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[NotMuhSuperman]

Is there no quick drug testing available?

None that are accurate. It could have been actual apple juice and came back positive as drugs.

 

[jacobeid]

Of course.

in the US criminals are seen as sub human animals and the WORST case the police are let off with a slap of the wrist.

I don't blame the cops.

I blame US as a nation where we've built up this culture of cops and robbers where if someone is the 'badguy' they get whatever they have coming to them (even its a minor crime or they are eventually found innocent).

Like for shame; and the most disturbing part of this is how some of the biggest proponents see themselves as law abiding good christian folk. Disgusting.

I mean, I get your point, but you should. Don't give them a free pass.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Did anyone actually read the story? Dude lied and said it was AJ... they asked him to drink it and he did. Death or jail... he made his choice.

Did you actually read what you posted?

 

[Nightwing123]

This is awful he was just 16.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

If the the law enforcements knew it was a suspicious liquid they should have confiscated it and had it tested. If someone had a gun and you wanted proof that is wasn't loaded would you tell the person to pull the trigger on themselves? There are procedures the officers should have followed but didn't cuz for some reason they wanted to be entertained.

"Hey he would know it's a real gun and stop. Both sides are wrong."

 

[Metalingus5150]

Some of ya'll think sneaking some drugs should be punished by death?
The border agents are ABSOLUTELY in the wrong and should have lost their jobs and have been charged.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Man the both sides argument truly has become a quick way to invalidate an opinion

 

[A Link to the Past]

Should people take responsibility for their actions? Absolutely. What happened here was WRONG. On BOTH sides.

When I look at situations like this, I ask myself two simple questions:

1. Could this outcome have been prevented?
2. Who/what influenced these people to make the actions they made?

I saw so many posters casting their views primarily at those law enforcement, and I really try to observe the large overview.

Sure, the kid made a mistake

The kid

The kid, emphasis kid, made a mistake

So did multiple trained adults who should know better and who did something that was actually more time consuming to check than simply using their own tech

We're looking at this as a fault of the adults because never will there be a child who should be held to equal standards to a trained professional

 

[TAJ]

They didn't make him drink it. The kid probably thought he would be safe with just a sip

"But Your Honor, I didn't force her to have sex with me. I just showed her a gun and my dick and told her 'It's this or this.'.

 

[pigeon]

None that are accurate. It could have been actual apple juice and came back positive as drugs.

Let's offer this kid the choice between potentially getting jailed on a false positive and potentially dying immediately and see what he chooses.

Oh, we can't, because the cops killed him rather than offer him the choice!

 

[keuja]

No disciplinary actions? They should rot in jail for murder.

 

[A Link to the Past]

They didn't make him drink it. The kid probably thought he would be safe with just a sip

He's a child in a frightening situation. He may have thought it was safe to do that, he may also have had no idea, or just been so frightened that he didn't know what to do.

The adults however knew what they were doing. They did something that had a reasonable chance to cause death and, wouldn't you know it, it did!

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

This is not the time to call a young man's bluff. That is not the way to call his bluff, either.

Take the liquid. Test it. Simple as that. Jesus Christ.

Its when cops act like fuckheads drunk off power...

Thats when stupid shit happens.

 

[ponpo]

None that are accurate. It could have been actual apple juice and came back positive as drugs.

But they have to have SOME kind of reliable test. They don't force everyone who smuggles drugs over the border to use some to prove that it is or isn't drugs, do they?

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Should have tested the drink before the terrible death.

The law enforcement officers completely forgot their training and/or lacked common sense to ask for a simple test kit.

 

[finowns]

"But Your Honor, I didn't force her to have sex with me. I just showed her a gun and my dick and told her 'It's this or this.'.

Oh I didn't read they pulled out a gun and threatened him, my mistake.

 

[MegaMelon]

Authority figures can make people do crazy things, even things they wouldn't rationally think of doing. See the Milgram Experiment if you want to read more about this topic.

Also people are forgetting this is a 16 year old. Kids do dumb stuff all the time. I want to say the officers involved will be held accountable but-

-America

-yeaah not happening. RIP.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Agents who asked him to drink the liquid: really fucking stupid.

He who decided to smuggle in liquid meth and drink it: really fucking stupid.

