff in another thread.

I was certain Kinect wouldn't be forced.

While we still don't know 100% it will be, its not looking good. While it won't affect me personally, I like Kinect. I doubt the broader market will respond well to Kinect being a requirement to operate the console.

 

[XtremeXpider]

If this is the case, no one will be upset.

But I can't believe some people don't know how to put 2 and 2 together. If you combine the information we've been getting from EDGE with VGleaks and consider how accurate they've been, it's always-online DRM built right into the box.

Or maybe edge and/or vgleaks has misunderstood words.

 

[Demon Ice]

Always online, Kinect required, installation required?


Cool, MS just saved me some money next gen. PS4 and PC all the way!!!

 

[Paches]

If always online is true I'm going PS4. I learned my lesson with SimCity; an entire console based around that is going to be even more of a disaster.

Imagine when MS shuts off the 720 servers. :lol

 

[metalslimer]

Sounds horrible Hopefully Sony gets the price right because they could clean up this holiday

 

[Hana-Bi]

Why are we treating this news as something completly new? Those "facts" are out for months.

And the reactions in this thread are identical to the reactions in those older threads, but still it seems that we just found out in which direction MS will head in the future...

 

[Dunlop]

Good thing PS4 doesn't just play games, and it also doesn't have all the horrible downsides that it sounds like 720 will have.

It's not a one is good other is bad situation as if portrayed often here

Like this gen each system will play 95% of the same games, they will both have paywalls for various features, social media, device connectivity , etc..

It will come down to which one serves your needs more

 

[XtremeXpider]

Thats exactly what it means. Everyone is ignoring the paragraph explaining that and just looking at the "always on, always connected" bit.

The vgleaks summary is a little bit "tricky"

 

[Iacobellis]

Third Console Curse.

 

[Justin_Bailey]

Hopefully used games are allowed at least. At least this rumor doesn't refer to those.

If games don't run off disc, meaning they are required to install, how can you have a used game market?

 

[DopeyFish]

Naturally. 360 went from being my favorite console of last gen to a comical disaster once Kinect launched and here we are with news that the new Microsoft system will damn well require one of them horrible pieces of trash tech. As someone who loves games and whose primary hobby is gaming, how couldn't I be salty?

I won't even touch all the other associated malignant news following Durango like a stinking, rotting corpse. Much has been said about it and they better damn well hope everyone is interpreting it wrong because ain't nobody going to be eating crow unless it's ALL fucking wrong. So far the major rumours about the systems have proved amazingly accurate.

Talk about being nonsensical. You're mad because other people are enabled to enjoying their game console?

Not everyone has such a narrow expectation or linear scope of the industry.

Why does everyone outright expect the console to be designed solely for them? In an industry of hundreds of millions of customers?

 

[specialguy]

I have to own up here. You and I discussed thus kind of stuff in another thread.

I was certain Kinect wouldn't be forced.

While we still don't know 100% it will be, its not looking good. While it won't affect me personally, I like Kinect. I doubt the broader market will respond well to Kinect being a requirement to operate the console.

the "broad" market doesnt actually give a shit at all, and/or vaguely likes kinect. it will probably be a selling point with them.

it's the core that balks at kinect.

 

[Reiko]

Third Console Curse.

MS is walking under ladders this gen. Not afraid of anything.

 

[Boss Man]

Hmmmmm...

EDIT: You took out there's a storm coming...

Haha, I didn't know if anyone would get it but opportunity is now gone.

 

[Iacobellis]

MS is walking under ladders this gen. Not afraid of anything.

They are just going to pull what Sony did in 2006. When someone as arrogant and ignorant like Steve Ballmer is your CEO, then best of luck to you.

 

[Syphon Filter]

If this is the case, no one will be upset.

But I can't believe some people don't know how to put 2 and 2 together. If you combine the information we've been getting from EDGE with VGleaks and consider how accurate they've been, it's always-online DRM built right into the box.


Actually the two are exactly equivalent. If something is always online, then it is necessarily online. Whether that's poor wording ("always" online when you want it to be) or a nicer way of saying what all of the rumors have been pointing to already (it's required) is up to you for now.

always online is not going to happen but kinect needing to be plugged is dumb and that seems like it will happen.

