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[MightyHedgehog]

Nice! Will easily exceed the $1.5M level of design they mention, as well, this thing will be on all modern computer platforms (not including mobile OS, but I'm sure that's an inevitability). Great job, KickStarters, I love you all.

 

[Sentenza]

I'm still hoping for them to reach or exceed the 2 millions. That would probably boost the production value by a good amount.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

I hope this hits 2 million in the next 2 weeks. It is a gooooooood time to be a fan of classic gaming.

 

[Wiktor]

Yeah, Westwood developed Tactics. Every single time it breaks my heart seeing what it could've been.

No, it was Micro Forte that developed tactics. Great spin-off though.

A lot of ex-Micro Forte guys are now at Irrational's australia branch

 

[dejan]

"At $1.25 million, the money will go primarily into making the world bigger, adding more maps, more divergent stories and even more music."

Looks like we've made it there! Now onwards to $1.5 million!

Choo choo ... no stopping now.

 

[superdeluxe]

1,250,816

 

[DiscoJer]

From the WL2 blog, this interesting snippet

One friend of mine who worked with me there said recently he felt that in the beginning of the industry all the nerds were in charge, but then as the industry grew it changed, and now the guys that picked on the nerds got back on top. I think there was some great truth to that.

I really do think that explains a lot...

 

[Xater]

So this hit the next milestone? Awesome! Now I really want to see this get to 1.5 million and beyond.

 

[mclem]

I hope this hits 2 million in the next 2 weeks. It is a gooooooood time to be a fan of classic gaming.

I don't think it will. We're at the stage now where DFA slowed down a *lot*.

That said, I do think it will surpass 2M in the end (and I'm playing a hunch which suggests it'll gain a further 300k in the final 24 hours). Just not that rapidly.

 

[Sentenza]

Anyway, this Fargo Kickstarter and the recent Fallout Post-mortem from Tim Cain at GDC had me thinking...
How is it that broadly loved and missed games from the past requires such a low budget (relatively speaking) and yet there's no one trying to ride that wave today?

Let's take Paradox, for instance: they keep boasting about how well their business are going with their games' sales and Gamersgate.
What's preventing Paradox from investing, let's say, from 2 to 5 millions to make their own Baldur's Gate-like?

It wouldn't even be such a bold risk for them, compared to their traditional model.
In fact, if you would compare it their strategic games it would be almost like entering in the "mainstream" market.

 

[subversus]

Paradox churn out their games in a very timely fashion. an RPG like that will take 2 years to make.

 

[Sentenza]

Paradox churn out their games in a very timely fashion. an RPG like that will take 2 years to make.

Well, but costs are that high cause they take in consideration the development time already.
Once you can afford to pay your employees for all the time they work on the game and then have a (most likely) profitable product in the end, it shouldn't make any difference.

 

[duckroll]

Well, but costs are that high cause they take in consideration the development time already.
Once you can afford to pay your employees for all the time they work on the game and then have a (most likely) profitable product in the end, it shouldn't make any difference.

Maybe they're just not interested in making a RPG like that? Have you considered that?

 

[Sentenza]

Maybe they're just not interested in making a RPG like that? Have you considered that?

Sure, that's the most obvious answer. I just wonder why.
They are obviously trying to branch out, and yet they are doing it with productions that seem to have far less potential to succeed.

 

[robin2]

About the "why no one makes these games anymore?", I've come to believe that publishers want to invest (other than "minimal investment") on things with the potential to expand their audience.

(I think for example that Dragon Age 2 was born also cause of this "logic", EA saw -in their eyes- that DA:O could't do it and conversely it could even shrink).

 

[Wiktor]

Anyway, this Fargo Kickstarter and the recent Fallout Post-mortem from Tim Cain at GDC had me thinking...
How is it that broadly loved and missed games from the past requires such a low budget (relatively speaking) and yet there's no one trying to ride that wave today?

Let's take Paradox, for instance: they keep boasting about how well their business are going with their games' sales and Gamersgate.
What's preventing Paradox from investing, let's say, from 2 to 5 millions to make their own Baldur's Gate-like?

It wouldn't even be such a bold risk for them, compared to their traditional model.
In fact, if you would compare it their strategic games it would be almost like entering in the "mainstream" market.

Up untill recently such budget was way out of their reach. Now it's changing slowly and that's why you see them making Cartel and Naval Warfare. As well as Cities in Motion. Those are all attempts to bring back old game types. I'm sure sooner or later they will also make RPG.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

It's still doing around $2k/hr right now.

At $2 million, they get Ron Perlman to be The Narrator?

I might upgrade to the $100 CE if they hit $2 million for the miniature and the 2 parts of the novella.

 

[Pachterballs]

It's still doing around $2k/hr right now.

At $2 million, they get Ron Perlman to be The Narrator?

I might upgrade to the $100 CE if they hit $2 million for the miniature and the 2 parts of the novella.

No to Ron Perlman. That's fallout. and still is fallout.



Tim Cain just said FO took 3.5 years to do :O

 

[duckroll]

Get Mel Gibson or John Travolta.

 

[Zeliard]

I want more post-mortems. MOAR. The Tim Cain/Fallout one was fascinating. I wish more devs did that sort of thing.

 

[subversus]

just found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYmQyHl2bc

I would love a game which would allow you to switch between first person and isometric views. They had the engine...

 

[Unknown Soldier]

No to Ron Perlman. That's fallout. and still is fallout.

Wasteland is Fallout's spiritual predecessor, and now that Fallout is in the hands of Bethesda W2 is the closest we'll ever get to a real successor to Fallout 1/2. So Yes to Ron Perlman.