Extremely unfortunate that the kid is the only one who paid a price. But jesus, you drank a liquidized meth... and fuck the agents who said, "I really don't want to have to deal with this. Let's just have him drink the shit. Good enough, right?"

smh

 

[Dyle]

After they said drink it to prove wrong at that point wouldn't you just come clean?

Why does that matter? The problem isn't what the kid did, it's what the border agents did. They asked him to incriminate himself by drinking it rather than taking the proper protocol and letting the evidence speak for itself. That's the entire reason we have the fifth amendment, to stop these situations

 

[jacobeid]

Should have tested the drink before the terrible death.

The law enforcement officers completely forgot their training and/or lacked common sense to ask for a simple test kit.

Both of those scenarios are equally likely, but I'm going with the latter mixed with a bit of sociopathy.

 

[Seth Enosh]

This is something that is relatively common in other security screening contexts. Usually the security officer is challenging someone who actually is carrying real milk or juice or whatever, they drink it, and everything is fine.

This case really calls into question that whole practice. Awful results and it seems clear a child can't be trusted not to risk killing themselves with some drugs.

 

[ponpo]

Oh I didn't read they pulled out a gun and threatened him, my mistake.

You can say the kid's actions were dumb all you want but at least admit that border patrol, if suspecting something of being a drug, should not be asking someone to ingest said thing.

This is something that is relatively common in other security screening contexts. Usually the security officer is challenging someone who actually is carrying real milk or juice or whatever, they drink it, and everything is fine.

This case really calls into question that whole practice. Awful results and it seems clear a child can't be trusted not to risk killing themselves with some drugs.

Like where? I've never seen it before so news to me. "That's not cocaine that's sugar" "okay snort this in front of me"

 

[rjinaz]

Jesus. They really are less than human to these people.

 

[JaseC]

But they have to have SOME kind of reliable test. They don't force everyone who smuggles drugs over the border to use some to prove that it is or isn't drugs, do they?

I'd imagine he's being facetious. If the tests weren't even remotely reliable, they wouldn't be used.

Late edit: Or not.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I love how people have trained border agents on the same maturity level as a sixteen year old. It was just a prank, bro.

 

[Shiggy]

Happened to me at the Beijing train station, everyone is made to take a few sips from their bottles to show that its nothing dangerous. They probably don't expect you to drink it if it is toxic.

 

[Pluto]

Disgusting! They knew it wasn't apple juice otherwise there'd be no reason for him to prove it, these people belong in prison.

 

[TAJ]

Oh I didn't read they pulled out a gun and threatened him, my mistake.

Wow.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Authority figures can make people do crazy things, even things they wouldn't rationally think of doing. See the Milgram Experiment if you want to read more about this topic.

Also people are forgetting this is a 16 year old. Kids do dumb stuff all the time. I want to say the officers involved will be held accountable but-

-America

-yeaah not happening. RIP.

America.

Where black and brown people are expected to act like perfect adults from age 10 and onward and white people from 30-71 are still allowed to act like children.

 

[finowns]

You can say the kid's actions were dumb all you want but at least admit that border patrol, if suspecting something of being a drug, should not be asking someone to ingest said thing.

Sure, I will admit that.

 

[Sulik2]

I really am starting to hate this country.

 

[ponpo]

Happened to me at the Beijing train station, everyone is made to take a few sips from their bottles to show that its nothing dangerous. They probably don't expect you to drink it if it is toxic.

Do they? One could argue if it is a regular practice then people would be using different smuggling methods. I don't cross borders that often but have never seen something similar.

 

[babyshaq90]

This is not the time to call a young man's bluff. That is not the way to call his bluff, either.

Take the liquid. Test it. Simple as that. Jesus Christ.

This. Why they didn't test is incredible. If they suspect such a thing they need to confiscate, test it and then deal with the person after the fact. I would imagine they have such tools available at the border since they know people will try to smuggle stuff across.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Happened to me at the Beijing train station, everyone is made to take a few sips from their bottles to show that its nothing dangerous. They probably don't expect you to drink it if it is toxic.

When our standards of behavior are being compared to those of the Chinese government, you know we've fucked up.

 

[Shiggy]

Do they? One could argue if it is a regular practice then people would be using different smuggling methods. I don't cross borders that often but have never seen something similar.

I was a bit perplexed when they asked me to, I already thought they wanted me to throw it away. So I just took a few sips as everyone else with a bottle and it seemed fine.