 

[thuway]

i actually have had a hunch throughout that the durango games shown april 26 will look better than what was shown on ps4 (well, kz4 was the only real confirmed ps4 gameplay i think)

that doesnt mean it's more powerful, but i expect durango software to be in a state of higher polish.

superdae said something like the durango games he's played are smoother than ps4 ones. i suspect thats why.

Remember that PS4 devkits have also evolved from "E Machines" calibur to beyond midrange PC's in a span of two years. I've said this sentiment before as well, Durango games will look better at the unveil because MS has uniformly provided a consistent devkit final spec.

 

[Amir0x]

I have to own up here. You and I discussed thus kind of stuff in another thread.

I was certain Kinect wouldn't be forced.

While we still don't know 100% it will be, its not looking good. While it won't affect me personally, I like Kinect. I doubt the broader market will respond well to Kinect being a requirement to operate the console.

Once long ago I predicted PS3 would be no more than $299.99. On the other hand, when Dreamcast launched I used to be on Daily Radar forums. I predicted down to the month and year when SEGA would pull out of the console industry. We win some, we lose some

This Kinect trend is just frustrating is all. I don't have any problem with new ideas in the industry if they work toward functionally making games better. That's all I want. It's why I criticized the wiimote, because so many genres were worse on the controller... and also why I praised pointer games, because they worked better. I just want tech that makes games better and is refined.

So far the only genres Kinect has done anything for are party/mini games and Dance games, and since those genres are worth less than dog shit to me, it's angering that Microsoft would waste money putting in tech that is only worthwhile for one or two genres forcing the system to surely be lesser in areas that would surely actually matter to MOST games. In other words, it's a horrendous value proposition. We're not gaining enough for what we're potentially losing.

Talk about being nonsensical. You're mad because other people are enabled to enjoying their game console?

Not everyone has such a narrow expectation or linear scope of the industry.

Why does everyone outright expect the console to be designed solely for them? In an industry of hundreds of millions of customers?

I don't have any 'narrow expectations'. I have a very simple expectation: gaming tech that is new should be better than what they came before, and its inherent value should improve more than it detracts. Kinect ruins virtually every genre that isn't dancing games and party games. If they wanted the OS voice shit, that's simple to do with a head set or a built-in area mic on the console. So because they're including this garbage bin tech in the system, areas of the console that can actually be used to improve MOST genres will have to be less by default unless Microsoft plans on charging 5 or 600 for the device.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

And so my wait for the Durango to counter it's repelling features and details with any kind of appeal continues.

Might be positively surprised by the upcoming Xbox Event considering I'm basically expecting a doomsday device.

 

[Omni]

As always, I reserve my opinion until its actually announced. Interesting to see if MS goes that route though.... Surely they'd understand that they'd alienate some fans.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Maybe Nintendo, MS and Sony all decided to see who could tank their consoles the most for next gen....


...only Sony never got the memo.

 

[specialguy]

Good thing PS4 doesn't just play games, and it also doesn't have all the horrible downsides that it sounds like 720 will have.

Such as?

It's all way too early to jump to conclusions about what console will have what DRM/features whatever.

I think they're playing off each other too. If one does something, the other may decided to follow now that it's more accepted. Similarly, there could be an element of "since you do this, we'll use it as a selling point that we dont". EG, blocking used games.

And it's a dangerous game, who's to say blocking used games wont in the end make for a console with more third party support, and thus better sales? What then? What's perceived as a horrible negative could be a positive towards market success.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Thats exactly what it means. Everyone is ignoring the paragraph explaining that and just looking at the "always on, always connected" bit.

How come so many people read "Always On" as "Always Online"
I did not see the "Always Online" word in the XDK

 

[Boss Man]

Thats exactly what it means. Everyone is ignoring the paragraph explaining that and just looking at the "always on, always connected" bit.

SimCity is an online experience because friends and stats and cities.

How come so many people read "Always On" as "Always Online"
I did not see the "Always Online" word in the XDK

Always connected, "...will always maintain a network connection."

 

[shinobi602]

How come so many people read "Always On" as "Always Online"
I did not see the "Always Online" word in the XDK

So what else does 'always on' mean? The Kinect camera is always turned on? That would be just as ridiculous.