 

[Zeliard]

Tim Cain just said FO took 3.5 years to do :O

It had a super-messy development as Cain noted, plus they had to build the engine, create the art assets, etc basically from scratch. Fallout 2 was developed incredibly quickly - being released only a year after Fallout 1 - because they pretty much already had everything.

 

[subversus]

by the way was anyone to complete FO2 with 1 in strength? I have made a mistake, should have maxed out my outdoorsman skill....

 

[Sentenza]

I would love a game which would allow you to switch between first person and isometric views. They had the engine...

Uhm, isn't that what Dragon Age: Origins did (except it was third person instead of first).
And in fact I would say that the game did quite well, in terms of camera and graphics (even if a bit more zoomout would be appreciated).

Anyway, I still think that they should look at RTS games to nail how to handle isometric view in a modern engine.

 

[Truant]

It would be cool if one of the major Engine developers donated an engine license to this project. Would save them a lot of time and money. Crytek, looking at you!

 

[Wiktor]

just found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYmQyHl2bc

I would love a game which would allow you to switch between first person and isometric views. They had the engine...

I hate watching this video. It's been six years since I saw it for the first time. I've seen it countless times since then and every damn time I do a small part of me dies

 

[dude]

just found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYmQyHl2bc

I would love a game which would allow you to switch between first person and isometric views. They had the engine...

I really rather they have no first person view at all.

 

[subversus]

I really rather they have no first person view at all.

it's nice to hate options

 

[Zeliard]

Troika's death was incredibly unfortunate. That was the beginning of the end right there, outside of some notable examples. Maybe Kickstarter will now mark a new beginning of sorts.

Anyone know what the rough budget on a game like ToEE was?

 

[dude]

it's nice to hate options

It would mean that they have to make the assets much more detailed and arrange the area so that they'll look good in first person view. The first is wasteful and the second will just move them away from focusing on a great isometric experience.
I don't understand how would this option add anything to the game...

 

[Bomber Bob]

It would be cool if one of the major Engine developers donated an engine license to this project. Would save them a lot of time and money.

yeah right for charity

 

[akira28]

Yeah, that would be great for another game. The swap to 1st person and isometric is snazzy, but it really doesn't fit with Wasteland's 4-7 person party setup. I'm not against a top down/isometric combat swap though.

 

[duckroll]

It would be cool if one of the major Engine developers donated an engine license to this project. Would save them a lot of time and money. Crytek, looking at you!

The president of the biggest engine developer already gave $10,000 to Wasteland 2 out of his own pocket.

 

[akira28]

The president of the biggest engine developer already gave $10,000 to Wasteland 2 out of his own pocket.

So what does he want? A medal? A statue or something?

 

[subversus]

So what does he want? A medal? A statue or something?

a good game to be produced?

 

[DaBuddaDa]

So what does he want? A medal? A statue or something?

It was Mike Capps, President of Epic Games. I assume he donated because he wants to play Wasteland 2

 

[Pachterballs]

Yeah. He also later tweeted that maybe BF could do WL2 in Unreal. *lol.

still, mike capps could probably fund the whole project with interest from his holdings in maybe oh, a couple days?


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just finished the tim caine Fallout talk and that was amazing - so much insight towards that game; the process, the tech. And it happened in 2012 took. The timing couldn't be better for interest in wasteland2.

 

[mclem]

So what does he want? A medal? A statue or something?

He gets both those already.

 

[epmode]

thatsthejoke.jpg

 

[Wiktor]

I really like how in kickstarter projects so many of the high donators are other developers.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Fargo any way added his $100k after the pledging ends? No matter how much money they gather (say 2.5 mil) he would still add 100 000$ to it.

 

[First Name]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Fargo any way added his $100k after the pledging ends? No matter how much money they gather (say 2.5 mil) he would still add 100 000$ to it.

definitely wouldn't surprise me if he did.

 

[Emitan]

Off topic, but I decided to install Fallout Tactics off of my Fallout Trilogy collection and I noticed that FO1+2's widescreen and fan patches are included on the disk. Neato.

 

[Portugeezer]

Slowly but surely it keeps increasing. Hope they get 2 million at least.

 

[Anticitizen One]

At $2 million, they get Ron Perlman to be The Narrator?

At $3 million Liam Neeson gets cast as your father

 

[charlequin]

Anyway, this Fargo Kickstarter and the recent Fallout Post-mortem from Tim Cain at GDC had me thinking...
How is it that broadly loved and missed games from the past requires such a low budget (relatively speaking) and yet there's no one trying to ride that wave today?

I think distribution was honestly the biggest barrier, and that's why we're starting to see a revival of these sorts of things today. It's slow because $5m is still actually a lot of money to spend on a completely speculative project and it's only really in the last year or two that PC digital distribution has really hit the level of consistency, ubiquity, and mindshare to start thinking about this stuff seriously.

What's preventing Paradox from investing, let's say, from 2 to 5 millions to make their own Baldur's Gate-like?

Baldur's Gate II, at least, I'm pretty sure was closer to the $10-15m range.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

At $3 million Liam Neeson gets cast as your father

Now I know you're trolling.

 

[MrCunningham]

Get Mel Gibson or John Travolta.

Personally, I was thinking Patrick Stewart for ultimate geek cred. Plus he has an awesome narrator voice.

Funding has definitely slowed down though, but it is still crawling at a good pace. I could see it reaching just a little over 2 million at the end.

 

[Power Glove]

Wasteland is Fallout's spiritual predecessor, and now that Fallout is in the hands of Bethesda W2 is the closest we'll ever get to a real successor to Fallout 1/2. So Yes to Ron Perlman.

I say as a compromise they get Logan Cunningham. He did a stellar job narrating Bastion.