 

[boredandlazy]

Testing if a substance is meth doesn't take that long. You can do a 5 minute swab on someone during a traffic test to see if they're DUI for fucks sake.
Disgusting degenerates trying to justify this in here.

 

[Ogodei]

Purge ICE and CBP, i'm telling you. Pass a law to authorize the army to take over CBP's duties temporarily while the agency is restaffed with no sociopaths. The country can go a year or three without ICE while we restaff.

 

[TAJ]

I wonder how often they ask suspects to eat or drink evidence that they don't suspect of being deadly. I'm guessing never.

 

[Seth Enosh]

Like where? I've never seen it before so news to me. "That's not cocaine that's sugar" "okay snort this in front of me"

I'm pretty sure I've heard of the TSA doing this in the past (before the full liquid ban). I also saw people on another forum saying this happened to them when bringing drinks into a courthouse.

Some googling suggests it's not that common though since I can't find anything about it. Just weird stories about people getting trashed by voluntarily chugging liquor they couldn't carry through airport security.

Here's one anecdote http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/prac...sues/442245-unmarked-water-bottles-no-no.html

However, when I visited the Washington Monument last year with my bottle, at the security checkpoint I was asked to take a swig!​

Quite old though...

 

[NotMuhSuperman]

But they have to have SOME kind of reliable test.

They don't have a reliable field test. You can send it to the lab and get it reliably tested but that takes months. People have gone to jail because their kitty litter trunk air freshener came back positive as cocaine in a field test. And they take the plea deal because the prison sentence is shorter than the wait for a lab analysis.

 

[Nabs]

Did anyone actually read the story? Dude lied and said it was AJ... they asked him to drink it and he did. Death or jail... he made his choice.

This post is wild.

 

[Prinz Eugn]

I remember back in the day my parents smuggled some vodka onto a cruise ship in water bottles, and the security people had my dad drink some to prove it wasn't something more malicious.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

You can say the kid's actions were dumb all you want but at least admit that border patrol, if suspecting something of being a drug, should not be asking someone to ingest said thing.



Like where? I've never seen it before so news to me. "That's not cocaine that's sugar" "okay snort this in front of me"

I remember reading a story about a mother being forced to drink breast milk at a TSA checkpoint.

It's not exactly unheard of

 

[mreddie]

If you knew they were drugs, you should I don't know, TESTED THEM!

 

[jstripes]

The border agents played a stupid game of chicken with him and he lost.

I mean, what they encouraged was fucked up, but he voluntarily drank it.

He has my sympathy, but this is one of those cases where there is no innocent party.

 

[ponpo]

I'm pretty sure I've heard of the TSA doing this in the past (before the full liquid ban). I also saw people on another forum saying this happened to them when bringing drinks into a courthouse.

Some googling suggests it's not that common though since I can't find anything about it. Just weird stories about people getting trashed by voluntarily chugging liquor they couldn't carry through airport security.

Here's one anecdote http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/prac...sues/442245-unmarked-water-bottles-no-no.html

However, when I visited the Washington Monument last year with my bottle, at the security checkpoint I was asked to take a swig!​

Quite old though...

I remember reading a story about a mother being forced to drink breast milk at a TSA checkpoint.

It's not exactly unheard of

Honestly just guessing, it probably is a quicker and semi-reliable method in most cases because presumably most people wouldn't voluntarily ingest lethal amounts of shit when asked to. It's probably a common practice everywhere.

However at a border I think an exception can be made since I'm sure border patrol is aware of how many people are just being used as drug mules and don't know what the heck they are carrying with them. A bit different than a guy bringing something for himself into a baseball stadium or whatever.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Geezuz fuck..

 

[17 Seconds]

Why would a 16 year old have meth?

the same reason he did have meth?

 

[krazen]

I remember reading a story about a mother being forced to drink breast milk at a TSA checkpoint.

It's not exactly unheard of

It was brought up in a negative context though, not on a "This is a viable way to test for dangerous substances, force the accused to drink it", LOL

 

[rjinaz]

The border agents played a stupid game of chicken with him and he lost.

I mean, what they encouraged was fucked up, but he voluntarily drank it.

He has my sympathy, but this is one of those cases where there is no innocent party.

Yes there is. He's a kid. You don't ask a kid, who's mind isn't fully developed, to drink poison to try and get them to chicken out.